durrrrrrrrrr
Member
i always laugh when i see something like this. what is a Vita, a miserable pile of secrets? nah it's just a device to play certain types of video games on the bus. and 300 is too much for that, no matter what games are on it.
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i always laugh when i see something like this. what is a Vita, a miserable pile of secrets? nah it's just a device to play certain types of video games on the bus. and 300 is too much for that, no matter what games are on it.
DCharlie
And even i am moderately surprised
that's your take on it (along with a whole batch of the Japanese it seems) but 400k people decided that 300 notes was fair enough.
Also - no matter what - the in price for the Vita isn't going to be 24800/29800 yen, it'll come down over time. People will put their own value on the content, it's down to Sony to provide the justification for people to jump in and that jump in point will be different per person.
Duckhuntdog
Member
Fair enough.
Which is now successful, but too late in the game to make a difference. So to a degree the approach could work, if it was there from the onset. Now Sony may have to languish again.
I do not put much stock into the mythical <insert lifetiime> project. To me this is nothing more than a way to calm stockholders from the coming loses on hardware sales with the hope that profits MAY come down the road at some time. Selling hardware that has completely wiped out all profits from TWO previous generations on the hopes of a 6 year plan? Why not be profitable from day one? Sony cannot just keep making money losing hardware forever in the face of cheaper, profitable, and more agile competitors that can easily step in and grab their users or create new markets that you failed to recognize and cater to.
hardcastlemccormick
Banned
I see people being a little too pessimistic about the Vita's future success, but I don't see anyone actively enjoying it. That seems a little delusional.
The "well this shit is pretty random yo" comebacks are amusing though.
The "well this shit is pretty random yo" comebacks are amusing though.
Unfortunately, no.
Father_Brain
Banned
"Factual" is the key word there. Maybe Square Enix will give Vita exclusive support comparable to what they gave PSP; maybe there are a number of huge third-party exclusives that will be announced in 2012; maybe some new or currently-small IP will have MH-sized success; maybe there really is a vast, as-yet-untapped handheld dudebro demographic that will make Vita a successful second-place machine in the West. None of those are impossible, but all are purely hypothetical right now.
Hasn't sold through its initial shipment yet.
Dynamite Shikoku
Congratulations, you really deserve it!
how many iphones were sold last week?
Thunder Monkey
Banned
No Vita is definitely not dead.
But its heart rate is really low, and it's gasping for air.
It's first year on the market will be telling, but not exactly descriptive of its lifespan overall. It's doubtful... very doubtful, but it still could find itself in that PSP area... but honestly with a lack of MH exclusivity that is a pretty big hurdle.
I don't see how with all we know about it right now it can reach those levels. But stranger things have happened. Pretty much 40 million Wii's were sold in America of all places.
But its heart rate is really low, and it's gasping for air.
It's first year on the market will be telling, but not exactly descriptive of its lifespan overall. It's doubtful... very doubtful, but it still could find itself in that PSP area... but honestly with a lack of MH exclusivity that is a pretty big hurdle.
I don't see how with all we know about it right now it can reach those levels. But stranger things have happened. Pretty much 40 million Wii's were sold in America of all places.
There's always the possibility there are big new Vita titles that are yet to be announced, in which case Sony would want them to be revealed soon, even if it's just a logo.
Though I've always felt those sorts of titles would end up being multiplatform just due to the way Sony first unveiled the system, playing up how easy it was to port console titles to Vita and vice versa. Which could dull any potential hardware pull those titles might have otherwise have had if they were exclusive.
Like would Crisis Core, if it were being made now, be Vita exclusive?
DCharlie
And even i am moderately surprised
well, of course - but one FACT is that : The Vita is -not- dead.
People are dealing in hypotheticals on both sides of the argument in terms of what happens next, but the core argument of RIP Vita is the -least- true statement to date
mythical <lifetime> project? ... erm... really?
because the tech game is unfortunately an ever moving target and being profitable from day one either means you put out the Vita at $400 (then no one buys it) or you go with last gens tech and stick a big price tag on it (YMMV) or you just slum it totally.
