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[Acosta]

Was nintendogs a multi million selling game in Japan? I honestly don't remember.

Even so it can't really compare to the software that nintendo has coming this year. I've said this in another thread but i don't think there is even the slightest chance that the 3DS sells as bad as the gamecube. It won't match the DS but i think it will sell enough that comparisons to the gamecube will look a little bit silly.

Chris will probably know the exact number, but absolutely yes.

And no, I'm sure 3DS will do way better than GC no matter what, I wanted to draw a parallelism with the scenario, with Nintendo showing lack of focus and not being able to regain their ground with their big names.

I won't be the one to bet against Nintendo, I just say that I would be cautious.

 

[Jaded Alyx]

surprisingly low droppings for the 3DS

.....people measure that sort of thing?

 

[Acosta]

Did 135,674 in its first week, according to Famitsu. Wasn't even the top selling game for the week.

Just checked, 500k was the shipped figure it seems.

But the total number of Nintendogs is 21.5 millions WW in 2009 according to this:

http://www.gamasutra.com/php-bin/news_index.php?story=22095

 

[Erethian]

Just checked, 500k was the shipped figure it seems.

But the total number of Nintendogs is 21.5 millions WW in 2009 according to this:

http://www.gamasutra.com/php-bin/news_index.php?story=22095

Well yeah. It ended up doing a ton, but it took a while to get there.

I think it's the kind of game that got hurt by the high initial launch price, since it would tend to sell well with a more casual audience rather than the hardcore fans who buy a system so early in its life cycle. It'll be more interesting to see where it is in January.

 

[DGRE]

Just checked, 500k was the shipped figure it seems.

But the total number of Nintendogs is 21.5 millions WW in 2009 according to this:

http://www.gamasutra.com/php-bin/news_index.php?story=22095

WW =/= Japan. I think it did it's biggest numbers in America. I could be wrong.

 

[Jaded Alyx]

WW =/= Japan. I think it did it's biggest numbers in America. I could be wrong.

I'm thinking Europe for some reason.

 

[Piercedveil]

3DS is actually doing pretty decent. Maybe stabilize around 35-40k until holiday season? My guess at least.

 

[BKK]

Yep! got my limited edition pre-ordered! first of four, former Kid© staff derived adventure games, coming out this winter!

There's been some PSP/360 releases though, and 360-ps3 ports a plenty but this is the first simultaneous.

Why they went with ps3 over psp would be interesting to hear, perhaps testing the water for robotic notes?

Surprising that it took nearly 5 years. Will be interesting to see which wins out, 360's established ADV fanbase, or PS3s superior installed base. I suspect it will largely cancel out and sales will be roughly equal.

 

[-Pyromaniac-]

Next week should be interesting. Want to see how Xillia does, as well as the PS3. 3DS seems like it will stabilize at around 40-45K. PSP killin it.

 

[FINALFANTASYDOG]

Surprising that it took nearly 5 years. Will be interesting to see which wins out, 360's established ADV fanbase, or PS3s superior installed base. I suspect it will largely cancel out and sales will be roughly equal.

Dunamis15 isn't a core only adventure game though...

Considering ps3 used trade-in-prices are always higher and even games that are extremely oriented towards and objectively better on the 360, sell more on the ps3(including late ports) can't imagine this being much of a battle (my pre-order is on the 360 version though)

Code 18(psp/360) should be a much more interesting match-up

 

[BKK]

Dunamis15 isn't a core only adventure game though...

Considering ps3 used trade-in-prices are always higher and even games that are extremely oriented towards and objectively better on the 360, sell more on the ps3(including late ports) can't imagine this being much of a battle (my pre-order is on the 360 version though)

Code 18(psp/360) should be a much more interesting match-up

That would point to 360 version being more front loaded, which wouldn't be surprising, but ADVs haven't really sold particularly well on PS3. Certainly not noticably better than 360, but it's difficult to get a fair comparison, so this an interesting case.

 

[Road]

Famitsu puts MHP3 as first game to cross a million sales this year

It crossed 1 million this year a week behind this issue, but at least they are paying attention.

