Hmmm... can only give this one a 1/10. Poor effort, needs improvement.
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Media Create Sales: Week 49, 2011 (Dec 05 - Dec 11)
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Hmmm... can only give this one a 1/10. Poor effort, needs improvement.
Ridleyscott
Banned
TP sucked too. Too its credit, there weren't 80+ million Wiis sold.
Are you lyre?
ItWasMeantToBe19
Banned
Don't the 3D Zeldas sell more than the old-school Zeldas despite a lower userbase?
I can see why the Malstrom-types can claim that no one wants 3D Mario, but this "No one wants puzzle Zelda!" doesn't seem supported by data.
I can see why the Malstrom-types can claim that no one wants 3D Mario, but this "No one wants puzzle Zelda!" doesn't seem supported by data.
Ridleyscott
Banned
Who? What?
The user-base now is more than in the NES days. I've gone over this stuff numerous times. The 3D games sold in more territories as well.
Dash Kappei
Not actually that important
Skyrim at less than 100k on PS3 is anything but "madness", in fact I think it's slightly disappointing even.
Japanese gamers' attention has been shifting more and more towards western developed games as long as it is an uber hyped big release. Battlefield, GTA, Gears 3, COD, Uncharted, all of them have been doing good. Nothing strange to see something hauled as the next GOTY (ugh) in western markets pulling decent numbers in Japan; I was expecting more in line with =110k but it's pretty obvious (also looking at PS3 vs 360 tie ratio, where the latter should have performed with a third of the total sales, tops) that a part of its (savvy) target audience has probably caught up with the game-is-broken shitstorm and you also have 360's numbers adding to the total.
Japanese gamers' attention has been shifting more and more towards western developed games as long as it is an uber hyped big release. Battlefield, GTA, Gears 3, COD, Uncharted, all of them have been doing good. Nothing strange to see something hauled as the next GOTY (ugh) in western markets pulling decent numbers in Japan; I was expecting more in line with =110k but it's pretty obvious (also looking at PS3 vs 360 tie ratio, where the latter should have performed with a third of the total sales, tops) that a part of its (savvy) target audience has probably caught up with the game-is-broken shitstorm and you also have 360's numbers adding to the total.
Rush2thestart
Member
There aren't 80+ million Wii's sold in Japan right now either.
Chet Rippo
Member
Ridleyscott
Banned
In da World. Come out of the denial, Zelda has turned into suck. Not even the Japanese are buying that crap. They had to have been trying to market it to Japan because it certainly wasn't being marketed to the west.
ItWasMeantToBe19
Banned
The NES sold significantly more units than the N64, yet OoT sold way more than the original game, come on, man.
Ridleyscott
Banned
N64 sold in more regions and sold more quickly due to the 3D novelty but it bombed later. OoT came out with no competition and when the hype was still in. Hence it did well. The video-game market had already been well reestablished. Zelda and the initial NES games had to overcome the stigma from the preceding video-game crash in the early 80s. Its not really comparable. For the time LoZ kicked dick - almost 7 million (we don't know the real numbers) for an action/RPG. The only other games like that were Nerdy computer games that weren't popular. Then its sequel had people driving all over the damn place just to get it since there was a shortage. Its sales were gimped due to the chip shortage. OoT didn't even have to do any work, it sold because of the ground-work laid by the originals, the 3D hype and no competition.
Most people didn't even bother to finish that game - I never did. Yet, I played LoZ over and over again till I beat it and it is way harder than OoT. Zelda II was the same. It took a while for us to get it but my neighbor and another kid close-by had it. Then eventually we were able to find a copy. That whole summer is a memory of Zelda II for me. The most epic Zelda game ever.
Yoshi
Headmaster of Console Warrior Jugendstrafanstalt
So you just don't like Zelda? What's the problem if it were selling well (despite it selling well in the USA, I doubt the game will be regarded as a failure by Nintendo, because they knew it would be a tough sell on a nearly dead console).
What's your problem with Zelda being puzzle-oriented? Every game in the series was with only one exception - Zelda II - and that game doesn't even belong to the same genre. If you prefer action rpgs without the need to think, just.... buy them and leave Zelda alone?
You might be on to something there.
electroplankton
Banned
Or perhaps Konami's strategy on Nintendo console is messy? I mena, Winning Eleven was released during the launch, so 9 months. The new one is out after the PS3 version, which is the main one, the same day of Monster Hunter 3G. Mmmh..
Ridleyscott
Banned
No, I love Zelda. I hate PuzZelda. A dead console? Hahaha. That has nothing to do with it.
No, There are no puzzles in either of the first two games. I didn't and still don't even mind them in aLttP. Zelda II is the exact same genre as the first Zelda. It is Action/RPG. I do want to think. I want to think about how I am going to survive and kick-ass.
