Pancakes R Us
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Shit Wii U sales are well deserved. About time Nintendo gets some cold, hard failure. Just keep to your stubborn old ways, Nintendo.
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Media Create Sales: Week 2, 2013 (Jan 07 - Jan 13)
- Thread starter Chris1964
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God only knows why but I'll try and explain what just happened.
I saw there were 23 Vita titles being released in the next 3 months. Given that the platform is in major trouble, I remarked that the number surprised me.
It was then pointed out that these titles were not system sellers. I responded by suggesting that had no bearing on my surprise at the number of titles being released.
You then made a snarky post essentially saying that I must believe the titles in question were system sellers than would save the Vita.
Looking back, do you feel your part in this conversation could be described as 'reasonable'? Do you honestly feel that your post quoted above is a fair summary of my position?
Well, it's true that I said "Apocalyptic Scenario!" quoting Nuclear Muffin time, but shortly after I even started not posting or even ente ring in Vita Doomed threads because thing became just too much. I'm not even emotionally invested in a Wii U (not bought one), it's just that the user seem really, really enjoying this situation, without losing any chance to post his joy. XD
thehypocrite
Member
Do you see the trends reversing?
This in the worse way. There is no doubt there are games they can announce. They are likely far from ready but should be show-able and they have to say something. There is nothing of any serious note coming at all. It's all on the 3DS. There are some titles coming but nothing that will make the Wii U sell even if some are interested in them. Certainly not Pikmin 3. Dragon Quest X isn't even going to do it in Japan given how the Wii version has sold and it's a MMO. It dosn't have to do big numbers as long as there is a steady subscription base. There is nothing announced from 3rd parties on the multiplatform front that could help either.
While this is just a single week there is no reason at all to think the next several won't be the same or worse. I will not be surprised if nothing of major note doesn't come until the summer. By then it's going to be to late and those that would have liked to have just stuck with the Wii U will be willing to buy a PS4 (in Japan) or the new Xbox (outside of Japan). Less money and time going to the Wii U and any future games. In Japan many could simply decide to stick with the 3DS, seeing no reason to even bother with the Wii U.
I like seeing Nintendo do to a degree because that means they have to reaction in a serious way. While I've enjoyed my Wii U they need to act quickly and not keep this looking like they've really F'ed up.
If they have to rush HD GameCube ports or even some Wii ports then that is what they should do to get some games out there. Many would look good and people would be happy to buy them.
Chû Totoro
Member
Wii U collector system confirmed 
I have mine \o/
But 3DS, it keeps selling and selling
I have mine \o/
lol... or not
But 3DS, it keeps selling and selling
I think there is a decent possibility things turn around in Japan, yes.
Aquamarine
Member
I feel like you're taking a silly thread far too seriously for your own good.
Devilgunman
Member
They could do it with 3ds because the competition is much easier for them on handheld. But on console, the WiiU is up against massive AAA line up from PS360 at the beginning of the year and the next gen announcement from both parties. It's alot more difficult to turn the tide.
Absolutely, never bet against Nintendo.
Bruno MB
Member
That is simply a myth.
Panic Mode Nintendo simply means "a price cut" and nothing more. It always happens when one of their systems has a bad launch.
I hope the next Nintendo Direct will be fun (i.e. first party games showed & announced, especially for Wii U since they need it), but I know one thing for sure: next investors meeting will be AMAZING.
Oh I still think it has a good chance of dominating Japan and being the top selling home, tethered console week after week, they just need to announce the games. I mean looking at popular franchises in Japan, Nintendo still has them and there will probably be some societal factors which ensures its the dominant home console there. I also think that even if it DOES , ultimately 3DS will be the true dominating "console" in Japan no matter what the Wii U does or PS4 does. Face it, in Japan, consoles play second fiddle to Nintendo handhelds.
PSP outselling DS, blah blah, 3DS doomed. We've seen it before.
Microsoft is irrelevant so the question is do you see console gaming completely folding in Japan, or do you see Sony doing a better job? I have low confidence in both so I'd have to say yes.
Kacho
Gold Member
In the Western market? Absolutely. I believe they will have a much easier time turning things around in Japan, though.
Didn't you just say this would be the last Nintendo console? How is less competition in a market good for the consumer? Unless I give you the benefit of the doubt and assume you meant it'd be the last console where they had region locking, no universal accounts, etc.
Don't know why I would, though.
thehypocrite
Member
Around to dominance? I agree that with steady software release it's market performance will get better, the question in that thread was dominance, and I thought and still think the Wii U won't get to that level.
metalslimer
Member
If Nintendo will reverse the current trend, their best bet will be in Japan. Of course I don't know how sustainable having a console only be successful in Japan is considering it is the worst place for a console to have its greatest success.
