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Media Create Sales: Oct 19-25, 2009
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JoshuaJSlone
Member
Pristine_Condition said:
"Dead at the age of 3..."
Chris1964 said:
So legs means only stability? If the PS3's bump stays ahead of the Wii for many more weeks will it always have worse legs because of its much stronger first week? That's generally not how people use it when referring to software -- they usually mean 'selling well for an extended period of time'.
PS3 (after slim)
151.783
55.344
51.055
39.960
37.538
30.896
30.231
29.977
WII (after price cut)
35.392
30.741
29.965
25.917
PS3 has stabilized its sales the last three weeks. If you see the whole picture Wii has sold way less units but has showed bigger stability, from first to last week.
Anyway, this argument is silly since we are talking about hardware legs.
151.783
55.344
51.055
39.960
37.538
30.896
30.231
29.977
WII (after price cut)
35.392
30.741
29.965
25.917
PS3 has stabilized its sales the last three weeks. If you see the whole picture Wii has sold way less units but has showed bigger stability, from first to last week.
Anyway, this argument is silly since we are talking about hardware legs.
MirageDwarf
Member
This is current sales thread so posting it here. Somebody might be interested in this number.
http://www.reuters.com/article/tech...091030?pageNumber=2&virtualBrandChannel=11604
http://www.reuters.com/article/tech...091030?pageNumber=2&virtualBrandChannel=11604
JoshuaJSlone
Member
It's not like there's a formal definition, but in general I'd say something having legs is the opposite of something being frontloaded. It's easier to see this with software, though, as it usually hits a negligible point pretty shortly and we can confidently say "Title X sold 60% of its total in the first week" or whatever.
Next week releases (05/11/09)
[NDS] Summon Night X: Tears Crown (Namco Bandai)
[NDS] Tamagotchi no Narikiri Channel (Namco Bandai)
[NDS] Sakura Note: Imanitsu na Garu Mirai (Marvelous Entertainment)
[NDS] Rika-Chan DS Motto! Onna no Ko Lesson: Oshare Oshigoto Otetsudai Daisuki! (Takara Tomy)
[NDS] 5-Kyuu kara 1-Kyuu Zenkyuu Taiou: Saishin Kakomondai - 2-Ji Shiken Taisaku - Eiken Kanzenhan (IE Institute)
[NDS] Tsunagete! Pipe Mania (Creative Core)
[NDS] WireWay (Konami)
[PSP] Minna no Navi (Zenrin)
[PSP] Colin McRae Dirt 2 (Codemasters)
[PSP] NBA Live 10 (Electronic Arts Victor)
[PSP] Metal Gear Solid: Portable Ops (Konami Dendou Selection) (Konami)
[PSP] Valhalla Knights 2: Battle Stance (PSP the Best) (Marvelous Entertainment)
[PSP] Suikoden I + II (Konami the Best) (Konami)
[PSP] Naruto: Narutimate Hero Portable (PSP the Best) (Namco Bandai)
[WII] Mario & Sonic at the Olympic Winter Games (Nintendo)
[WII] Dragon Ball Z: Budokai Tenkaichi 3 (Welcome Price 3800) (Namco Bandai)
[WII] One Piece: Unlimited Adventure (Welcome Price 3800) (Namco Bandai)
[WII] Aim!! Fishing Master (Hudson the Best) (Hudson)
[PS3] World Soccer Winning Eleven 2010 (Konami)
[PS3] 3D Dot Game Heroes (From Software)
[PS3] Infamous (SCE)
[PS3] Colin McRae: Dirt 2 (Codemasters)
[PS3] NBA Live 10 (Electronic Arts Victor)
[360] World Soccer Winning Eleven 2010 (Konami)
[360] Tayutama: Kiss on my Deity (5pb.)