BS, every single argument you make is pretty much ad hoc? 3D novelty? Really? That's just as valid as me saying the first zelda sold well (worse than TP, OOT) Due to the inclusion of a map in the game, or the "novelty" of the multiple screen open world thing. But I won't do that, because it's a stupid non-sense argument.
Funny that you bring in more diverse markets (which means nothing all that matters are how many systems are out there, not where) but fail to mention the lack of competition, both from games trying similar things and alternative systems and developers to nintendo? Also even the windwaker, which is somewhat subpar, kicks the shit out of the nes zeldas in sales if we were to extrapolate the ratio of buyers to owners to even status.
Also you're argument fails and disregards the fact that Japan in general has shifted away from consoles period, in favor of handhelds. OOT solds remarkably well there for a remake, check the sales for phantom hourglass, and even spirit tracks is healthy by the standards of japan. Japan has been the smallest market for Zelda for a while anyhow, which nintendo obviously recognizes, evidenced by considering allowing Retro to take the lead in the next mainline zelda game. Even so, for a game that requires an additional accessory to play Skyward Sword is kicking ass in America, despite being released on a largely dead system, and set some early sales records for the series if i'm not mistaken.
I'm not against an old-school top down zelda being released on handhelds, i'd like it in fact, but your irrational hatred, and more than that your ridiculous "defense" of your irrational views and hatreds are laughable at best. Top down Zelda doesn't have the nostaligic value or staying power that mario does, to the point where you can simply point to that as an ailment for the series problems (which aren't nearly as big as you make them, they are all still amazing games and sell better than 2D ones as a general rule.
If you're beliefs were valid we'd see things like the oracle games or the minish cap setting the world on fire, yet the sell less than the 3D games, compared to Mario where the gameplay to sales correlation speaks for themselves, beyond even that there are certain expectations consumers have on modern console games that aren't met by a top down zelda that you would try to sell for 60 dollars. Once again, mario is an exception, nothing has it's staying power, not even 2D zelda.
Ridleyscott
Banned
I never said anything about Zelda having to be in 2D. Why do people think that returning Zelda to its original structure has anything to do with 2D vs 3D. It shows that you are disconnected with the essence of the original Zelda titles. The modern Zeldas just have a coat of paint on them that looks like Zelda.
People should just come to terms that a second Zelda on a console sells less than the first, and that consoles are dropping in popularity compared to handhelds in Japan.
We shouldn't be calling all this doom and gloom on Zelda, especially without Dec. NPD numbers. Yeah, yeah this is Japan not USA but clearly Zelda has become a more Western franchise.
And this is a Nintendo title which will have some sort of legs for at least a year. Maybe minute, but it will sell.
We shouldn't be calling all this doom and gloom on Zelda, especially without Dec. NPD numbers. Yeah, yeah this is Japan not USA but clearly Zelda has become a more Western franchise.
And this is a Nintendo title which will have some sort of legs for at least a year. Maybe minute, but it will sell.
electroplankton
Banned
Actually, it opened slightly better than the Winter Games version two years ago. And also the first one started quite low (less than 70k) and then it sold almost 600k. Anyway, there is Wii Party in the chart, and Go Vacation sold quite well so far so I don't think mini-game compilations are down, simply the console where they are usually released has lost some of its steam.
Harvest Moon has never been a niche series on DS.
It sold 100k at worst, with a peak of over 300k, so it has the chance to sell well on 3DS.
Uhm, no. It looks well done, lot of tracks and songs, modes and extra contents.
Has become? Was there ever a time when it was a bigger franchise in Japan than NA?
Maybe in units, but probably not so in % adoption rate at the beginning of the franchise.
I don't have numbers for this, but there is an incomplete chart in this thread.
If you've really been waiting 20 years for a return to LoZ style Zelda, you might as well just give up. That ship sailed when the infinitely superior SNES and Gameboy titles released.
+1
slaughterking
Member
That's debatable.
We'll know soon enough how it plays out, but these preorder numbers have been extremely telling...
The monstrous scope of the disparity between these two numbers is nothing short of alarming, and the gap has just continued to grow with every day that passed. As Spiegel said earlier, it is possible (and likely?) that the gap isn't quite so large at other stores which have better preorder offers - so it is difficult to imagine XIII-2 only selling 1/3 (500k) of XIII's (1.5M) first week sales, as suggested by the comg numbers.
But this is sure shaping up to be an interesting (alarming?!) opening.
I thought you were Burntpork because your avatars are so similar. Then I started reading your post and I was like "huh? This don't sound like him" haha.
Lord Ghirahim
Member
Damn, I need several of those. Time to get that second job.
Nuclear Muffin
Banned
Could we perhaps be looking at a Spirit's Within level bomb after all?...