I agree that it's a dangerous game for Sony and i predicted EXACTLY what has happened to them back before the PS3 was a twinkle in Kutaragi's eye. However, from my PERSONAL perspective i DO NOT want Nintendo (or whoever) running the tech show based on being profitable from day 1 by keeping us on older tech, i want someone to push the boundaries forward. I'm happy they look to make profit but i -personally- like significant tech jumps along with the games.
Smiles and Cries
Member
Vita is taking all the attention
I cannot wait for the WiiU is dead Media Create week
I thought there was no stock of Wifi only Vitas and people were not willing to shell out extra for the 3G models. At least that was the excuse going around earlier in the thread
I cannot wait for the WiiU is dead Media Create week
I thought there was no stock of Wifi only Vitas and people were not willing to shell out extra for the 3G models. At least that was the excuse going around earlier in the thread
Version 3.0
Member
To be used as dedicated videogame devices? None.
To people who will forever forego dedicated videogame handhelds? Not many, based on 3DS - DS sales comparisons.
In total? A lot.
Vita is taking all the attention
I cannot wait for the WiiU is dead Media Create week
I thought there was no stock of Wifi only Vitas and people were not willing to shell out extra for the 3G models. At least that was the excuse going around earlier in the thread
Some places were sold out but there have not been reports of widespread Wi-Fi model shortages.
LBP for PSP did 20k, last number we had for LBP2 was 31k.
Also we're most likely to hear something from the Dissidia team, so far as potential FF-related announcements go. Since Type-0 only just came out.
Who cares? There's no way to do a direct comparison between a phone and a portable games console.
I really hate people who try to make comparisons. iOS gaming is big, OK, we get it. Your point?
AMoreHumbleSquare
Banned
Yeah, it is. Whether that's b/c of X'mas, or just comes with a quieter seller. Compare XIII-2 historically with the series.
Week 1 vs. 2 and the percentage drop WoW:
MGS and ZOE have already been announced. I'm expecting a sequel to Peace Walker for some reason. Peace Walker sold 400K+ in a week, surprisingly.
Otherwise, Resident Evil?
Well scratch LBP off that list then.
See I don't think Vita is doomed just because its way too soon to say so. But it also doesn't seem like Sony is in a position to drop the price.
I'm assuming that there are some big vita games in the works that take longer to make and so may not be announced yet. But if the Vita is in trouble Sony may make some announcements about future big 1st and 3rd party games to keep consumers interested. A FF spin off and a MGS game could definitely do that.
In the west we could see a fully featured COD game and maybe some GTA game as well. Following the psp there will probably be some GOW entry as well or maybe just cross-platform editions with the ps3 with all or some of these titles.
Edit: I'm behind the times, are the MGS and ZOE hd collections with ps3 and vita editions or something like that?
Smiles and Cries
Member
I did not think this would be so hard. But I have been trying to think of games that would make me drop my 3DS for a Vita. I don't see it yet.
Gravity Daze?
They need new IPs something new. You have to start from somewhere
Pokemon had a starting point.
Monster Hunter had a starting point.
Brain Training came out of left field
Nintendogs was mocked and we ate lots of crow
So something can come out for Vita and go insane with sales. Its a slick high end little system its not dead
The main problem with the Vita is cleary the lack of system sellers or big game.
I mean, the biggest game, I guess, is Uncharted. It was at launch and it will be at the US/EU launch... but after that ?
Sony nearly launched all his games at launch. Hopefully, E3 isn't so far, so, there will be some games unveiled.
I mean, the biggest game, I guess, is Uncharted. It was at launch and it will be at the US/EU launch... but after that ?
Sony nearly launched all his games at launch. Hopefully, E3 isn't so far, so, there will be some games unveiled.
sssstententen
Member
Came here just to agree with you.
It almost makes me sad to see Vita do so poorly. Sony has always done incredibly well on the hardware end of things If only they had a good marketing plan and some decent software to back it up.
It's really an unfair world in that people are clearly 100% willing to churn out money to a clearly lesser product, because of better marketing/appeal. If people were to give the opposition a chance then games just as addictive, widely appealing and enjoyable (in bigger, better looking and more inventive ways) would come out.
Congrats to Nintendo for being the smarter and better company, but I would love to see them fall a bit more, to actually try to reinvent, and for Sony to come out of this mess. But in this market dominated by companies like Apple, it's not going to happen soon.