[360] Namco Museum: Virtual Arcade (Namco Bandai)
[360] Colin McRae: Dirt 2 (Codemasters)
[360] NBA Live 10 (Electronic Arts Victor)
[360] Fallout 3 (Platinum Collection) (Bethesda Softworks)
[PS2] Metal Gear Solid 3: Snake Eater (Konami Dendou Selection) (Konami)
[NDS] Summon Night X: Tears Crown (Namco Bandai)
[NDS] Tamagotchi no Narikiri Channel (Namco Bandai)
[NDS] Sakura Note: Imanitsu na Garu Mirai (Marvelous Entertainment)
[NDS] Rika-Chan DS Motto! Onna no Ko Lesson: Oshare Oshigoto Otetsudai Daisuki! (Takara Tomy)
[NDS] 5-Kyuu kara 1-Kyuu Zenkyuu Taiou: Saishin Kakomondai - 2-Ji Shiken Taisaku - Eiken Kanzenhan (IE Institute)
[NDS] Tsunagete! Pipe Mania (Creative Core)
[NDS] WireWay (Konami)
[PSP] Minna no Navi (Zenrin)
[PSP] Colin McRae Dirt 2 (Codemasters)
[PSP] NBA Live 10 (Electronic Arts Victor)
[PSP] Metal Gear Solid: Portable Ops (Konami Dendou Selection) (Konami)
[PSP] Valhalla Knights 2: Battle Stance (PSP the Best) (Marvelous Entertainment)
[PSP] Suikoden I + II (Konami the Best) (Konami)
[PSP] Naruto: Narutimate Hero Portable (PSP the Best) (Namco Bandai)
[WII] Mario & Sonic at the Olympic Winter Games (Nintendo)
[WII] Dragon Ball Z: Budokai Tenkaichi 3 (Welcome Price 3800) (Namco Bandai)
[WII] One Piece: Unlimited Adventure (Welcome Price 3800) (Namco Bandai)
[WII] Aim!! Fishing Master (Hudson the Best) (Hudson)
[PS3] World Soccer Winning Eleven 2010 (Konami)
[PS3] 3D Dot Game Heroes (From Software)
[PS3] Infamous (SCE)
[PS3] Colin McRae: Dirt 2 (Codemasters)
[PS3] NBA Live 10 (Electronic Arts Victor)
[360] World Soccer Winning Eleven 2010 (Konami)
[360] Tayutama: Kiss on my Deity (5pb.)
[360] Namco Museum: Virtual Arcade (Namco Bandai)
[360] Colin McRae: Dirt 2 (Codemasters)
[360] NBA Live 10 (Electronic Arts Victor)
[360] Fallout 3 (Platinum Collection) (Bethesda Softworks)
[PS2] Metal Gear Solid 3: Snake Eater (Konami Dendou Selection) (Konami)
Liabe Brave
Member
Wii for two weeks, then PS3 in the last. Using legs to mean "retention of last week's numbers" is possible, but has many statistical drawbacks. For example, here's the legs for PS3 after Slim by that definition:Chris1964 said:
Code:
Week Units Legs
1 151783 14,594.5%
2 55344 36.5%
3 51055 92.3%
4 39960 78.3%
5 37538 93.9%The best definition of legs is "retention of first week units". This is trivially simple for initial launches; for inflection points (re-release, ad push, new colors or designs, price cut, etc.) you have to establish a "first week" by subtracting the previous baseline. For price cuts, this will typically be the last number before announcement of the reduction. The PS3 did 5,944 that week, so:
Code:
Week Units Legs
1 145839
2 49400 33.9%
3 45111 30.9%
4 34016 23.3%
5 31594 21.7%I hope you can see the advantages of this different approach.
Kurosaki Ichigo
Member
Good timing, I'm thinking the next prediction set should have: WE2010 PS3, Mario & Sonic, 3D Dot Game Heroes and Summon Night X. Is it ok? (the rest seem pretty minor, WE2009 360 didn't hit 10k for example). Also, so it doesn't interfere with the common thread pattern, it'd be best to end them just before the Famitsu leak comes out.Chris1964 said:
It still assumes pre-1st-week sales are "normal". When you deal with depletion of old stock, (public knowledge of) a price-drop, (public knowledge of) a redesign, that is not the case. In those situations people hold off deliberately, or they can't find one, reducing week 0, inflating week 1, which leads to devaluation under your idea of "legs".Liabe Brave said:
This is all very academic without producing a whole lot of insight.
If you include Summon Night maybe you should include Tamagotchi too. According to Media Create it is:Kurosaki Ichigo said:
[NDS] Summon Night: Twin Age (Banpresto) |30/08/07| - 27.692 / 49.536
[NDS] Summon Night (Banpresto) |24/04/08| - 37.856 / 62.859 (until 28/12/08)
[NDS] Summon Night 2 (Banpresto) |07/08/08| - 29.715 / 49.038 (until 28/12/08)
[NDS] Tamagotchi Connection: Corner Shop (Bandai) |15/09/05| - 150.072 / 1.115.417
[NDS] Tamagotchi Connection: Corner Shop 2 (Namco Bandai) |27/07/06| - 192.458 / 810.864
[NDS] Tamagotchi's Splendid Rainbow-Venture (Namco Bandai) |29/03/07| - 44.250 / 157.004
[NDS] Tamagotchi Connection: Corner Shop 3 (Namco Bandai) |27/09/07| - 53.915 / 279.337
[NDS] Tamagotchi Kira Kira Omisecchi (Namco Bandai) |27/11/08| - 25.351 / 159.827 (until 28/12/08)
Tamagotchi series have declined after the first two releases and the last one had a low first week but it came out at a full of releases period.
