Smiles and Cries
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simple solution for MH is that Capcom finds a way to allow MH Vita to play with MH 3DS crossplatform local play then people would stop this userbase split talk 
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Media Create Sales: Week 50, 2012 (Dec 10 - Dec 16)
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Every single good selling game on Vita will help. And I don't recall saying what you're arguing with. Sony SHOULD be in the process of convincing CAPCOM to release a MH for Vita because it will help. Will it make everyone in Japan buy a Vita? Will it make Vita outsell 3DS? I don't recall saying either of these things. What I implied was that it will help, and that Vita needs games like that, because it does.
I "fear" it's just going to be a 3DS focused feature. Remember they already had a ND about Wii U, specifically about its launch, but nothing on 3DS.
Father_Brain
Banned
This is just silly. The "Capcom ports everything" meme is fairly applicable to certain franchises, true (SF, RE), but it's completely inconsistent with Capcom's handling of the MH franchise to date, and as metalslimer and others have said, there's no conceivable benefit to Capcom from porting it to Vita at this point.
Entirely possible, unfortunately. But it's beyond absurd that we're just over a week away from the new year and still only know of two Japanese third-party titles for the entirety of 2013, one of which will be out at the end of January.
metalslimer
Member
Read charlequins post right above (which I'm saving because it's put really great).
simple solution for MH is that Capcom finds a way to allow MH Vita to play with MH 3DS crossplatform local play then people would stop this userbase split talk
Moneyhat Nintendo lol.
Yeah I was expect to see more on the 3DS lineup because with MH4 gone it's kind of empty. Not one game is releasing in january.
You said Sony should be spending money to convince Capcom. Chances are Nintendo already has a deal in place with Capcom to begin with ( I can only imagine that's probably the reason P3rdHD Vita was cancelled) so they would have to outbid Nintendo. And then they've already spent a signficant amount of money for a multiplatform series.
Hero of Legend
Member
We just got one two weeks ago right? Bi-monthly is every two months right?
Was the last one just for 3DS? I think Wii U was in the JP one, nothing big, it was only focused on the JP launch.
MH2ndG was a delux version of a game people already knew as well, and it went on to become the best selling 3rd party title of all time in Japan, only beaten by it's successor MHP3rd.
MH3 did not sell well enough on Wii to make people not buy it in portable form. That has never stopped the Japanese before. And of course 3DS's userbase is smaller, but that's just apologizing for it's lower sales, not addressing my argument. MH4 will certainly sell better, but implying that the entire MH userbase is on board with 3DS already is absurd.
simple solution for MH is that Capcom finds a way to allow MH Vita to play with MH 3DS crossplatform local play then people would stop this userbase split talk
And that is as impossible as seeing a Super Robot Taisen with licensed mechas ( I mean, main SRT ) being released in the West, with a 10 million $ marketing promotion to hype people and that it sell over one million in its first month just in US. XD
pieatorium
Member
My post was in response to that post I read it and think it is not in line with reality
Father_Brain
Banned
I could be proven wrong, but I believe that was a special Wii U launch-focused installment. The standard bimonthly timing is sometime after the 20th of every other month, a pattern which has yet to be broken.
Hero of Legend
Member
Guyz, I just thought of something.
What if Capcom gets 8ing to make MHG and MH2G, at least, for 3DS? Maybe even with MT Framework Mobile? *drools*
That alone would certainly warrant whatever-dips, just the lighting and shadowing from 3G, and whatever other effects that are improved.
What if Capcom gets 8ing to make MHG and MH2G, at least, for 3DS? Maybe even with MT Framework Mobile? *drools*
That alone would certainly warrant whatever-dips, just the lighting and shadowing from 3G, and whatever other effects that are improved.
Nope. Not to say it did bad because it did fantastic, but there are so many FF / DQ titles which did better than MHP2ndG.