Fantastical
Death Prophet
If Extreme Escape Adventure doesn't make it over I will cry. And by cry I mean I will be almost as heartbroken as when AAI2 didn't make it over.
Salt in wound for sure.
Times are really crazy in Japan now that I think about it :
- Mainline Final Fantasy game may get outsold by the latest Tales of "".
- The Elder Scrolls explode, The Legend of Zelda backs off like a wimpy in a fight.
- Foreign franchises sell healthy amount of software in the Top 10.
- Fastest selling game on a Nintendo hardware is a third-party game
- Sony's latest hardware's role in this gen is being downplayed hard
If FFXIII-2 really underperforms that much it might be a huge blow for SQEX. The last years they had millionsellers just by porting DQIV-VI or FF3 also Chrono Trigger sold alot and this were just easy ports or low budget remakes. I don´t see this kind of easy money-makers this time around. The only comparable game could be FFX but honestly, I think they chose the wrong platform/s to be as successful as the other mentioned.
It´s really fascinating how Wada announced FFX a week after the MH anouncement without giving it a second thought, instead of just waiting a little more to see how the holiday season plays out, since it doesn´t look like to have been in development back then if the lack of any further informations or material is any indication.
It´s really fascinating how Wada announced FFX a week after the MH anouncement without giving it a second thought, instead of just waiting a little more to see how the holiday season plays out, since it doesn´t look like to have been in development back then if the lack of any further informations or material is any indication.
Bingo. Why is Wada not even considering the market when he made such an important anouncement ? If FFX HD PS3 undersells compared to say, FF XII Revenant Wings (which sold 600k on an equivalent userbase and which was probably less costly to realize) I would seriously question his business strategy and if he has a brain at all.
I hate him, he is useless.
Alexios
Cores, shaders and BIOS oh my!
@Ridleyscott
Why do you feel the urge to keep trashing everyone else's opinion of the game? You've said your piece, people agree with you and people disagree with you, just leave it at that. Bringing up sales data to back up your opinion doesn't mean shit (especially with the way you do this, reaching altogether different reasonings for similar evidence depending on what suits you). This has been explained to you before. I'm sure there are great sellers you dislike and bad sellers you like too. Why latch on such things and try to shove your opinion as more than just an opinion and close to a fact? That's just sad. Especially in thread purely about sales. At least go post your impressions in the SS OT. Oh wait, you can't because you're boycotting the game and all you have against it is screenshots of enemies you dislike and that it's not Zelda 1. Then don't do that.
Why do you feel the urge to keep trashing everyone else's opinion of the game? You've said your piece, people agree with you and people disagree with you, just leave it at that. Bringing up sales data to back up your opinion doesn't mean shit (especially with the way you do this, reaching altogether different reasonings for similar evidence depending on what suits you). This has been explained to you before. I'm sure there are great sellers you dislike and bad sellers you like too. Why latch on such things and try to shove your opinion as more than just an opinion and close to a fact? That's just sad. Especially in thread purely about sales. At least go post your impressions in the SS OT. Oh wait, you can't because you're boycotting the game and all you have against it is screenshots of enemies you dislike and that it's not Zelda 1. Then don't do that.
the whole generation is crazy. so many changes, so many surprises.
XIII-2 is going to bomb and while all the XIII haters will be celebrating, they'll be missing the part where SE will understand that it bombed because people didn't like the changes they did to the sequel (actually hearing the complaints, providing more freedom in traveling, story options, more sidequests, minigames, HD towns, jokes etc.) and would rather have another one like XIII ("40 hour soap opera corridor").
Nuclear Muffin
Banned
jeremy1456
Junior Member
I chalk it more up to the fanbase finally wisening up after several years. 10, to be exact.
Hopefully Square-Enix realizes this, and disassociates itself with the last four sequels in a similar fashion to how Sega has distanced itself from certain Sonic games. This is the only way they can get back on track.
I mean seriously. We don't want less freedom - they've been giving less and less control since X.
holy shit. man, square enix...
i miss the old times. it's nice that they improved the gameplay but making a sequel to a story which was not that interesting in the first place? at least they proved that they can make games in a relative short time.electroplankton
Banned
I DO hope Bravely Default will sell well, more fantasy jRPG please!
Kurosaki Ichigo
Member
You left out where you say its resellers and amazon.co.jp has it priced the same as usual.
But hey, another round of omg bombas titles getting discounted at amazon lolololol, like we didn't have enough last time with Ninokuni and LBX Boost.
electroplankton
Banned
I wouldn't call LBX Boost a bomba, I mean, it'll sell one third of the original being just an expansion.
Kurosaki Ichigo
Member
Its not about calling it whatever, its about claiming amazon to be doing something they are not doing. Just brings misinformation.