Top YTD 2011
(first column is up to when the LTD is)

2011-08-28 1,009,176  /  4,490,165 -[PSP]Monster Hunter Freedom 3          (Capcom)      {2010-12-01}
2011-07-31   492,488  /    492,488 -[NDS]Dragon Quest Monsters: Joker 2 Pro(Square Enix) {2011-03-31}
2011-06-26   454,522  /    454,522 -[PSP]Dissidia 012 Final Fantasy        (Square Enix) {2011-03-03}
2011-06-26   443,873  /    443,873 -[PS3]Dynasty Warriors 7                (Koei Tecmo)  {2011-03-10}
2011-08-28   419,938  /    419,938 -[WII]Rhythm Heaven                     (Nintendo)    {2011-07-21}
2011-07-10   391,172  /    391,172 -[PS3]Yakuza: Of the End                (SEGA)        {2011-06-09}
2011-08-21   383,015  /  1,922,243 -[WII]Wii Party                         (Nintendo)    {2010-07-08}
2011-08-28   375,882  /  5,290,695 -[NDS]Pokemon Black / White             (Pokemon Co.) {2010-09-18}
2011-06-26   368,527  /    928,495 -[WII]Donkey Kong Country Returns       (Nintendo)    {2010-12-09}
2011-06-26   364,881  /    364,881 -[PSP]Super Robot Wars Z 2nd: Hakai-Hen (Bandai Namco){2011-04-14}

Nintendogs+Cats has the best legs (on the numbers I have available):

First week / LTD ratio.

{2011-02-26} [b]  22% [/b] [3DS] Nintendogs + Cats...                    (Nintendo)    -  68,973 / 307,376
{2011-03-31} [b]  27% [/b] [3DS] Naruto Shippuden 3D: The New Era        (Takara Tomy) -   7,066 /  26,067
{2011-02-26} [b]  28% [/b] [3DS] Pro Evolution Soccer 2011 3D            (Konami)      -  26,222 /  95,022
{2011-02-26} [b]  32% [/b] [3DS] Tobidasu! Puzzle Bobble 3D              (Square Enix) -   8,885 /  27,610
{2011-02-26} [b]  33% [/b] [3DS] Samurai Warriors: Chronicles            (Koei Tecmo)  -  43,044 / 132,241
{2011-02-26} [b]  33% [/b] [3DS] Super Street Fighter IV: 3D Edition     (Capcom)      -  38,557 / 115,586
{2011-04-14} [b]  34% [/b] [3DS] Pro Baseball Spirits 2011               (Konami)      -  12,071 /  35,698
{2011-04-14} [b]  35% [/b] [3DS] Pilotwings Resort                       (Nintendo)    -  27,729 /  78,622
{2011-02-26} [b]  36% [/b] [3DS] Ridge Racer 3D                          (Bandai Namco)-  34,663 /  95,665
{2011-02-26} [b]  36% [/b] [3DS] Professor Layton and the Mask of Miracle(Level 5)     - 117,589 / 322,206

 

[DownLikeBCPowder]

Going to be very interesting to watch the 3DS sales over the next few months.. I look forward quite eagerly.

 

[enishi]

New Love Plus will be released on 8 Dec...

It looks like Dec is not crazy enough......

 

[thestopsign]

When is Metal Gear Solid 3DS getting released, and when it does, how much of an impact will it have? There isn't really any precedent for ports in the MGS franchise besides Twin Snakes.

 

[BishopLamont]

Just checked, 500k was the shipped figure it seems.

But the total number of Nintendogs is 21.5 millions WW in 2009 according to this:

http://www.gamasutra.com/php-bin/news_index.php?story=22095

I have no idea why you pull out WW numbers out for a game that sold its majority in EU/USA to show how well its doing in Japan, which happens to be the same game thats been the top seller on the 3DS. Your initial guess of Nintendogs selling 500k on the first week shows how uninformed you are regarding Japanese sales. Everyone knows Nintendogs took a long, long time to get to even 1 million sold.

 

[Daschysta]

A "few" people, and "only" in gaf? Come on. The move puts Nintendo at bad position at best and it's plainly idiotic at worse, even the most ardent Nintendo fan would acknowledge this is an attempt of covering a fuck up (another one with 3DS).

