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Media Create Sales: Week 2, 2013 (Jan 07 - Jan 13)
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If both the 720 and the PS4 are revealed at this year's E3, I don't think anyone will give a flying fuck about WiiU. Unless they have playable demos of a 3D mario, Zelda, and cut the price by 50%.
There's been a lot of covering of ears and stamping of feet by some on here in a rush to deny the Wii U's launch issues so far.
Seems now you can add a steep plummet in Japanese numbers to its complete market irrelevance and non-performance in Europe. So we're just a dissapointing NPD at the end of this month away from calling this a piss poor launch for Nintendo, right?
Seems now you can add a steep plummet in Japanese numbers to its complete market irrelevance and non-performance in Europe. So we're just a dissapointing NPD at the end of this month away from calling this a piss poor launch for Nintendo, right?
thing is... that was Mario 64. Arguably the most revolutionary title ever released. If there's ever a game to release with the underlying message of "Yeah, this is all you're getting for a year. Make the best of it!", it's Mario 64!
I know I wouldn't be complaining if EAD Tokyo put out a new 3D Mario at launch. That shit would have kept me busy til Pikmin 3, at least.
RPG_Fanatic
Member
Some pretty bad numbers for the WiiU. Nintendo needs to do something to turn this around. They really should of had a list of publishers and games like the 3DS.
I hope Nintendo does make some announcements soon, the WiiU really needs more software.
I hope Nintendo does make some announcements soon, the WiiU really needs more software.
Personally I think SNES\N64\GC would be better ambassador games.
If you go by Nintendo's own forecasts this has clearly been a disappointing launch.
I am still pretty bullish on Wii U in Japan since they have a year to sort things out...in the U.S I think they might be in trouble.
Ok but Wii U sales still sucks, I don't think is something to be happy in Nintendo.
DXB-KNIGHT
Member
They're 70% undoomed and 30% doomed at the moment.
It's as I said before launch NSMB will sell gangbusters on a console with an already healthy lineup, but it won't do shit on its own.
If you're launching hardware that eschews the stays quo you better have the software to justify your approach or you will sink like a stone. Launching yet another NSMB title, the second in six months no less, just isn't going to cut it.
MikeE21286
Member
They'd have to actually release the WiiU VC first wouldn't they...
Vita has 23 retail releases scheduled in Japan from now until the end of March. Wii U has three. Not even remotely comparable.
olimpia84
Member
It all depends on the games being featured on the show. The latest one unveiled a new Pokemon game and the buzz it created around the internet/youtube/gaming publications felt like it was pretty significant.
Cosmo Clock 21
Banned
Price cut and ambassador program won't do shit unless there's a cornucopia of games announced to go along with it. They also have way less flexibility to drop the price unlike the 3DS.
Aquamarine
Member
I think you're forgetting just how absolutely abysmal the 3DS's launch actually was 1st-party wise:
3DS Nintendogs + Cats 02/26/11 Japan
3DS Pilotwings Resort 04/14/11 Japan
3DS Steel Diver 05/12/11 Japan
vs.
Wii U Nintendo Land 12/08/12 Japan
Wii U Nintendo x Joysound Wii Karaoke U 12/08/12 Japan
Wii U New Super Mario Bros. U 12/08/12 Japan
...Yeah. No comparison here.
The emulation really wasn't ready for prime-time. I'm not sure if they've bothered progressing it or not.
KillerMan91
Member
Can't actually say that I am terribly surprised by WiiU performance. I thought that it will be either something like Wii (new innovative controller bringing tons of casual to platform from the start) or it will underperform as casuals don't buy the idea and for hardcore it doesn't offer anything new as Nintendo once again went with low specs. It really could be in trouble as with low specs Nintendo practically said goodbye to western third parties (and for some Japanese too).
Napalm_Frank
Member
Japan embracing PS3 as its main console!
23?!
Blimey. I knew that Vita support wasn't dead but I hadn't realised there were that many titles in the pipeline.
Mato
Member
Nintendo would have been much better off releasing a technically true next-gen system along with a full blown 3D mainline Mario. The Gamecube model seems to be the most viable for them for this time and age. The Gamepad is redudant, it just drives the cost up. They should invest in developing AAA, state of the art games, gimmicks have migrated to tablets.
electroplankton
Banned
I think the relevant question now is more whether it can cross the 5 million unit line.
Hardware-wise? Maybe. But software-wise is already ahead, and its few games are still charting, and selling well.
They learned. They launched Wii U along with a 2D Mario, supposedly their biggest franchise ever. 3DS was launched with just Nintendogs+cats in Japan, and Pilotwings Resort in the West.
They did not learn how to build a post-launch line-up, though. I mean, they have three potential big sellers in the closet, and still no release date.
Think that needed to be fixed.
Same here haha. I hope we get some ambassador titles out of this.
Aquamarine
Member
Yeah, but through the end of March, the Vita only has 6 releases in the USA, and 5 in Europe.
electroplankton
Banned
Yeah, many titles such as Ciel Nosurge RE:Incarnation, Sakura-Sou no Pet na Kanojo and three versions of NextRev. It will be lucky if 4 of those 23 games will sell above 100k.
It's disappointing for Nintendo, I think they expected a bit more out of Nintendoland.