Smiles and Cries
Member
3DS does not need anymore Nintendo Directs unless they are willing to show Zelda 3DS or Pokemon 3DS
If I see one of Luigi's ghost houses I'll scream
I think it is time to show some Japanese 3rd Party Support for Wii U
If I see one of Luigi's ghost houses I'll scream
I think it is time to show some Japanese 3rd Party Support for Wii U
metalslimer
Member
If Capcom really didn't care, MHP3rdHD would have come out on Vita like it was suppoed to and Portable3rdG would have come out on PSP and made them a shit ton of money. They have made a conscious decision to focus on 3DS. It's perfectly in line with reality and fits with everything they have done so far. That might have been a valid criticism 14 months ago, but not now.
Seems kind of extraneous?
electroplankton
Banned
MH3G has already sold 500k units more than what Capcom expected. Your talking is absurd, not Capcom's strategy or the reason why it's on 3DS. Also: Nintendo offers a partnership to bring the IP in the West. Sony doesn't.
Hero of Legend
Member
3DS does not need anymore Nintendo Directs unless they are willing to show Zelda 3DS or Pokemon 3DS
If I see one of Luigi's ghost houses I'll scream
I think it is time to show some Japanese 3rd Party Support for Wii U
Please Nintendo.
So by that you mean that when Vita reaches 2.5-3 million units sold in the next 2 years then its ok to release a Monhun game when 3DS is at 16-20 million and the whol Monhun user base is on it? That sounds really stupid for capcom to release it on Vita
Smiles and Cries
Member
you know this is untapped power... cross-platform vs mode in games could bring a whole new meaning to fanboy lol
yeah well impossible it is
pieatorium
Member
You aren't responding to my post they obviously have a reason for the strategy they have I never said they didn't but I dont believe some kind of benevolence towards the consumer is remotely close to the truth.
DCharlie
And even i am moderately surprised
I think this is basically the key - MH4 is where the big jump will happen, the idea that the MH crowd has all moved over hasn't begun in earnest yet. MH4 will be huge and 3DS sales will be stupidly big at the same time.
The only thing that stops that final nail going in is.... MH4th for Vita , and it would have to be significantly different from MH4 this time and not by a small margin. Their only hope is to somehow tease the remainder of unmoved PSP MH players - and even then, as per metalslimer, it's not a slam dunk -definite- save by any means: the Vita is a dog product and it needs the mother of all turnarounds to shake that image.
If the Vita is to be saved then, realistically, in the 1st Q leading up to Soul Sacrifice and just beyond they need to have something of the magnitude of an MH4 announcement (if not an MH game something like, pulling out of azz, Diablo 3 V (yes, i know - it's bullshit, i'm just trying to find something around that "zomg"), maybe GT5, a price cut, a media price cut, significant signs of a pulse from 3rd parties, significant signs of a pulse from 1st parties....
They need drastic action - but i suspect it won't happen - then the Vita will limp on and never really take hold.
You're assuming sales will continue linearly. If they did for PSP after 2006, it would have never surpassed 8 million, let alone approach 20 million. Sales for Vita could go up, way up. Or it could bomb completely and take 20 years to reach 3 million. Sales are almost never linear.
Also, it doesn't have to be one or the other. My entire point is the Vita is the only system currently out capable of running MH which hasn't gotten it yet. Capcom isn't exclusive to Nintendo, and neither is MH, just like they weren't exclusive to Sony when the MH series sold well on PSP. If it can make it to the 360, it can make it to the Vita. The question is when, and if Sony is willing to shell out money to make Capcom speed up the process.
metalslimer
Member
Actually I think announced FF Type 0 Vita along with Type 1 scheduled for the end of the year would be big. Agreed that if Sony doesn't have something to show before MH4 comes out it will be too late to stop that hype once the day actually comes. Still though MH4th on Vita strikes me about even less likely than DQ9 PSP and we all know how long that argument went on.
Well I guess people will be lining up for the late ports and Frontier games on Vita then because that's the only thing that has made it out of the portables.
I think RTTK WiiU is the only WiiU game I've seen in stores that is actually cheaper to buy the download card.
I always thought stores wouldn't stock cards then.
Then again, it's 8000 yen to 7500 yen, so a rip off either way.
Why is that series always so expensive? I always think about checking it out.