Well I expect both Wii U and PS4 to hugely underperform in Japan and not reach Wii+PS3 numbers so it depends on your definition of dominance.
Well I expect both Wii U and PS4 to hugely underperform in Japan and not reach Wii+PS3 numbers so it depends on your definition of dominance.
BladeoftheImmortal
Member
Wiiiiii U WIIIII U.
Anyone used that yet?
It's almost crossed paths with the vita, damn! (Looking at that graph on the first page)
Anyone used that yet?
It's almost crossed paths with the vita, damn! (Looking at that graph on the first page)
I think the odds are still very high that Nintendo is the best selling console this generation. Now how big a prize that will be is still up for debate.
A lot can change depending on how Nintendo handles it. If they don't release any games that people need in the near future, it will keep selling like crap though. When it has been failing for as long as the Vita have (at least a year) I'd be sure that it's a failure.
Sarcasm?
Phoenician_Viking
Banned
Yeah, it was obvious that their new console will be sorely under-powered and barely get any support from third party publishers.
It was obvious that HD game development takes more time than SD game development.
It was obvious that Nintendo needs more third party support (money hatting, help with marketing, exclusive DLC), but Nintendo does not give 2 shits about third parties, or else they would have not made the WiiU.
Stop defending Nintendo´s shit decisions.
Fess
Member
WiiU is obviously in big trouble, world wide and in Japan too. And seriously, what can change it's fate now? A price drop? I don't think that's the problem. New game announcements? I don't think they can show anything that can pierce through the PS4/720 hype that is starting to build up and will onöy increase at E3 time.
Reset. And do it right. Open the war chest and use the money Nintendo. Super Wii launch 2015 with better hardware than PS4/720.
Reset. And do it right. Open the war chest and use the money Nintendo. Super Wii launch 2015 with better hardware than PS4/720.
Father_Brain
Banned
People still talk as though MK7, SM3DL, and MH3G magically materialized from out of nowhere the day Nintendo cut 3DS' price, so yes.
darkstar0155
Member
This is Nintendos own fault. While they had a good enough variety of games for the launch month, and december, they gave fans nothing to look forward too or get excited about.
Iwata needs to stop dragging his feet with waiting until well after launch to announce future games we all know are coming. They have many first/second party studios alone that they could have shown games from to build hype/excitement/interest. Announcing big games that will move systems, even if it is as simple as a trailer, helps build hype, and hype sells in this industry. They did a absolutely horrible job of building hype for their machine, and their marketing is just attrocious for the system.
They should have had a nintendo direct in mid december to get people excited for post launch software, and a brief glimps of what is coming between now and e3. Why hasnt rayman been getting any coverage in the media, same with pikmin, and even aliens. These games need to be marketed now to build up interest and hype.
And they need to fire their new marketing firm pronto.
Iwata needs to stop dragging his feet with waiting until well after launch to announce future games we all know are coming. They have many first/second party studios alone that they could have shown games from to build hype/excitement/interest. Announcing big games that will move systems, even if it is as simple as a trailer, helps build hype, and hype sells in this industry. They did a absolutely horrible job of building hype for their machine, and their marketing is just attrocious for the system.
They should have had a nintendo direct in mid december to get people excited for post launch software, and a brief glimps of what is coming between now and e3. Why hasnt rayman been getting any coverage in the media, same with pikmin, and even aliens. These games need to be marketed now to build up interest and hype.
And they need to fire their new marketing firm pronto.
For the audience at large, sure. For the few people who buy a Vita (the same people who bought a 360 and a PC-Engine back in the day), the ones who value what the Vita has to offer it might be okay. Keep the audience happy with which you're succeeding.
The question still remains, where will all the otaku centric PSP titles go? The PSP, like the Saturn, was an otaku centric console that did also succeed mainstream. Obviously Sony's aim with the Vita was to achieve this again. Right now it still looks more like an Xbox though.
Still, there is nothing to gain from putting games which are basically hand drawn flat graphics on the 3DS. Any game that is polygonal will have a nice 3D effect on the 3DS with little extra cost. HD on the other hand means you need better textures, raising cost. But hand drawn 2D won't benefit from stereoscopy at all and will just look nicer on an HD screen. The Vita is the perfect 2D handheld in the same way the 3DS is the perfect 3D one.
Since these 2D otaku games don't sell much anyway, putting them on the 3DS has no value for many of these niche developers. In the end they will arrive on the Vita most likely. The 3DS will own the market with huge to mid-range titles, but the Vita still has the chance to get the majority of really small titles and some mid-range successes as well.