Edit:
Also this.Smiles and Cries said:
Senran Kagura may cross 80,000 copies by year's end:
http://andriasang.com/comzjg/senran_kagura_sales/
http://andriasang.com/comzjg/senran_kagura_sales/
So far every Sony system, no matter how bad it looked eventually turned around and there was a steady/good support from 3rd Parties. I would be very shocked if this wasn't the case, it would have to sell worse than the Cube for 3rd parties to ignore it.
But outselling the 3DS probably wont happen this generation.
But outselling the 3DS probably wont happen this generation.
Out of every Marvelous IP, this game. Ugh.
Kojima's promoted how multi-platform KojiPro's Fox Engine is. If there is a Peace Walker 2 or something, there's no reason to believe it'll be Vita exclusive, heck even timed-exclusive like the original ultimately ended up being.
Are these actual results or you just predicting?
That's not that bad. I'm guessing DW NEXT isn't terrible since it just might be showing the early signs of something resembling legs.
Media Create posted the top 50.
Anoop wrote even an article on it.
http://andriasang.com/comzjh/vita_top_50/
jamesinclair
Banned
So, what is the opinion on what the PSV Ambassador program will look like?
5 free games?
5 free games?
A Twisty Fluken
Member
Free UMD attachment by mail.
DMPrince and I have come to a mutual agreement that Sony will just send out emails. I think it's just going to be a stock "Thank you for supporting this Sony product, unfortunately we at Sony do not see this product in our future, but please take a look at our latest Android smart phones" email, DMPrince thinks it'll contain a message reading "Ever wonder how it felt to own a PSPgo? Well, now you know".
2 Budget Vita PSN titles, 2 PSP and 2 Psone titles - only First Party titles though.
durrrrrrrrrr
Member
Lord of Apocalypse selling even 1 copy after Lord of Arcana never ceases to amaze me.
Father_Brain
Banned
well, of course - but one FACT is that : The Vita is -not- dead.
People are dealing in hypotheticals on both sides of the argument in terms of what happens next, but the core argument of RIP Vita is the -least- true statement to date
Well, "Vita is dead" is untrue in the sense that it would be untrue for any platform that's just launched; it's impossible to predict with utter certainty how things will look two years from now, let alone five. But the fact is that nearly a year after the platform was first announced, there's no known software that is likely to propel it to a viable second-place position in any region, and that doesn't bode well at all.
Mad African
Banned
And so hardware performance determines the better video game system? I always thought it was the games, silly me.
DCharlie
And even i am moderately surprised
and at what point did we get the three titles announced that cemented the 3DS's return from the edge of the grave (along with price cut) ?
They don't have to announce everything all at one point, they'll wait for the right time - and right now knee jerking after 2 weeks is -not- going to help. There's going to be stuff in dev for sure. Whether that is "viable second place" games or not is anyones guess.
a lot of times, hits come from the unlikeliest of places. the third gta made everyone do sandbox games for 5 years. pokemon launched on a dead system and became the best-selling franchise since mario. brain age started off doing 40k a week and then kept doing that for years. i don't think people could have predicted mhp2g's success could have been predicted by too many either.
Father_Brain
Banned
Mario Kart was announced at E3 2010, over eight months before 3DS launched in any territory. Mario 3D Land was announced at GDC 2011, a week or so after the Japanese launch. The existence of both, and their ability to "save" 3DS from "the edge of the grave" was a foregone conclusion in any case, because Nintendo, unlike Sony, actually has a stable of first-party IPs that are guaranteed to sell millions in every territory, has a good recent track record of creating new hit IPs, and isn't dependent on third-party support to make its handhelds commercially viable platforms.
MH3G/MH4 weren't announced until September, sure, but 3DS didn't need support of that caliber as much as Vita did (and still does).
Due to development realities, we can realistically rule out any Vita (or 3DS) megahit coming from Western third parties. Other than MHP, which surprise hit IPs, of the impact necessary to significantly shift the market in the direction of the platform they appeared on, have originated from Japanese publishers other than Nintendo in the last decade?
ThatObviousUser
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Exactly. As well, the 3DS has shown it's not impossible to turn bad fortune around, no matter how bad things seem.
I'd wait at least two years before calling anything dead, and even then... I'd hesitate unless there were other obvious factors involved.