I always thought stores wouldn't stock cards then.
Then again, it's 8000 yen to 7500 yen, so a rip off either way.
Why is that series always so expensive? I always think about checking it out.
electroplankton
Banned
1. given MH4 delay to Summer, a new MH on Vita seems even more unlikely
2. nothing assured that unmoved PSP MH players will move on Vita.
They still need to talk about Wii U Q1 stuff- Game and Wario isn't even dated and that is supposedly "early 2013."
I think we will see one this week like last year.
pieatorium
Member
The only game dated at all for Japan is the FotNS Musou port for Jan 31. No other first or third party games have a release date yet
hardcastlemccormick
Banned
I went back to 2006-era Media Create threads for some arguments, but it looks like I shouldn't have bothered.
Capcom won't put Monster Hunter 4 on the Vita because the platform is dead, and because the series is so local-multiplayer-centric, there wouldn't be any appeal. Why buy a co-op game on the platform where there's nobody playing?
I could see them putting a single player spinoff or branded alternative genre game on the platform in a world where the Vita didn't tank, but resources pumped into the Vita are wasted when you could try literally any other platform (except the 360) and get a far better return on your investment.
Capcom won't put Monster Hunter 4 on the Vita because the platform is dead, and because the series is so local-multiplayer-centric, there wouldn't be any appeal. Why buy a co-op game on the platform where there's nobody playing?
I could see them putting a single player spinoff or branded alternative genre game on the platform in a world where the Vita didn't tank, but resources pumped into the Vita are wasted when you could try literally any other platform (except the 360) and get a far better return on your investment.
DCharlie
And even i am moderately surprised
well, 1 - depends on the timed exclusivity length (if that -is- what it is). But yeah, i'm not particularly holding out for MH on Vita, i'll be there swinging my longsword with the usual team on 3DS come summer.
2. of course, but that's the one possible userbase that Sony could have, should have tried harder to get to upgrade (not just MH, but PSP owners in general) - the Passport mistep seems particularly bad right now - prices are too insane and there had to be a better way. Hell, even a PSP-to-Vita link where you could dump the iso's and have it lock to your Vita. I know it's not as simple as that because a digital version of anything done pre-digital entails a whole load of new licenses etc but hey - the current method of trying to get PSP users who are enjoying super budget second hand games on the PSP over to the Vita by charging them stupid amounts for a digital version is just crazy. Though one thing that might help - free PSP transferes to Vita with PS+ ? Sony would take a hit, but might be worth it.
But yeah - Sony need to get their fingers out.
Capcom (or any other third-party) isn't a charity, they aren't there to help Sony or anyone else out of the mess they've made. Which is what they'd be doing if they released a MH game for Vita, because it certainly wouldn't be of any benefit to Capcom. They'd be better off releasing any game on the 3DS, or even the Wii U because at least then they can do local co-op and savegame transfers like they have with MH3G HD.
Half of the PSP MH games were late ports, the other half were late enhanced ports, with the exception of the last one.
Monster Hunter Portable 3rd G would be pretty big on Vita. It won't be PSP MH big. It won't even be 3DS MH big. But it will sell quite a bit.
Er, wouldn't the best way to increase Vita sales/interest be to just go to a lot of devs and contract them to make exclusive games based off popular franchises they make? (go to Capcom and get MH and RE, Square and FF and KH, etc) then just price dropping the system or something?
No point in releasing Monster Hunter on a dead platform.
Eh, I think a MHP4 that's different from the 3DS game could garner interest in the system. Heck, 360 has gotten slight bumps when the MH game/expansions for it have come out.
You can't just force a company to make titles for the platform.
We are currently seeing SE quite possibly move away from even 3DS and it's booming, why would they want to do make big name exclusive software for a platform that is performing worse then Dreamcast?
Moneyhats aren't always going to get a platform holder what they want. If Sony can't do something to make a company believe they can turn a profit by having a large name Ip or Team develop software for the platform then throwing out cash might not beable to. Also lets forget that not even Sony's A Teams are making exclusive content, so why would SE. Capcom, NB, or Konami do it?
