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Media Create Sales: Week 50, 2012 (Dec 10 - Dec 16)
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you believe in SteamBox or are you joking?
Kacho
Gold Member
I threw together a few charts to compare Wii U's first two weeks performance to other consoles, for those of you interested:
Of course it's far too early to make any definitive conclusions, and all the consoles had different launch circumstances (holidays/not holidays, shortages/no shortages, etc.), but the console seems to be doing around average on all measures.
Man, I hate being color blind. :/
Still talking about the point about 3DS support next year
The Q1 relative lull is probably also due to logistic / timing reasons ( many titles announced very early still being released). I still remember we were talking about Square Enix not having anything for the platform after Bravely Default, and then DQVII got announced.
I repeat: in Japan time between announcements and releases are usually short, and they're becoming even shorter.
In short: important announcements from third parties on 3DS will come in the future ( even for the next future, Spring), sales on both fronts are too high to be ignored.
The Q1 relative lull is probably also due to logistic / timing reasons ( many titles announced very early still being released). I still remember we were talking about Square Enix not having anything for the platform after Bravely Default, and then DQVII got announced.
I repeat: in Japan time between announcements and releases are usually short, and they're becoming even shorter.In short: important announcements from third parties on 3DS will come in the future ( even for the next future, Spring), sales on both fronts are too high to be ignored.
electroplankton
Banned
Still talking about the point about 3DS support next year
The Q1 relative lull is probably also due to logistic / timing reasons ( many titles announced very early still being released). I still remember we were talking about Square Enix not having anything for the platform after Bravely Default, and then DQVII got announced.
If you look at Animal Crossing: Wild World sales after Christmas, you can understand why Nintendo left January empty
Lord_Byron28
Member
We will have to wait and see. The fact that S-E recently talked about their pillars of success for the future being HD games, MMOs and iOS. I don't think 3DS was mentioned at all. Although i still anticipate dq11 to likely go 3DS.Still talking about the point about 3DS support next year
The Q1 relative lull is probably also due to logistic / timing reasons ( many titles announced very early still being released). I still remember we were talking about Square Enix not having anything for the platform after Bravely Default, and then DQVII got announced.
I doubt anyone was expecting new leaf to perform like it is. Although Animal Crossing, dragon quest 7 and monster hunter 4 wouldve been a sure massacre for anyone trying to release titles in between.If you look at Animal Crossing: Wild World sales after Christmas, you can understand why Nintendo left January empty
DQXI is going to be for 3DS. There's no doubt at all, and still...it doesn't seem SE don't consider the platform as a pillar for success since they're releasing a full-flegged remake of the biggest Dragon Quest ever, contentwise. XD
Lord_Byron28
Member
I was more speaking about when development of DQ11 gets started when I expressed a very very slight uncertainty. Also while DQ is big support, Square Enix gave a lot more support to the DS with a lot of different titles, ips, spinoffs and remakes. We shall see in the end but it seems like their focus will not directly be on 3DS as it was for the DS for a few years.
Exterminieren
Banned
I have a horrible feeling DQ XI will end up as a browser game.
Nooooooooooooooo! They have many more franchises to transform into card games before doing that!!!
Please don't even begin to tempt fate here. No western DQ X and browser based DQ XI is such a depressive thought.
Well, if you look at Square's lineup for the first two years, they've released a lot of titles, and for the next future they have Dragon Quest VII and Gyrozetter RPG. It's obvious there will be more in the future for 3DS. And this talk is even more relevant for other third parties. I'm expecting a good amount of announcements for Spring / beyond that, there's no reason to not expect it.
EDIT: I think one of these announcements will be done in the next 3DS Direct, like the other two times ( Layton 6 and Jam with the Band)
Nah, free to play and iOS.
Here you go. I split each graph into Nintendo and Sony systems, to make it easier to make out what's what.
Cumulative sales:
Weekly sales:
Percentage drop-off:
JoshuaJSlone
Member
It's pretty poor compared to the solo games in each franchise.
Here's its early performance compared to Layton 5 and Ace Attorney Investigations 2, the lowest performers of each franchise (unless you look at the GBA-only sales of the earlier AA games).
It would look worse compared to AA if we were only looking at the mainline games.
3DS, 3DSLL
On paper, Vita doesn't have Monster Hunter, Dragon Quest, Final Fantasy, Metal Gear, Kingdom Hearts, Resident Evil, Yakuza etc. etc. etc.
The only worse idea than the Vita, on paper, was the original Xbox.
"HD Games" for Square Enix are all games that are neither MMOs nor social/mobile games.
Kacho
Gold Member
Wow, didn't expect that. Very kind of you. Many thanks.
But it's got FFXHD (with just a logo)! And Bioshock (not even a logo)! And a tech demo of Metal Gear! And it runs MHP3rd!
It's funny how these red flags were somehow pushed as selling points for the handheld.
Gianni Merryman
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No, I'm not joking and I haven't got any elements to believe in SteamBox, still Valve entering the console market could potentially change things, although it's too early to say.
