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Media Create Sales: Week 28, 2013 (Jul 08 - Jul 14)

Yeshua

Member
The only thing that could "save" the Wii U at this point is what "saved" the PS3: a massive price drop and a willingness on Nintendo's part to bleed enormous amounts of money.

If Nintendo is willing to drop the price of the Wii U to 150 bucks and lose 5+ Billion dollars on the Wii U as Sony did on the PS3, I can see that having a dramatic effect on sales.

Barring that extremely unlikely scenario, I don't see any method for the Wii U to be any more than a marginal, niche product.

Going for 350 to 150 buck would be financially brutal however I don't think Nintendo can avoid dropping the price to 250 $/€ in the West and between 20-25k yen in Japan + doing bundles (worldwide).
 

Vinnk

Member
The only thing that could "save" the Wii U at this point is what "saved" the PS3: a massive price drop and a willingness on Nintendo's part to bleed enormous amounts of money.

If Nintendo is willing to drop the price of the Wii U to 150 bucks and lose 5+ Billion dollars on the Wii U as Sony did on the PS3, I can see that having a dramatic effect on sales.

Barring that extremely unlikely scenario, I don't see any method for the Wii U to be any more than a marginal, niche product.

$200 for the premium SKU would be low enough for many people to jump in. Half the price of the other Next Gen systems would be appealing to families. But I can't see it happening. Nintendo has too much pride. That pride is gonna kill them.
 

BowieZ

Banned
It was also really hot to the level of heat wave in Japan last week, and it came out in a holiday weekend where people were not in the streets. Even the Pokémon Centers were fairly empty and that seldom happens.

This has an effect on sales. I'm not saying this to spin but as an explanation. You need to factor in all the factors in order to make a determination.
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Scum

Junior Member
Well, I wasn't expecting a huge bump from Pikmin 3, but this? This is pathetic.

Ah, well. At this point, Nintendo is just reaping what they've sown, and at least their next few years will be fascinating to watch from a distance.

Miyamoto should use this as a perfect excuse to move onto something else. Leave the Board and move back to mucking in.
 
A trilogy? This doesn't make any sense with respect to how the games are made. They barely have any story and noone can make me believe anything in Pikmin 3's story was planned before Pikmin 2 released.

I'm not making this up, Miyamoto said something hinting at a trilogy back in the day, try googling "Miyamoto Pikmin trilogy", sorry I can'r copy and paste right now.
 

Yeshua

Member
$200 for the premium SKU would be low enough for many people to jump in. Half the price of the other Next Gen systems would be appealing to families. But I can't see it happening. Nintendo has too much pride. That pride is gonna kill them.

They didn't have that pride for the 3DS and they shouldn't have it for the Wii U, I think it would be more shameful for them to let the system die than cutting the price.
 

Durante

Member
That's slightly underwhelming, I expected a somewhat larger cumulative sales bump, especially from such a low starting point.

I fucking love you, man. The Vita was on track for a 40k week before the sun came out :(
Don't forget that the Vita uses an OLED display, which has problems in direct sunlight. Sony should invest in cloud technology to improve sales.
 
I don't think we will be seeing the Pikmin franchise anytime soon again.

Considering Miyamoto will be retiring soon, I can't imagine anyone wanting to revive this franchise.

It will be poetic justice to see Miyamoto's last franchise join the ranks of Fzero and Star Fox.
 

Bruno MB

Member
The only remote chance Wii U had to do decent numbers was Mario Kart 8 for December and Super Smash Bros for February 2014. We all know how things turned out after that Nintendo E3 Direct.
 

IrishNinja

Member
*sigh* i love pikmin, but it was a great looking launch title, not anything remotely a system seller...imagine if back in '08, instead of MGS4, sony got the exclusive to say Way of the Samurai 3. id've been pleased! and so would like a dozen other people

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bro this thing's lacking Wind Waker remake, nevermind earthbound VC (gonna do big numbers...big)
 
it only shows that people interested in Pikmin 3 already bought a WiiU.

I think this is something that might be a trend going forward, there's already a good chunk of platformer and mario fans who have the system so the software sales for Dk and 3dworld might be great but there is a chance that it doesn't translate into compareable hardware sales
 

Nirolak

Mrgrgr
That initial massive price drop only saved PS3 from being terminal dead in initial years it still was selling badly. It took massive first party effort and another price drop to reclaim Europe and Japan.
And all the time PS3 had major third party support annouced.

Yeah, for all its failures, third parties stood by the PS3 in nigh-universal solidarity.

I think that helped tremendously in the long run, since regardless of how unattractive the system was, you at least knew you would be getting a strong, frequent line-up of games for the entire generation.
 

wrowa

Member
it only shows that people interested in Pikmin 3 already bought a WiiU.

That's too much of a generalization. It's a combination of at least four things: 1) people who are interested in the game already own the console, 2) people who are interested, but think that Wii U is too expensive, 3) people who are interested but don't want to buy a console for just a single game or two, 4) a combination of 3) and 4).

Of course, there is also a fifth group that just doesn't care about Pikmin.

In the end, hardware sales are still bad, What is the next big game for the Wii U? There's small stuff like W101 coming up, but until Mario 3D World or maybe DK there seems to be... pretty much nothing?
 

Scum

Junior Member
$200 for the premium SKU would be low enough for many people to jump in. Half the price of the other Next Gen systems would be appealing to families. But I can't see it happening. Nintendo has too much pride. That pride is gonna kill them.

They shouldn't have bothered with the White Premium. Just keep the Black @ £199.99. and you're right. That pride will be the death of the console side of them.
 