What are the odds on PS3 and 360 hardware streams crossing in Wk51?
Because a combination of games from various developers could motivate other devs to make games for it?
Capcom (or any other third-party) isn't a charity, they aren't there to help Sony or anyone else out of the mess they've made. QUOTE]
Alright I'm done. Virtually every single person who has responded to me hasn't even read my posts
I flat out said SONY should be dishing out the money to CAPCOM for them to make a MH game for Vita. How does this translate into me saying that Capcom should do it for free because they are a charity, or simply to be nice to Sony?
Man oh man.....
Alright I'm done. Virtually every single person who has responded to me hasn't even read my posts
I flat out said SONY should be dishing out the money to CAPCOM for them to make a MH game for Vita. How does this translate into me saying that Capcom should do it for free because they are a charity, or simply to be nice to Sony?
Man oh man.....
No, you supposed whether Sony was willing to shell out money to "speed up the process". Which implies the Vita would get a MH game eventually even without a monetary incentive from Sony.
Yes, but why?
Every major series outside of Monster Hunter and Dragon Quest has grown beyond just Japan at this point.
It would activily hurt a game to develop something like a Metal Gear for Vita when it can be on PS360. A bunch of little games aren't going to move the monsters, and at this point the monsters only hurt themselves by helping Sony in this case.
Resident Evil, Metal Gear, Final Fantasy, and Dark Souls all have large followings in the west and and on Consoles. Why drop both of those to help Vita? Even Sony's check book might not be able to make up the difference to the publishers. This is why I think people who keep screaming moneyhats and the like are being far to narrowminded and not lookig at the big picture.
hardcastlemccormick
Banned
Even if Sony were to fund the entire project, would it even make a splash quickly enough to matter? If it's a port or a cheap cash-in COD Vita style, it won't matter. If it's a full MH game, then it will take a lot of time and the Vita might already be disappearing from store shelves at that point.
But Sony doesn't seem interested in putting very many resources into the Vita right now (they're barely supporting it themselves), and Capcom would be getting a far better ROI by making lots of other projects. And it's not as easy as Sony calling up Capcom and ordering a game like Pizza Hut - resources aren't immediately flexible and easy to reallocate.
Father_Brain
Banned
Agreed. Even if you assume that Sony would be able and willing to pay a majority of development costs - which is probably what an exclusive FF/MGS/MH would take at this point, at minimum - there's still a considerable opportunity cost for third parties to allocate resources away from healthier platforms, and that's even harder for Sony to overcome.
kobashi100
Banned
I honestly cant believe that MH coming to Vita is still being talked about. Why people still hold on to some dream that Capcom will bring the franchise over I dont know.
MH4 being released on the 3DS with dreadful Vita sales has killed off any hope of Vita getting a MH game.
The Japanese PSP crowd has jumped over to the 3DS. Time to accept it and move on!
I love the Vita and want it succeed but I gotta agree here. It's time to discuss the games that Vita is actually getting and we've had quite a few announcments on that font in the past 2 weeks, so there's plenty to discuss.
Hero of Legend
Member
As said before, sorta to help move from the MH on Vita discussion, do you think Capcom will/should bring MHG and MH2G to 3DS coated in chocolate covered teeth-rotting MT Framework Mobile goodness?
I think it'd be a good one to tide over in between major MH games for 3DS, like after MH4 but before MH4G, that sort of thing, it should be much easier to get out the door.
I think it'd be a good one to tide over in between major MH games for 3DS, like after MH4 but before MH4G, that sort of thing, it should be much easier to get out the door.
DR2K
Banned
We all know Capcom is above stupid business decisions.
Baki
Member
...because everyone knows the Vita is ****ed without MH in Japan. But alas, you are right, it's pretty clear MH will not come to the Vita. The question that remains is why was the MHPortable series abandoned? What happened in those board room meetings between SCEJ and Capcom.
Likely becaues with the Main franchise being on Handheld they are already portable. As far as Capcom/Sony, it could nothing and it was Nintendo simply made a better offer. At this point we will probably never.