Said that, I don't think it will have any immediate effect on Japanese sales. But it shows a very erratic Nintendo and that is unusual of them, especially in the handheld space. BTW, some of you are putting a lot of faith in big names, and history shows that Nintendo can't always rely on big names to save the day, they need to be superlative games and have the necessary impact, or it will be Gamecube all over again.

So far, we have seen a multimillionaire name (Nintendogs) transformed in a no event. So I wouldn't be so confident about "monster sales" (I reckon is likely and the catalogue is potentially vert strong, but let's see what happens.)

Nintendo never had the 3rd party support 3DS has on the gamecube.

Their rolling out like 3 of the top 5 highest selling franchises in japan... All exclusive versions in kingdom hearts, monster hunter, and dragon quest not to mention a ton of other japanese support coming up... The gamecube analogy is bad because nintendo doesn't have to carry the system on its own, 3rd parties are on board in greater and greater frequency.

 

[cw_sasuke]

New Love Plus will be released on 8 Dec...

It looks like Dec is not crazy enough......

Source ? But wow if true....
Street Pass Mania incoming with this high-profile 3ds titles...

 

[enishi]

Source ? But wow if true....
Street Pass Mania incoming with this high-profile 3ds titles...

The Konami mobile website posted it accidentally which is already taken down...

 

[onken]

Pretty good hold for 3DS.

PS3 doing pretty well too. It has a new advertising campaign going on right now, TV/train station posters etc. so that's probably helping too.

 

[Alexios]

3DS needs games, the holiday season should be crazy good for it but I imagine it will slow down a lot the coming weeks before stuff like the Mario games hit.

 

[mutsu]

Crazy December is getting more crazy...

Mario Kart 7
New Love Plus
Monster Hunter 3G
Inazuma Eleven GO

Not to mention Super Mario 3D Land in November...

That is a killer holiday line up. It is going to do a major blow to PS Vita's launch.

 

[onken]

That is a killer holiday line up. It is going to do a major blow to PS Vita's launch.

It damn well better or they should give up and start again.

 

[Mpl90]

The Konami mobile website posted it accidentally which is already taken down...

WHAT
If this is true... oh my.
Easter, here we go again!

 

[wrowa]

A "few" people, and "only" in gaf? Come on. The move puts Nintendo at bad position at best and it's plainly idiotic at worse, even the most ardent Nintendo fan would acknowledge this is an attempt of covering a fuck up (another one with 3DS).

No one else knows. And when they know of it eventually, most other people probably will think "Oh cool, an attachment for playing Monster Hunter at home" and not "OMG Nintendo's freaking out!".

People on internet forums are taking games way too seriously (me included!). I can't even begin to understand why anyone would think that the attachment would affect 3DS sales negatively.

 

[Mpl90]

It crossed 1 million this year a week behind this issue, but at least they are paying attention.

Top YTD 2011
(first column is up to when the LTD is)

2011-08-28 1,009,176  /  4,490,165 -[PSP]Monster Hunter Freedom 3          (Capcom)      {2010-12-01}
2011-07-31   492,488  /    492,488 -[NDS]Dragon Quest Monsters: Joker 2 Pro(Square Enix) {2011-03-31}
2011-06-26   454,522  /    454,522 -[PSP]Dissidia 012 Final Fantasy        (Square Enix) {2011-03-03}
2011-06-26   443,873  /    443,873 -[PS3]Dynasty Warriors 7                (Koei Tecmo)  {2011-03-10}
2011-08-28   419,938  /    419,938 -[WII]Rhythm Heaven                     (Nintendo)    {2011-07-21}
2011-07-10   391,172  /    391,172 -[PS3]Yakuza: Of the End                (SEGA)        {2011-06-09}
2011-08-21   383,015  /  1,922,243 -[WII]Wii Party                         (Nintendo)    {2010-07-08}
2011-08-28   375,882  /  5,290,695 -[NDS]Pokemon Black / White             (Pokemon Co.) {2010-09-18}
2011-06-26   368,527  /    928,495 -[WII]Donkey Kong Country Returns       (Nintendo)    {2010-12-09}
2011-06-26   364,881  /    364,881 -[PSP]Super Robot Wars Z 2nd: Hakai-Hen (Bandai Namco){2011-04-14}

Nintendogs+Cats has the best legs (on the numbers I have available):

First week / LTD ratio.