It should go without saying that sales follow software, but there's still the mentality that a better collection of specs is the better console. Perhaps even Sony believed that if they build it, developers and gamers would come. But we know it doesn't always work out that way.
There is lot of different people on GAF.
Even ones that have never played a Super Mario Bros game as crazy as that could be ( at least on my eyes).
It's getting a boost from the Holiday season, while the other 2 titles were late January or March (launch title).
It will see relatively minor declines in comparison, given that.
Barack Lesnar
Banned
this means it was the highest or lowest drop off?
And if we were thinking Vita was in trouble due to its LTD at its 2nd week instead of how it got to that LTD and when that LTD was set, you'd have a point.
So 95-98K is reasonable, but 101K is totally out of the question.
Nice.
It's the line in the middle without a third point.
metalslimer
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Follow the green line.
Deadly Monk
Banned
I'm still surprised Vita hasn't passed 360's LTD. I thought it would have by now over there.
Father_Brain
Banned
No problem at all.
Pretty much right in the middle. Average second week sales (excluding Wii U) are 38.7% of first week, Wii U's are 42.3% of it's first week.
http://garaph.info/vsarbitrarytwosystems.php?sys[0]=PSV&gr[0]=&tra[0]=Fam&sys[1]=X360&gr[1]=&tra[1]=
"At this week's rates, PSV catches up to X360 in 41.8 weeks (October 5, 2013). If X360 stopped selling and PSV continued at this week's rate, it would catch up in 41.8 weeks (October 5, 2013)."
Edit: just saw Garaph isn't pulling Xbox 360 sales for this week, which is why both situations end in the same date.
I thought DQ X is DQ X, XI, XII, XIII, XIV.
anon_mastermind
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These 3DS sales have got to please investors, right? The stock price (7974) has been in the gutter for a while, if this can't give it a boost, then I doubt the Wii U will. Maybe after the next fiscal report we will see something.
I doubt it considering the western sales.
Nintendo unfortunately doesn't exist in a Japanese bubble. From my layman's point of view, it seems like investors are only going to be happy once they start posting considerable profit margins again. I don't expect nintendo's stock to start to recover until Q3/Q4 of next year.
metalslimer
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And that only depends on if they have to do a slash on Wii U's pricing. It seems like for the past 2 years everytime something goes right for Nintendo another thing has to go wrong. Hopefully for them once they get Wii U and 3DS stabilized that can start posting healthy profits again. Not Wii/DS years of course, but healthy.
Christmas is celebrated, but in a much more muted fashion. However, the big holiday is New Year's, which is one week after Christmas. Therefore, December is still huge for Japan, just not for the same reasons as in the U.S. It also pushes the week after New Year's, when the kids spend their gift cards, toward a big bump for kid-friendly games.
With the recent devaluation of the Yen, Japanese exporters should fair better.
It would kill their financials for the year though (the price drop would have to be recorded as a loss on all existing unsold stock). So it would depend how their fiscal year-end numbers are shaping up overall.
If the numbers are going to be shitty anyway, then yeah - throw in the price drop and just roll the shitty results in with the already other shitty results, and get all the bad news out of the way in the same fiscal year. But if they are trying to show some moderately decent fiscal year numbers to try to inspire some confidence in investors (and they really need to do this after all these years of losses), then there's no way they will want to throw in a huge loss right at the end of the fiscal year to drag down their full-year results, which might have looked okay otherwise.
michaelius
Banned
With one average size game for whole december ?
I know they had no major release but lets say they were doing 7-10k prior to holiday season. Surely it being holiday season alone means they would of expected some sort of bump. I cant accept that 15k would of been that figure, surely they expected more.
Bending_Unit_22
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Yeah, Nintendo is really being hurt 2 ways by the super strong Yen. One is the losses incurred (currency losses were ~$550 million in 2010, ~$350 million last year, and ~$300 million in the first 6 months of this year), and the other is it makes it difficult for Nintendo to cut prices outside of Japan like they desperately need to (sales outside of Japan for the first 6 months accounted for 81% of sales in 2010, 79% in 2011, and 63% in 2012). Sounds like the Bank of Japan is going to be made to set their printing presses to DS, so that should help Nintendo in the next year both with profits and western sales.
This.... game right here... this freaking game man. What was its first week? Those legs are ridiculous. 3DS is starting to really build a nice number of 300k+ sold games. That middle tier of 250k+ sold is very important IMO for a console. There has to be some populated wiggle room in between bombing and a blockbuster.
I dunno man... Does anyone have that info about Handheld sales last year to date versus this years handheld sales? Last time I saw someone post that, handheld sales were slightly below 2011 numbers but the 3DS was pulling all of the weight in 2012 to keep it even, while the PSP had taken a nosedive.
Boss Doggie
all my loli wolf companions are so moe
Wait, why did Pokemon BW2 get a boost? Preparation for Genesect movie distro?