Lord_Byron28
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Considering the last 2D Mario handheld game sold nearly 6 million. I think Nintendo would be extremely foolish to not release a 2D Mario on 3DS.
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Media Create Sales: Week 49, 2011 (Dec 05 - Dec 11)
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Considering the last 2D Mario handheld game sold nearly 6 million. I think Nintendo would be extremely foolish to not release a 2D Mario on 3DS.
A perfect PacMan
lunchwithyuzo
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Waka Waka
Jaded Alyx
Member
I'd love to see a reappearance of the other pac-man charts.
I'm not sure Dragon Quest Monsters is a guaranteed million seller. It'll do well and it might reach a million, but it's pretty hard to say. It is a remake of a spinoff after all. The original only did 2 million and the recent DQM games have been in the 1.5M range so to expect it to do nearly as well as a new game or as a mainline remake is a bit optimistic. I'd guess more like in the 600-800k range
lunchwithyuzo
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Yikes! Okay, I was way off... I think I might've been thinking Dissidia maybe?
Well, yeah, but that's a looooooooooong ways off.
lunchwithyuzo
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It's basically continuing on from Joker 2 in terms of monsters and mechanics, I expect pretty much the same fanbase to keep going with it. I'd also argue DQ4-6 DS aren't really remakes but conversions (like DQ1-3 GBC), though some have been based off remakes rather than the originals (1-3 GBC based off the SFC remakes, 4/5 DS based off the PS1/PS2 remakes).
If DQVII 3DS exists and it is a full remake (unlike the GBC/DS ones), I think it'll be HUGE. Maybe even 2m huge.
I knew Zelda was more popular outside of Japan by a wide margin but that's just sad to see it drop off so quickly. Hopefully it picks up the closer we get to Christmas and perhaps after that.
Perhaps this is why Nintendo via Miyamoto is publicly talking about how Retro Studios might be a good fit to tackle the series at some point. Nintendo has tried to attract the Japanese gamer more and more with each version, at least for the consoles games, and it doesn't seem to be working. Even if handhelds are more popular then consoles other console games from Nintendo seem to do well. Maybe it's just Zelda in general. Or they don't like it on consoles. Perhaps to time consuming compared to other games. Rather be able to play it whenever? I assume that's part of why Monster Hunter became so popular (I know local multiplayer was a big part as well.) on the PSP compared to the original console versions. Where Ocarina of Time 3D ends up should be telling I think. Then the big test will be the new 3DS Zelda. If those don't do well then perhaps they need to stop focusing it's design on the Japanese market. Give it a more worldwide appeal since that is where it sells the most.
Edit: Reworded what I wanted to say better.
Perhaps this is why Nintendo via Miyamoto is publicly talking about how Retro Studios might be a good fit to tackle the series at some point. Nintendo has tried to attract the Japanese gamer more and more with each version, at least for the consoles games, and it doesn't seem to be working. Even if handhelds are more popular then consoles other console games from Nintendo seem to do well. Maybe it's just Zelda in general. Or they don't like it on consoles. Perhaps to time consuming compared to other games. Rather be able to play it whenever? I assume that's part of why Monster Hunter became so popular (I know local multiplayer was a big part as well.) on the PSP compared to the original console versions. Where Ocarina of Time 3D ends up should be telling I think. Then the big test will be the new 3DS Zelda. If those don't do well then perhaps they need to stop focusing it's design on the Japanese market. Give it a more worldwide appeal since that is where it sells the most.
Edit: Reworded what I wanted to say better.
Colonel Mustard
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Could someone repost the HW totals please? I'm viewing from Secondapps and they're not visible to me. 
I'd really appreciate it!
I'd really appreciate it!
Dr. Feel Good
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I don't think think the artistic style has ever tried to cater directly to Japan, but rather appeal to both kids and adults, at least in the case for Wind Waker. If anything Twilight Princess appealed directly to the West.
Not a chance. Mario Kart will win the race.
Could someone repost the HW totals please? I'm viewing from Secondapps and they're not visible to me.
I'd really appreciate it!
Had the same issue earlier on my phone - here you go:
3DS 350.321
PSP 51.191
WII 46.018
PS3 44.661
NDS 6.630
360 3.211
PS2 1.268
Even if Monster Hunter has a blue shell?
Colonel Mustard
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Thank you! Much appreciated.
Expected huge 3DS sales. Big PSP numbers too. Crazy considering the imminent Vita launch.