{2011-02-26} [b]  22% [/b] [3DS] Nintendogs + Cats...                    (Nintendo)    -  68,973 / 307,376
{2011-03-31} [b]  27% [/b] [3DS] Naruto Shippuden 3D: The New Era        (Takara Tomy) -   7,066 /  26,067
{2011-02-26} [b]  28% [/b] [3DS] Pro Evolution Soccer 2011 3D            (Konami)      -  26,222 /  95,022
{2011-02-26} [b]  32% [/b] [3DS] Tobidasu! Puzzle Bobble 3D              (Square Enix) -   8,885 /  27,610
{2011-02-26} [b]  33% [/b] [3DS] Samurai Warriors: Chronicles            (Koei Tecmo)  -  43,044 / 132,241
{2011-02-26} [b]  33% [/b] [3DS] Super Street Fighter IV: 3D Edition     (Capcom)      -  38,557 / 115,586
{2011-04-14} [b]  34% [/b] [3DS] Pro Baseball Spirits 2011               (Konami)      -  12,071 /  35,698
{2011-04-14} [b]  35% [/b] [3DS] Pilotwings Resort                       (Nintendo)    -  27,729 /  78,622
{2011-02-26} [b]  36% [/b] [3DS] Ridge Racer 3D                          (Bandai Namco)-  34,663 /  95,665
{2011-02-26} [b]  36% [/b] [3DS] Professor Layton and the Mask of Miracle(Level 5)     - 117,589 / 322,206

Famitsu numbers updated for lots of games!
Yeah!Thanks Road!

Edit: I know that maybe I'm asking too much, but could you post the numbers you know for the following 3DS games:

Famista
Gundam
Dead or Alive
One Piece
Resident Evil
Steel Diver

Please?
Thanks in advance for your answer!

 

[Acosta]

I have no idea why you pull out WW numbers out for a game that sold its majority in EU/USA to show how well its doing in Japan, which happens to be the same game thats been the top seller on the 3DS.

To illustrate how a big name can be easily reduced to a much smaller scale without the right strategy/hardware. Japanese or WW.

It´s a sequel, it should be a huge seller from the beginning and many people here expected it to be a huge seller able to carry the 3DS, which didn't happen.

 

[Acosta]

No one else knows. And when they know of it eventually, most other people probably will think "Oh cool, an attachment for playing Monster Hunter at home" and not "OMG Nintendo's freaking out!".

People on internet forums are taking games way too seriously (me included!). I can't even begin to understand why anyone would think that the attachment would affect 3DS sales negatively.

People are saying the movement is idiotic and the peripheral looks terribad, and they are angry about the very likely perspective that we will see a revision of 3DS sooner tham later (yes StuBurns, I know it didn't happen, but you'll be agree that scenario is more likely today than later). I don't see many people arguing about sales regarding to it. As I said, it just shows an unfocused Nintendo without a clear strategy for 3DS.

 

[Nuclear Muffin]

Monster Hunter has dropped off massively.

3DS is holding on very nicely. Next week's announcements should help keep interest high as well.

 

[Acosta]

Nintendo never had the 3rd party support 3DS has on the gamecube.

Their rolling out like 3 of the top 5 highest selling franchises in japan... All exclusive versions in kingdom hearts, monster hunter, and dragon quest not to mention a ton of other japanese support coming up... The gamecube analogy is bad because nintendo doesn't have to carry the system on its own, 3rd parties are on board in greater and greater frequency.

Nintendo had Resident Evil 4, the whole Capcom 5 thing, the Metal Gear Solid Remake, and all their big names, Mario, Mario Kart, etc, etc and it didn't worked. It can happen again.

BTW, Nintendo doesn't have Dragon Quest for 3DS so far, and about Kingdom Hearts and Monster Hunter, it´s very likely they won't have them as exclusives.

 

[Alexios]

Resident Evil 4 came long after the generation had taken its course, and Capcom 5 never even materialised. That's not exactly the same as having actual games like the ones mentioned early in the generation. And yes, Nintendo always have their own franchises, that tend to sell great, and tend to ensure their profitability even when they aren't doing so well in comparison to the other platforms. What they tend to lack is third party support, but 3DS is starting to look much better these days.

