StreetsAhead
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This doesn't even make any sense. He was responding to someone who said something false - that Nintendo has shown off new games at E3 the last 3 years.
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This doesn't even make any sense. He was responding to someone who said something false - that Nintendo has shown off new games at E3 the last 3 years.
To new owners? Nah.
You say that as if projections are stated as fact, and that they lied. Projections are hopes, what they think will happen. Companies fall short of expectations all the time. It's not an example of Nintendo "lying".
Also, if they build an install base, third parties would come. However, they didn't successfully build one.
Pie and Beans
Look for me on the local news, I'll be the guy arrested for trying to burn down a Nintendo exec's house.
Vita being 5k out of 3DS over and over again is such a bizarre position. Its holding really well, while essentially the 3DS is dragging its ass, and yet theyre still both the current hardware leaders.
WiiU lets slip the 8k mark again and now gets to sink and sink until the end of May, another two months.
I guess I should be happy about a decentish Dark Souls 2 number, but that whole debacle still has me sour
WiiU lets slip the 8k mark again and now gets to sink and sink until the end of May, another two months.
I guess I should be happy about a decentish Dark Souls 2 number, but that whole debacle still has me sour
Yeah, I'd agree with you there. But its the best available comparison we have right now. The only Feb launches we have recorded are the 3DS recently if you're concerned about comparing month to month launch aligned consoles.
The PS4 just isn't selling well, and the only thing that will change that is games Japan consumers will buy.
thehypocrite
Member
Iwata pulling 3DS resources to the QOL initiative. Nintendo looks like a headless chicken that needs to input the abort codes for the nuke (s?) Heading their way.
I weep for our mobile gaming future.
I weep for our mobile gaming future.
Who will buy 3DS for Smash and Dragon Quest? Hardly anyone.
shinra-bansho
Member
Projections are [meant to be] stated as realistic expectation based on analysis of market trends and data. They aren't supposed to be entirely nonsensical to begin with and then reiterated twice during the fiscal year before finally having to admit they're nonsensical.
It's an example among several of the company repeatedly saying something that realistically they should know won't eventuate.
I'm not sure why exactly some people are still under some strange illusion that the Wii U isn't a failed endeavor and that Nintendo's resources wouldn't be better spent elsewhere.
Smash, sure.
If you're hot for Pokemon, MonHun and DQ, why wouldn't you already own a 3DS?
Well, I guess since the PS4 is going to get a lot more Western games than Japanese games anyway...
But yeah either way these are big sellers unless they hold up for quite some time.
TechnicPuppet
Nothing! I said nothing!
Is that actually happening? Surely not.
What evidence do you have that they pulled 3DS resources for the QOL platform?
When DQIX came out shouldn't every DQ fan already have a DS?
Idle speculation. Iwata already said there's a separate team developing for QOL. He did not say that Nintendo pulled devs working on 3DS/Wii U games to work on QOL.
Sammy Samusu
Member
ba·si·cal·ly : in a general or basic way
Of course MH4G, DQ11, SSB4 and PKMN Z will move hardware, but these are all heavy hitters.
Mario Party would be a system seller years ago, 3DS is past the growth stage. The audience is already there.
Of course MH4G, DQ11, SSB4 and PKMN Z will move hardware, but these are all heavy hitters.
Mario Party would be a system seller years ago, 3DS is past the growth stage. The audience is already there.
StreetsAhead
Member
More than Pokemon, DQ, or whatever, Mario fans should largely already be on the platform.
The problem is that they made bad predictions / erroneous planning, not that they lied. Or better, most of what argued...other things were lies indeed. But most was bad planning, it's not lying...it's just that things didn't go as they expected, which reflects a problem in their market vision...which can ne considered worse than lying, too.
At least, the mid-to-long term plans this time sound like something much better with things they finally get. Talking about the game business, since the QOL is separated and can't be' judged now, since it's too vague.