So, any ideas as to how many games will sell 1 Million units or more within the 2009 period using Famitsu charts?
So far, we have just 4 games: Pokemon HGSS, DQIX, Tomodachi Collection, and Wii Sports Resort. MHP2G is sure to get there before the end of the year, while MH3 is still up in the air. Wii Fit Plus, NSMB Wii and FFXIII are guaranteed to get there as well. If MH3 doesn't make it, then we have 8 for the year, 9 if you separate the two versions of Pokemon. Am I missing anything?
2008: 8 titles
2007: 10 titles (9: Pokemon Mystery Dungeon)
2006: 9 titles (10: Pokemon DP)
2005: 3 titles
2004: 5 titles (6: Pokemon FRLG)
2003: 4 titles
2002: 3 titles (4: Pokemon RuSa)
2001: 4 titles
2000: 5 titles (6: Pokemon GS)
Basically, 2009 can tie with 2007 and 2006 as record years if we separate Pokemon and if MH3 makes it this year (2007 has Pokemon Mystery Dungeon in the top 10, but splitting the two causes them both to fall below 1 Million). The question is whether I have forgotten any other potential candidates for this year that can help make 2009 a record year for million sellers in Japan. Furthermore, I'm sure some would call into doubt FFXIII's ability to sell 1 Million with its release date so close to the end of the year, but I think it can do it.
So far, we have just 4 games: Pokemon HGSS, DQIX, Tomodachi Collection, and Wii Sports Resort. MHP2G is sure to get there before the end of the year, while MH3 is still up in the air. Wii Fit Plus, NSMB Wii and FFXIII are guaranteed to get there as well. If MH3 doesn't make it, then we have 8 for the year, 9 if you separate the two versions of Pokemon. Am I missing anything?
2008: 8 titles
2007: 10 titles (9: Pokemon Mystery Dungeon)
2006: 9 titles (10: Pokemon DP)
2005: 3 titles
2004: 5 titles (6: Pokemon FRLG)
2003: 4 titles
2002: 3 titles (4: Pokemon RuSa)
2001: 4 titles
2000: 5 titles (6: Pokemon GS)
Basically, 2009 can tie with 2007 and 2006 as record years if we separate Pokemon and if MH3 makes it this year (2007 has Pokemon Mystery Dungeon in the top 10, but splitting the two causes them both to fall below 1 Million). The question is whether I have forgotten any other potential candidates for this year that can help make 2009 a record year for million sellers in Japan. Furthermore, I'm sure some would call into doubt FFXIII's ability to sell 1 Million with its release date so close to the end of the year, but I think it can do it.
I think the newest Professor Layton game has a shot.
Yes, the series has gotten smaller overall sales with each installment, but this one has the benefit of launching with the movie.
The TV series helped Inazuma Eleven a lot, maybe the movie can show similar results for the Layton series.
Yes, the series has gotten smaller overall sales with each installment, but this one has the benefit of launching with the movie.
The TV series helped Inazuma Eleven a lot, maybe the movie can show similar results for the Layton series.
Warren Ellis
Banned
wrowa said:
treasure, port it to psn
V
Vilix
Unconfirmed Member
Warren Ellis said:
I don't think S&P is a Treasure IP. It's Nintendo's. Could be wrong though.
Cosmonaut X
Member
Vilix said:
I don't think it is Treasure's, but begging for ports is irritating, as is the latest variant (begging for Wii retail titles to get ported to XBLA/PSN).
Regulus Tera
Romanes Eunt Domus
Cosmonaut X said:
No, pretty sure it is Nintendo's, with the inclusion of Saki in Brawl. I doubt they would go through all the legal haphazards to get the character just for an assist trophy.
Cosmonaut X said:
While it's correct that the game is not Treasure's to port, why is it irritating to hope for a game that has just performed abysmally to be moved to another platform? Do you think Sin & Punishment deserves more of a chance at success than it's just gotten? Do you think Treasure deserves to see some measure of success for their efforts at making the game? Surely it deserves more than, say, a rough cap of 10,000 or so LTD sales.