GameplayWhore
Member
Does it mean that consumers are crazy for Sony handhelds in general (ergo Vita will do wonderfully) or that consumers aren't that interested in the Vita (ergo opposite of other parenthetical)?
airmangataosenai
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No, SS definitely carries a lot of anime tropes which I found pretty striking in the intro section: Zelda is now a childhood friend who goes to school with you and lectures you about not taking things seriously, Link's "Rival" is a bully with a crush on her. It's not just the art style, there was a conscious effort to tweak the story and style to appeal to a Japanese audience but it just didn't hit the mark for whatever reason.
Well, how was ds doing before 3Ds was released?
lunchwithyuzo
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Re: PSP/Vita, how have previous PS systems sold in the week before it's successor launched (ie: PS1 before PS2, PS2 before PS3)?
lunchwithyuzo
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Hard to compare due to time of year when 3DS launched. The December before, DS was selling more than PSP is now though.
Garpah is just a few clicks away:
http://garaph.info/weeklyoverview.php//week/2000-02-21
Just change the date.
http://garaph.info/weeklyoverview.php//week/2000-02-21
Just change the date.
lunchwithyuzo
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Thanks. I'd forgotten PS2 was a spring launch, that makes any comparison there iffy as well. PS3 might be better, but it launched earlier than I remembered too (mixed it and Wii up I guess).
Colonel Mustard
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I don't believe it's indicative of either, really. The holiday season, coupled with the fact that the PSP still gets new software would account for the hardware spike. In my opinion, at least.
Nintendo effectively killed the original DS when the 3DS launched, something Sony doesn't seem to be doing with the Vita/PSP. We'll only be able to assess either of those points after the holiday season.
Dr. Feel Good
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PoS 18,841
N-Gage come out Japan, and it sold that much?
What in the world is PoS stand for?
lunchwithyuzo
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PocketStation
Dr. Feel Good
Banned
I had no idea it put up respectable numbers like that. Bizarre.
Piece of Shit.
I know, too easy...I couldn't resist
EDIT: And you had your answer even two times in a row.
Brings back memories.
Time to bench Zelda, sadly.
Here's the same list with the Vita :
Rush2thestart
Member
Is Skyward Sword tracking the same as Twilight Princess still?
you mean first week, right?
maybe it well end up selling 800k! nah that was another game.
Nope. It's just like this in Japan. Though I wouldn't put it past Nintendo to do that because they do make decisions with only Japan in mind regardless if a franchise (or situation is different) is more popular and sells more outside of it.
However, the Vita does seem to have a good, healthy variety of lower and mid tier games that can sell 40k-300k, depending.
What it really does lack (as you sarcastically referenced here) is the 500k+ sellers, let alone 1M+ sellers. Speaking purely of Japan, there just doesn't seem to be very many big games coming to the Vita in the near future or on the distant horizon.
I think this will be an interesting case study of software sales. I personally believe that the vast majority of system hardware is sold on the backs of the top 5% of games, with the huge number of 150k sellers or 50k sellers subsisting off of users who buy the system for (for example) Final Fantasy, then also buy Tales of ____, because it's a similar type of game and they already have the system. If I am correct, then the Vita may struggle; if I were Sony, I'd trade every single one of those good-but-not-great sellers for a single great seller if I had the chance.
If I am wrong, however -- and I very well could be! -- then the Vita's success will be informative. It will suggest that a wide variety of AA games can push a system even when the AAA games are lacking.
Beside HSG 6 and mayyybe DW, which game could possibly reach the 200-300k range?
To be quite honest, I see nothing onthe Vita right now (at least in Japan) to drive sales.
After seeing Uncharted performance on PS3 in Japan, I would adds UC:Vita to the list of titles that could possibly see the 250k range.
It sold 150k on the PS3 what makes you think it would do 100k more on the brand new Vita?
jeremy1456
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Perhaps Persona 4 the Golden? How did P3P perform?
-Pyromaniac-
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We hardly knew yee Vita
But yeah sony badly needs "that game" that can sell 500K+ in Japan.
But yeah sony badly needs "that game" that can sell 500K+ in Japan.
P3P did 210k (best and regular releases combined), there's no chance of P4P doing 250k. (for reference Persona 4 did 315k (regular and best combined) on PS2)
It's a handheld system. Lots of franchises do more on handhelds than they do on consoles in Japan. It isn't a slam dunk (because the Vita is a new system, as you note) but it does strike me as a possibility.
Regardless, the discussion is moot. I said low to mid range; I also said 40k-300k. Then, for some reason, you narrowed that down to a discussion exclusively about mid range games, and exclusively about games doing 200-300k.
My point was that Vita has a variety of games that can do 40k-300k and be appealing "AA" franchises -- but these are typically viewed as supplemental games to flesh out a library, rather than system sellers in their own right. At least, that's my theory. Vita will be a good living expirement to test that theory.