Monster Hunter will be exclusive for a while at the very least, unless Capcom wants to deliberately harm its sales potential, but I don't see why they'd do that. They took their time with Tri after Unite/2G and then took their time with Portable 3rd, and then took their time with Tri G. A new game is bound to appear at some point, maybe on Vita for all we know, but that doesn't mean Tri G will suffer for it, depending on what and when it is. Even announcing a Portable 3rd G (rather than an insignificant direct port of 3rd), depending on the included content, could make fans want both the games rather than have one appear as the superior choice worth waiting and skipping Tri G for.

What really matters is they seem to be getting the type of games they lacked in the past, on top of what they always do best, so while the market can be tougher to crack in the face of new competition and market conditions it's certainly looking like things can still go well for them, even if they stagger compared to previous generations.

 

[wrowa]

People are saying the movement is idiotic and the peripheral looks terribad, and they are angry about the very likely perspective that we will see a revision of 3DS sooner tham later (yes StuBurns, I know it didn't happen, but you'll be agree that scenario is more likely today than later). I don't see many people arguing about sales regarding to it. As I said, it just shows an unfocused Nintendo without a clear strategy for 3DS.

"People" is such a wide term. Makes it sound as if you are talking about millions of people worldwide, when in fact we are talking about a couple of thousand forum posters. Apart of them no one cares -- not only because they don't know, but also because non-enthusiasts happen to be the more reasonable people. They don't jump to conclusions as quickly as we do.

Also, the recent announcement will help 3DS sales in Japan and nothing else. Honestly. They announced an attachment that's supposed to feel like the CCPro, so that Monster Hunter can be played home console style. Which is not a big deal, if there didn't happen to be some more-or-less reliable rumours beforehand and the "panic" of a new re-design. What matters most is the announement of MH Tri-G. It's a new major game in the series which is a big deal.

Nintendo had Resident Evil 4, the whole Capcom 5 thing, the Metal Gear Solid Remake, and all their big names, Mario, Mario Kart, etc, etc and it didn't worked. It can happen again.

Regarding their big games: There's a huge difference between the Gamecube era and the current situation. Thanks to the Wii and the DS the Mario franchise is currently more popular than ever, while the franchises were already on a decline during the N64 generation (which naturally isn't a good starting point for the successor hardware).

BTW, Nintendo doesn't have Dragon Quest for 3DS so far, and about Kingdom Hearts and Monster Hunter, it´s very likely they won't have them as exclusives.

Monster Hunter won't be exlusive to the 3DS, no. But it doesn't even matter so much. If the rumoured MH3rd HD port for the Vita is really nothing but a port, Nintendo has the better game on the cards -- for now.

 

[Celine]

Nintendo had Resident Evil 4, the whole Capcom 5 thing, the Metal Gear Solid Remake, and all their big names, Mario, Mario Kart, etc, etc and it didn't worked. It can happen again.

BTW, Nintendo doesn't have Dragon Quest for 3DS so far, and about Kingdom Hearts and Monster Hunter, it´s very likely they won't have them as exclusives.

lol Capcom 5.
One was cancelled, three were nich games while RE4 ( the only that could have sold well ) took forever to release and Capgod announced the PS2 version before the GC one was available.
MGSTS was a remake made by a bunch canadians when PS2 users already got the awaited sequel on their system.
FF CC wasn't really a FF game and ToS sold has expected ( in Japan, in western markets it beat expectation ) that mean <500K before getting port to PS2.
Nintendo IP carried the system as always the problem is that you can't do much if a platform already gained the majority of market support.

 

[electroplankton]

Nintendo had Resident Evil 4, the whole Capcom 5 thing, the Metal Gear Solid Remake, and all their big names, Mario, Mario Kart, etc, etc and it didn't worked. It can happen again.

BTW, Nintendo doesn't have Dragon Quest for 3DS so far, and about Kingdom Hearts and Monster Hunter, it´s very likely they won't have them as exclusives.

Resident Evil, Metal Gear Solid and many of the big N games you cited were not out within the first year of the device, which is an important point to consider. I see 3DS overcomes GC results at the beginning of the new year.
We have seen how a constant flow of games (+ a new color, which may be announced during the conference) in June could keep 3DS sales a bit up than usual (35-40k), now that the price is quite aggressive and holidays usually good for Nintendo, I can totally see 3DS putting huge numbers, starting with Mario Land in November and continuing with Monster Hunter, Mario Kart, Inazuma Eleven and Love Plus. Dragon Quest will be out in November anyway, it's a Rocket Slime episode, which on DS almost reached 400k copies.