It seems it's Nintendo's trademark: http://tess2.uspto.gov/bin/showfield?f=doc&state=4005:i9rls8.2.1
Well, unless someone knows how to check the Japanese trademark office to confirm that it's not just Nintendo's trademark in the U.S.
But yeah, I'm doubting they'd license the character for Brawl if it wasn't theirs.
Well, unless someone knows how to check the Japanese trademark office to confirm that it's not just Nintendo's trademark in the U.S.
But yeah, I'm doubting they'd license the character for Brawl if it wasn't theirs.
markatisu said:
That's a faulty argument, especially when so far all the multiplatform shootemups released on 360 and Wii, ended up selling more on the 360.
Having said that though, there is no reason to debate any S&P2 release on any other platform because it is a Nintendo game. It would be like wanting Metroid Prime on the PS3. Lolz. Retarded.
charlequin
Banned
I'm sorry, but the "move Wii games to XBLA/PSN!" meme is hella dumb. I'm not sure if it's stupider for the implication that devs would/should be happy to sell their $50 titles for $10 to a userbase 1/3 the size, or the implication that XBLA/PSN are a dumping ground for the spoiled detritus of idiotic console-war exclusive arguments rather than solid (superior to their on-disc companions, really) platforms in their own right that flourish when content is designed around their specific shape and form. It's like the home-console version of the bottomfeeder "lolz port DS games to iPhone!!!!!" idiocy.
Cosmonaut X
Member
ethelred said:
Of course Treasure deserve to see their efforts rewarded, but the cries of "port to XBLA/PSN" for this and other Wii titles often seem to be less about concern for the developers or publishers and more about simply wanting a game on the poster's platform of choice, along with the particularly irritating implication that the game is only worthwhile as a download title.
Cosmonaut X
Member
ethelred said:
Ho-hum.
markatisu said:
At this point, I think it's only realistic to admit that the PS3/360 have different audiences than the Wii does. Specifically, the PS3/360 seem to do better with males 16-35, while the Wii does better with virtually everyone else. Games designed around the fast paced, blow-stuff-up style tend to be focused on those young males, and thus might do better on PS3/360.
I'm not saying that's good (or bad). I'm just saying the market has been rather cleanly bifurcated.
Dragona Akehi
Retired
ethelred said:
Because 99% of the people port begging are doing it not for the game's interest but for their platform of choice. It's why port begging or "I demand X on Y" gets a minimum one month ban.
bcn-ron said:
Well they can remove the cube ports then. They can sell a Wii with the ports and one without.
They can redesign it in other ways too. Like giving it a retro console look or something.
I just think that the slim model is what is keeping PS3 sales up a little higher. The price cut helps too, but the slim model has the duel effect of attracting more customers by being smaller and causing some existing trade in for it.
looks like the 360 version of Bayonetta is selling out:
http://www.true-gaming.net/home/?p=5682
http://www.true-gaming.net/home/?p=5667
http://www.true-gaming.net/home/?p=5682
http://www.true-gaming.net/home/?p=5667
PepsimanVsJoe
Member
Man God said:
Even if it doesn't do well (let alone tremendously well) it'd still do better than on the Wii.
It's a moot point regardless but eh.
They can perhaps make the Wii slightly thinner, give it a bit of a different outer design, and then upgrade the internal memory to be more than 512MB. Maybe even throw in DVD playback, Motion+ and the Classic Controller Pro with every package.
That said, the price drop seems to be working quite well in the U.S. Japan on the other hand...
That said, the price drop seems to be working quite well in the U.S. Japan on the other hand...
Flying_Phoenix
Banned
charlequin said:
Thank you.
Opiate said:
The problem is that while Sin & Punishment is a game targeted toward that audience it's still a niche, low in budget, shoot-em-up that's very Japanese. The 360/PS3 usually do well with games that are of budget and cater to Western (to be more specific American) taste (at least in the West).
We also must remember that this game is targeted toward North America in Europe, you know the places were Sin & Punishment sold so well on the Virtual Console that it greenlit this project? It's ridiculous how fast Gaf comes to conclusions.
Dragona Akehi said:
Pretty much.
grandjedi6
Master of the Google Search
oh oh Sin and Punishment. Your chances at success were already low but now they are pretty much gone.
Grampa Simpson
Banned
Can you run that again with PSP as well? I should really spend the time to learn to use that site properly.Nirolak said:
Absolutely terrible, unless you meant beat the Wii, at which point it's fairly possible.