But realistically going forward what will happen is PS3 and 360 will outsell it for quite some time only because they are mature library systems and cost less. Once resources start shifting to Sony and MS's next gen consoles and those start to decline Nintendo again occupies the bottom (by this time the system will be at least $50 less than it is) and MS and Sony need to sell highly expensive systems. Once Nintendo is entry-level again they will probably be able to post big numbers again. The top of the value chain is just a bad place to be.
So is the NSMB art style dead yet? Have to think that if they had at least done something different graphics-wise (sorry, a few backgrounds aren't enough) they could have wowed a few more people/made the system and game look a little better. At least it would look somewhat different from the not-too-great 3DS game that released only a couple months before WiiU (not to mention DS and Wii iterations).
And I say all this thinking that that the WiiU game is the best of the NSMB series. I think it just looks old at this point and think they need to do something else with the 2D games.
And I also know this isn't the full problem with WiiU, but they really seemed to want to hang their hat on Mario at launch as some kind of megaton, but clearly not everyone cared.
And I say all this thinking that that the WiiU game is the best of the NSMB series. I think it just looks old at this point and think they need to do something else with the 2D games.
And I also know this isn't the full problem with WiiU, but they really seemed to want to hang their hat on Mario at launch as some kind of megaton, but clearly not everyone cared.
electroplankton
Banned
I don't see how the idea to launch Wii U with a game in a series that sold over 50 million units with just 2 titles was silly. The problem is not Mario, which is a system seller per se, and it will sell for a long time.
Phoenician_Viking
Banned
So people would start a count down to see when the WiiU will sell sub 10k a week.
Why would Sony drop the price when they make a big margin on the new very cheap PS3 that they are selling.
Why would Sony drop the price when they make a big margin on the new very cheap PS3 that they are selling.
.....isn't this the Media-Create thread?
There are still 23 games coming. That is still more than I thought.
Father_Brain
Banned
Weren't certain people predicting just last week that Vita would consistently stay in the 15-20K range for the next few months? Whoops. With no significant exclusives on the way before (or after, for now) Soul Sacrifice, it's not likely to stay in five figures.
The real story, of course, is the Wii U numbers, but how much more is there to say? Nintendo really screwing the pooch here.
The real story, of course, is the Wii U numbers, but how much more is there to say? Nintendo really screwing the pooch here.
That's really this thing who bothers me on the Wii U front.
Numbers are right, I think it's normal in the first few january weeks after launch to drop off this way. Nintendo Directs will do nothing for the numbers, only actual releases will sell hardware. NDs will be good for the gamers/press momentum, but nothing more.
But if they learned from the 3DS launch, they would have more than one first party title per month, or at least one retail title and something digital each month.
Instead of that, january is empty, Wario and Pikmin are late, and the only way to regain some momentum (except by a major price cut in 6 months) is to have a great system-seller in march. I don't think Mario Kart is ready, and I'm fearing they didn't learn fom the 3DS that third party titles are NOT system sellers, and they will try to push Lego City Stories Undercover as one...
On the fence about what? Since we are talking Japan, there are only 2 home consoles worth developing for at this time. They are both in the same ballpark power-wise, so one doesn't necessarily exclude the other. If we are talking exclusives, that's a slightly different picture.
What it boils down to is this, the only developer that is going to save the Wii U is Nintendo. We all know they have the big guns in development. Show a little of what is cooking. It will go a long way toward easing customer's minds. No one cares if Zelda is 2 years away, show us a damn logo, hell show us a sketch Miyamoto made on scrap of toilet paper while taking a dump. Put up a tentative toadmap, damn, I mean roadmap. Throw us a bone and a lot of the doubt will be relieved. But they need to do something, and they need to do it now.
metalslimer
Member
Yeah....everyone at Nintendo should be worried about their jobs at this point with how this is starting to play out.
DXB-KNIGHT
Member
I dont think anything they'll try to get that will have a huge 180 change, Nintendo should prove to Japan that console gaming is still relevant.
clay_ghost
Member
Vita and wii u is dieing ......
That will piss out everyone who brought a wiiu. Too soon.....
That will piss out everyone who brought a wiiu. Too soon.....
Moz La Punk
Member
Not even a long shot. Hope you were sarcastic because the 3DS is on fire.
electroplankton
Banned
Sales-wise (being this a sales thread), most of them are irrelevant. Last year Vita had 12 retail games from January to March despite having over 20 titles in the launch week. This year Vita comes from an holiday period where it basically had one game.
specialguy
Banned
Wii U below PS3 is pretty damning.
I can see it getting uglier, consistent 10k levels in the future?
And imo, Japan was the only place this thing even had a chance.
How bad will this disaster get? Stay tuned.
I can see it getting uglier, consistent 10k levels in the future?
And imo, Japan was the only place this thing even had a chance.
How bad will this disaster get? Stay tuned.
gamergirly
Member
We're gonna have a 50 page thread after the next Nintendo Direct LOL
Nintendo not gonna let the Wii U die.....
Nintendo not gonna let the Wii U die.....
Yeah but the 3DS had to compete against the Vita, which had at best an even chance of competing with Nintendo. The WiiU is going to be up against the next Xbox/Playstation. The 3DS wasn't an underdog. The WiiU is.
I'm a huge Nintendo fanboy (of sorts). But they have (so far) severely screwed up the WiiU launch. There's so much potential in the machine, but Nintendo can't even get the marketing right. I bet about half of the country STILL has no idea WHAT a WiiU is.
usually revolution mystery projects from nintendo are extremely experimental and around a gimmick, so even if they'd do that it won't be the powerhouse many people want from them