We have a winner and we have a loser, I just don't think the Vita needs to be pulled from the market.
metalslimer
Member
Or Vita's failure will just help the PSP stay on the market for years to come.
thehypocrite
Member
That's was my argument as well. No console can aspire to dominance in Japan when the current trends point to handheld and mobile becoming the dominant platforms.
I'm sure they can, however If were to make an estimate I think the PS3 will sell more than Wii U LTD. I cannot call that dominance even if it's the best that can be done within the current market.
I'm not calling Wii U a failure, it's too early for that, I just stated that the trends indicate that it won't be a dominant console as a lot of posters expected.
If their only option is to completely scrap the wii u and start over they may as well just forfeit this console generation and move on to preparing for the next one. Luckily that's not their only nor best option. I do agree, opening the warchest should be happening now, but not for a complete system relaunch, but for securing exclusive content, producing content and lots of it and giving people something to look forward to. It's one thing Sony and MS know how to do, make you look forward to what's to come even if it is three years out. Hell people on this forum are STILL pining for The Last Guardian, so obviously it works to some degree.
Nintendo needs to remember that while Mario, and Monster Hunter are important, people still need GAMES to look forward to, to make them say "Hell yes i'm going to buy that for this game. It's GAMES that sell people, not technology, as proven with the Wii vs PS3 there and 3ds vs Vita there. They need to show some compelling software, only available on the system and it'd sell.
Trust me, showing a home Dragon Quest XI or something similar will move systems there.
Pie and Beans
Look for me on the local news, I'll be the guy arrested for trying to burn down a Nintendo exec's house.
Well yeah, I guess it is probably too late for any lessons learned to be applied to consoles as I genuinely believe theyre out of that game now, and they'll double down on hopefully an actually cutting edge powerful handheld next go around to consolidate and remain King of that market with no competitors.
Japans going to be an interesting one because it looks like Sony is going to bow out of handhelds, while Nintendo is going all in. The competition there is going to be between home console gaming and portable gaming I guess, which isn't ideal, but MS just isnt a factor to have the situation play out any different.
Of course the problem for Nintendo learning anything going forward on handhelds is the market is mostly not really hurting them over shit like region locking, lack of 2nd stick, power etc on the 3DS, so it might just be same as it ever was for the next Nintendo handheld. But at least I only have to buy one Nintendo thing that go around rather than two anti-consumer devices
Agree, I was just speculating freely. It has no chance of reaching Wii levels of success.
Sammy Samusu
Member
You forgot flood of games (Nintendo 3DS Conference), big productions (Animal Crossing New Leaf), worldwide releases (Pokémon XY), exclusive third-party games (Monster Hunter 3, Graces, Samurai Warriors 3, etc).
Panic Mode Nintendo is much more than a mere price-cut.
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anyhow i do agree with Pie and Beans, nintendo has always been pretty dense about several things.
they needed to learn their lesson the hard way probably.
let's see how they will fix this now. panic-mode nintendo is the best nintendo.
shinra-bansho
Member
Holy crap at WiiU. I was expecting 30-40K. 20K and crossing streams with the PS3 already. Yikes.
metalslimer
Member
Every single game at that Nintendo conference was being worked on before the 3DS even came out. Animal Crossing is a sign of Panic mode Nintendo? The only real one I see there is Pokemon being released WW obviously as a response to mediocre western sales. THe biggest "panic mode Nintendo" thing they did this year was release both NSMB2 and NSMBU 3 months from each other.
Usually they have timed droughts, but I'm willing to bet something got fucked up on Nintendo's end that's going to result in a lack of games till after the FY ends.
It's a damn shame, but I do think they overestimated Mario.
Meanwhile 3DS murder. Seriously, they've gotta be very happy with those numbers all around.
It's a damn shame, but I do think they overestimated Mario.
Meanwhile 3DS murder. Seriously, they've gotta be very happy with those numbers all around.
It probably will. They could do a lot of short sighted moves (Mario on iOS) to boost prices, but ultimately prices aren't going to go up unless another Wii style home run occurs.
ItWasMeantToBe19
Banned
At least these numbers might cause Nintendo to try and have a good e3 this year with a lot of long-term announcements, lol.
Phoenician_Viking
Banned
Lol. Game materialize out of no where just because Nintendo go into panic mode.
And here we all believed Nintendo when they said they learned from the 3DS launch.
You didn't learn shit Nintendo. Look at your crappy international Wii U sales.
Next time, actually plan some interesting (and new, not games released months ago) games for your consoles after it is launched.
Haven't played my Wii U for weeks, and won't be touching it until Rayman is released. =/
You didn't learn shit Nintendo. Look at your crappy international Wii U sales.
Next time, actually plan some interesting (and new, not games released months ago) games for your consoles after it is launched.
Haven't played my Wii U for weeks, and won't be touching it until Rayman is released. =/