At least, the mid-to-long term plans this time sound like something much better with things they finally get. Talking about the game business, since the QOL is separated and can't be' judged now, since it's too vague.
thehypocrite
Member
First four weeks of the most recent system launches
3DS (¥25.000) - LD: February 26th, 2011*
374.764
209.623
96.463
61.394
PSV (¥24.980 / ¥29.980) - LD: December 17th, 2011*
324.859
72.479
42.648
42.915
Wii U (¥26.250 / ¥31.500) - LD: December 8th, 2012
308.570
130.653
122.356
76.760
PS4 LD: (¥41.979 / ¥46.179) - February 22nd, 2014
322.083
52.697
30.766
28.864
3DS (¥25.000) - LD: February 26th, 2011*
374.764
209.623
96.463
61.394
PSV (¥24.980 / ¥29.980) - LD: December 17th, 2011*
324.859
72.479
42.648
42.915
Wii U (¥26.250 / ¥31.500) - LD: December 8th, 2012
308.570
130.653
122.356
76.760
PS4 LD: (¥41.979 / ¥46.179) - February 22nd, 2014
322.083
52.697
30.766
28.864
Yeah, but it's not them saying something as a fact which then didn't come true. While their analysis was wrong, that does not mean "they say a lot of things" as in they lie.
Hellraider
Member
There is a big difference between literally not showing any games (which of course is false) and showing enough, relevant for a sales thread games and also especially for WiiU's case enough games to turn the tides. The games that have the potential to turn tides is what I am talking about and what I believe JoeM86 was also talking about.
I did not say anything false, unless you take it literally.
InsaneZero
Member
A much more reasonable explanation is that those resources was being put into Wii U at about this time several years ago. It's not like games are popped out within months or something.
On a side note I wonder when that DQXI for 3DS will happen
. I expect it to be the THE game for 3DS in the holidays in Japan.I agree they are losing hard earned credibility at this point.
It will be amazing to see if the Wii U can stay above 5k until Mario Kart 8. Two looooong months ahead y'all.
Vita is vitaing, nice to see.
3DS still in the lead, but needs more cocaine. I doubt Mario Party will do much, but hey.
PS4 is a little disappointing, but the period after the small MG5 demo bump isn't looking too hot at the moment.
PS3 should be winding down at this point.
Vita is vitaing, nice to see.
3DS still in the lead, but needs more cocaine. I doubt Mario Party will do much, but hey.
PS4 is a little disappointing, but the period after the small MG5 demo bump isn't looking too hot at the moment.
PS3 should be winding down at this point.
PlumCantaloupe
Member
Fascinating when put into perspective. This really doesn't look good for anyone but then again 4 weeks sales doesn't show the future picture clearly.
Was DQ11 announced or is this just speculation?
Anyhow, the Dragon Quest titles that came out for DS before DQ9 were all spin-offs and remakes. Makes sense that if those titles capped out at 1.5-1.75M, and a mainline DQ sells 4M, some fans would be without a system at launch.
Pokemon Z (or whatever Nintendo follows up X/Y with) and Monster Hunter 4G are launching on a system that has already seen a previous 3-4M selling mainline entry. I doubt their bump will be that large. Perhaps a limited bundle will boost sales for a week or so, but I think that Smash is the potential system seller out of those 3 games.
Well the Wii U does have a new bundle coming out next week, the Wii Sports one. That has some potential at boosting sales. Not massively, of course, but it'll see at least a small spike.
StreetsAhead
Member
Unfortunately, I am not a mind reader so if you mean things to be hyperbolic or want to use words outside of their definitions, you'll need to be more clear.
Anything helps I suppose.
Down 6k is holding now?
theprodigy
Member
I hope one of the trackers shows a 101 hardware boost like Famitsu for DK so we can make W101 jokes again.
People are just happy that it didn't have another 50% drop.