 

[Spiegel]

3DS is going to have four M+ selling franchises at the very least released in the span of two months or so and it'll be the cheaper console console in the market, 10000Y cheaper than the two biggest competitors to be precise.

If 3DS doesn't destroy the competition this holiday season, Nintendo better go find another job outside of the gaming industry.

 

[Erethian]

There's no analogy to the PS2 in this situation, so the GC comparison doesn't stand up in that sense either.

It's the price of the Vita lauching 8-9 months later than the 3DS in Japan, that Nintendo has had plenty of time to resolve what were the two main issues with the 3DS without having to worry about a competing system capitalising on their mistakes.

Now they're going into the holidays at a great hardware price with a great lineup of system-selling games. Honestly the main concern now is that they maintain a steady supply of new titles past the holiday period.

 

[Kenka]

3DS is going to have four M+ selling franchises at the very least released in the span of two months or so and it'll be the cheaper console console in the market, 10000Y cheaper than the two biggest competitors to be precise.

If 3DS doesn't destroy the competition this holiday season, Nintendo better go find another job outside of the gaming industry.

It's pretty seltdom to see you exaggerating. Line-up for the holidays is good. It's up to Nintendo's marketing division to get their thoughts right and take in consideration the critical nature of this season.
I hope they can come with a very good promo campaign and manage to catch the interest of the masses even though we know about the upcoming redesign version of the console for next year.

But Nintendo may have other plans like defintetely zapping off the 3DS and launch a Game Boy Ultimate next year.

 

[Kosma]

If Nintendo announces a new 3DS sales will plummet again.

 

[wrowa]

It's pretty seltdom to see you exaggerating. Line-up for the holidays is good. It's up to Nintendo's marketing division to get their thoughts right and take in consideration the critical nature of this season.
I hope they can come with a very good promo campaign and manage to catch the interest of the masses even though we know about the upcoming redesign version of the console for next year.

But Nintendo may have other plans like defintetely zapping off the 3DS and launch a Game Boy Ultimate next year.

They have four of the biggest Japanese gaming franchises coming to the 3DS this holiday; if that's considered good, I don't know what else they are supposed to pull off to have a great line-up.

 

[Acosta]

"People" is such a wide term. Makes it sound as if you are talking about millions of people worldwide, when in fact we are talking about a couple of thousand forum posters. Apart of them no one cares -- not only because they don't know, but also because non-enthusiasts happen to be the more reasonable people. They don't jump to conclusions as quickly as we do.

Are you sure of that? Let's see:

Kotaku: Nintendo 3DS Circle Pad Add-on is Real, Here’s Your First Horrifying Look

IGN: What the Heck is Nintendo Thinking?

Gamasutra: "Opinion: 'Expansion Slide Pad' Reflects Lack Of Confidence In 3DS"

I could go on, and the twitters of editors are not much better or worse. Even people like Jeremy Parish, who agree there is an excessive overreaction to this, think the thing is hard to believe.

I would say that it wasn't well received by people dedicated to videogames, don't you think?

That said, I agree once again that I don't think it will affect sales, and having a Monster Hunter is always good (I think some of you are overselling it a bit, especially not having online or character transfer options).

Regarding their big games: There's a huge difference between the Gamecube era and the current situation. Thanks to the Wii and the DS the Mario franchise is currently more popular than ever, while the franchises were already on a decline during the N64 generation (which naturally isn't a good starting point for the successor hardware).

About that, I don't think people forgot about Mario, Mario Kart and so in GC times, it was a matter of Nintendo failing to develop them in a way they could find the right audience. Mario is popular isn't? But Mario Galaxy don't sell the same than New Super Mario bros, and that's because something.

The question is if Nintendo can find again the expanded audience in a world of cheap apps and tablets. The second analog shows, to me at least, they are not so confident on that matter.

 

[Erethian]

They have four of the biggest Japanese gaming franchises coming to the 3DS this holiday; if that's considered good, I don't know what else they are supposed to pull off to have a great line-up.