Vinnk

Member
Theory:

Next week is the beginning of summer vacation for Japanese schools so they have a lot of tests this week. Parents knowing how addictive a new WiiU and Pikmin would be, purposely avoided buying it to ensure that their children could go to college.

Next week, with summer in full swing I expect WiiU at 50k (unless it's hot).
 
I hope pikmin does better in the west. Fucking wiiu better not kill this series. Now I dred to see 101's sales. Poor platinum.

Next week is the beginning of summer vacation for Japanese schools so they have a lot of tests this week. Parents knowing how addictive a new WiiU and Pikmin would be, purposely avoided buying it to ensure that their children could go to college.

Next week, with summer in full swing I expect WiiU at 50k (unless it's hot).

150k minimum.
 

Litri

Member
I think Pikmin 3 sales are in line with what the game has sold in the past.
I mean, Pikmin 2 sold close to 200k when it was released on 2004 but by then
the GC had a way bigger installed userbase on the market.

What is worrying is that the Wii U got only a small bump. Hope it stays like this for some weeks.
 

knkng

Member
People go out and do crap when the weather is nice, they don't think "Yeah, I'll go wait in line for a console". You can tell this by just how damned low everything else is, including the 3DS.
The idea of people waiting in line for a Wii U made me chuckle.

Pikmin bump for Wii U: 13,948 units
Signatures on the region-free petition: 23,176

I don't get it. Are you saying region free would have boosted sales, or... what exactly?
 

Scum

Junior Member
Yeah, for all its failures, third parties stood by the PS3 in nigh-universal solidarity.

I think that helped tremendously in the long run, since regardless of how unattractive the system was, you at least knew you would be getting a strong, frequent line-up of games for the entire generation.

I've always said that NoE and NoA should have had their own dev teams established by now. They could have chipped in at these times with IPs of their own.
 
That's slightly underwhelming, I expected a somewhat larger cumulative sales bump, especially from such a low starting point.

Don't forget that the Vita uses an OLED display, which has problems in direct sunlight. Sony should invest in cloud technology to improve sales.

Holy crap lol.
 

Pie and Beans

Look for me on the local news, I'll be the guy arrested for trying to burn down a Nintendo exec's house.
I hope pikmin does better in the west. Fucking wiiu better not kill this series.

Has to come at the same time as an official price-drop.

Honestly Kamiya must be watching this shit like a car-crash in slow motion. "You're going to release my game to WHAT momentum?!"
 
So if the notably different titles like Pikmin 3 aren't really broadening the audience beyond the people who bought the system for NSMB U, would the main hope at this point be that people aren't satisfied with just having NSMB2/SM3DL/MK7 and want the console entries of NSMBU/SM3DW/MK8?

To say Nintendo is playing the software side safe is perhaps the understatement of the year. They are pushing all of these games that come with huge sales on the Wii and that base that bought those games to my estimation has moved on to other things. People at Nintendo and even here are under the impression that games like Wii U Sports and Wii U Fit will catapult the system and I see those games having a Brain Age 3DS style flop. Not only is their lineup safe they are not creating convincing reasons for needing the Gamepad, which compounds the problem of desirability the Wii U already has.
 

Yoshi

Headmaster of Console Warrior Jugendstrafanstalt
So if the notably different titles like Pikmin 3 aren't really broadening the audience beyond the people who bought the system for NSMB U, would the main hope at this point be that people aren't satisfied with just having NSMB2/SM3DL/MK7 and want the console entries of NSMBU/SM3DW/MK8?

Yes, it was before, too. Pikmin 3 saving the Wii U was always out of question, even the optimistic 40k predictions wouldn't have saved the Wii U.
 

L Thammy

Member
I don't get it. Are you saying region free would have boosted sales, or... what exactly?

I'm guessing he's not entirely serious.

Pikmin did fine. Its the Wii U that is the problem. Wasn't a NintendoLand bundle finally offered in Japan finally? If so, this is very bad news, heat wave or not.

Again, I feel that this is the real problem. The Wii U bump is in line with Pikmin 1. That would be fine, but things other than Pikmin 3 were released. Nintendo Land hasn't returning to the charts, so it seems like that new bundle bombed completely.
 
How much is it at right now world wide?
New shipment information comes out in about a fortnight. It will be the first shipment information for this fiscal year.

As at 31st March it was 3.45M off the top of my head. Sell-through considerably lower though.
 
So if the notably different titles like Pikmin 3 aren't really broadening the audience beyond the people who bought the system for NSMB U, would the main hope at this point be that people aren't satisfied with just having NSMB2/SM3DL/MK7 and want the console entries of NSMBU/SM3DW/MK8?
Your guess is as good as any.
 

Yoshi

Headmaster of Console Warrior Jugendstrafanstalt
I'm not making this out, Miyamoto said something hinting at a trilogy back in the day, try googling "Miyamoto Pikmin trilogy", sorry I can'r copy and paste right now.

I didn't want to call you out, Miyamoto might well have said that. I still don't believe it's true.
 

Hanmik

Member
Yes, but the Wii U's push with its new games came on the Saturday, ergo Pikmin, NSLU and the White Premium Wii U are tracked for two days.

I am also not paid to post. If you knew who I was, you'd realise that I'm not exactly Nintendo's favourite person

who are you then..? your profile links to this Pokemon ehh sorry Pokémon site.. http://www.serebii.net/
 
Yes, it was before, too. Pikmin 3 saving the Wii U was always out of question, even the optimistic 40k predictions wouldn't have saved the Wii U.

The thing is if40k had bought the system it would have show a good amount of people not in the core base that was interested in more than nsmbu. Now it just seems like anything outside of one of their top ip is just appealing to the base

I would be shiocked if nintendo shipped more than 500k in the last quarter
 
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