There was a post that compared it to other consoles that launched in that time frame and it was tracking below still.
thehypocrite
Member
And where will these mythical Wii U games be? Cause they sure aren't released or announced. Do you guys believe that there was no development on the QOL before the announcement? He was using Nintendo resources in my opinion.
Sadly at this point I'm very skeptical that it would even do any spike.
Hoping to be proven wrong of course...
Interceptor
Banned
So... the Vita basically runs as a PS4 accessory now? Looking at the software sales it has to be the only explanation.
You realise Nintendo have been expanding, right? Also the "mythical" Wii U games are in development. Just because they aren't known doesn't mean they don't exist.
Wii Sports did well in Japan without being bundled in. Now, a bundle of the latest version, touting online play, with the new console...it could be enticing to some.
For those asking why did Sony even bother releasing the PS4 in Japan with those numbers: they need to go through this difficult transitional year to build up an install base so Japanese PS4 games don't bomb.
It had to launch at some point, may as well now to get a foothold and get the last of the major launches behind them.
It had to launch at some point, may as well now to get a foothold and get the last of the major launches behind them.
shinra-bansho
Member
Who cares if you want to call it a "lie"? That isn't the point.
The point is the company isn't going to say things publicly that could damage either investor or consumer confidence if they don't need to.
They aren't going to announce if they've ceased production because they're sitting on 100B+ yen in unsold Wii Us. They aren't going to say publicly if they've scuttled projects for the Wii U in lieu of other current or future platforms. They won't massively downgrade their forecast even when it's clearly unattainable until they absolutely need to. Before companies announce a price cut, they'll repeatedly deny any price cut is forthcoming.
They're going to smile and talk about how people just don't get the Wii U's unique features yet but they've got some magic game in the works that will make it an easy sell. About how there's still lots of software coming and they're going to support the albatross for the long haul.
Actions and outcomes are more important than words in these instances, and the lack of substantial announcements, since I don't even remember when, for the platform and repeated delays of titles speaks volumes more than any platitudes to soothe concerned investors.
The point is the company isn't going to say things publicly that could damage either investor or consumer confidence if they don't need to.
They aren't going to announce if they've ceased production because they're sitting on 100B+ yen in unsold Wii Us. They aren't going to say publicly if they've scuttled projects for the Wii U in lieu of other current or future platforms. They won't massively downgrade their forecast even when it's clearly unattainable until they absolutely need to. Before companies announce a price cut, they'll repeatedly deny any price cut is forthcoming.
They're going to smile and talk about how people just don't get the Wii U's unique features yet but they've got some magic game in the works that will make it an easy sell. About how there's still lots of software coming and they're going to support the albatross for the long haul.
Actions and outcomes are more important than words in these instances, and the lack of substantial announcements, since I don't even remember when, for the platform and repeated delays of titles speaks volumes more than any platitudes to soothe concerned investors.
Sir_Crocodile
Member
The PS4's anemic release schedule shows us the next six months or so, and it looks pretty grim. :/
Where is all of the sports?
Honestly it should have been Wii Sports and resort all in the same game.
Online and upgraded graphics. new features etc.
thehypocrite
Member
Yep I'm sure Nintendo has a massive catalog of games in "development" for the massive crater of a failure that's the Wii U.
StreetsAhead
Member
Dude, even I don't think it'll bump it any. I've got more faith in NES Remix 1+2 than I do that bundle improving sales
(this is hyperbole).
Nintendo is the most secretive company in the business currently. Nintendo is known to dev games and release the same day as the reveal.
Nintendo is more than willing to say it fucked up, they have been doing it for a while now.
Just gave it a rest. They are in a bad place and they admitted it already.
New bundles always have some sort of boost. It'll push it a little. I'm not saying it'll suddenly be at 80k. It'll be like 15k max.
Canis lupus
Member
AndrewDean84xX
Banned
How does the vita get nice hardware numbers when its software numbers are as low as ever.
mobile I guess and the 3ds has hit a saturation point.