Pokemon, mainline DQ, and mainline FF wouldn't hurt either.

Oh and a new multi-million selling casual IP while they're at it.

And a new Gran Turismo.

 

[Alexios]

especially not having online or character transfer options.

Not an issue at all for Japan, the series exploded after ditching online in favor of handheld local coop. I want online for myself but its exclusion won't be what affects the sales, and the title's power in general, only the lower install base (naturally, the first PSP game, while more successful than the PS2 games, didn't do nearly as good as the later/est).

As for your "journalists" and stuff, what's your point? The dude you were responding to didn't make any claims of the accessory being well received. He only said that the only people making theories about its negative effects on the platform as a whole are people like us (me too), which include those "journalists". That, for now, is true.

 

[Celine]

About that, I don't think people forgot about Mario, Mario Kart and so in GC times, it was a matter of Nintendo failing to develop them in a way they could find the right audience. Mario is popular isn't? But Mario Galaxy don't sell the same than New Super Mario bros, and that's because something.

The question is if Nintendo can find again the expanded audience in a world of cheap apps and tablets. The second analog shows, to me at least, they are not so confident on that matter.

I disagree.
For consolidated IP ( and the way Nintendo use them carefully ) there isn't much space for growth...
...outside of the system popularity itself.
Every Nintendo IP got a boost in sales on Wii compared to GC ( who less who more ) but that was due to the popularity of the platform compared to the predecessor.

GC was dead on arrival, a case of too few too late that is the principal culprit of Nintendo console decline over generation from the NES onward ( surely dictated by Yamauchi for economic returns ).

Also Mario 3D and Mario 2D aren't part of the same series because they have different gameplay.

The new experiences for expanded audience ( that are hard to develop ) are the ones with big chance of growth but those , for now, are lacking on 3DS.

EDIT:

3DS is going to have four M+ selling franchises at the very least released in the span of two months or so and it'll be the cheaper console console in the market, 10000Y cheaper than the two biggest competitors to be precise.

If 3DS doesn't destroy the competition this holiday season, Nintendo better go find another job outside of the gaming industry.

Mario,Kart, TriG and ?

 

[Anasui Kishibe]

.....people measure that sort of thing?

I thought everyone did

 

[Mpl90]

I disagree.
For consolidated IP ( and the way Nintendo use them carefully ) there isn't much space for growth...
...outside of the system popularity itself.
Every Nintendo IP got a boost in sales on Wii compared to GC ( who less who more ) but that was due to the popularity of the platform compared to the predecessor.

GC was dead on arrival, a case of too few too late that is the principal culprit of Nintendo console decline over generation from the NES onward ( surely dictated by Yamauchi for economic returns ).

Also Mario 3D and Mario 2D aren't part of the same series because they have different gameplay.

The new experiences for expanded audience ( that are hard to develop ) are the ones with big chance of growth but those , for now, are lacking on 3DS.

EDIT:

Mario,Kart, TriG and ?

Inazuma Eleven
For the beginning of next year ( 3 months ), we have already Luigi, Animal Crossing, RE, MGS, FF Theatrhythm, maybe Paper Mario

 

[lunchwithyuzo]

Mario,Kart, TriG and ?

Inazuma Eleven, Super Mario

 

[Celine]

Inazuma Eleven
For the beginning of next year ( 3 months ), we have already Luigi, Animal Crossing, RE, MGS, FF Theatrhythm, maybe Paper Mario

Well, I know that first two sold more than 1 million but I'm not so sure the third one will do the same ( regardless it will sell good ).
Animal Crossing on the other hand ...

 

[lunchwithyuzo]

Well, I know that first two sold more than 1 million but I'm not so sure the third one will do the same ( regardless it will sell good ).
Animal Crossing on the other hand ...

IE1 only sold around 400k. It's IE2-3 (all versions combined) that were million sellers.

 

[Alexios]

He's just talking brand power, many of these games may (and most likely will) not sell as good as they potentially could elsewhere (like DS/PSP) given the install base difference but they can help the platform grow and cultivate an audience that will, at some point, give those kinds of sales for sequels and other games of similar popularity.

 

[Celine]

IE1 only sold around 400k. It's IE2-3 (all versions combined) that were million sellers.

My bad, meant to write "last two".