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[Mr. Giggles]

Man, when that oil runs out I wonder if this will be tolerated

 

[MisterFalcon]

Man, when that oil runs out I wonder if this will be tolerated

The main question will be where the 30 million Saudi refugees will go to as their country cannot support even a fraction of that without huge oil revenues.

 

[Lightning Count]

Beheaded and crucified, what is this the middle ages?

 

[Foffy]

The west only cares because they have oil. Our economy depends on it. If the place out comes from is a prison from its citizens the west don't care.

Token comments to tick the tut tut box to show back home were doing something.

Hurry up hydrogen and nuclear fusion. We need to get clean and cut our ties to oil.

Oh and we need to look at all our western oil companies who lobby and stymie any advances so they can keep the power and money their way.

Kinda got sad reading this, as I was reminded again we really have a fucked up world. We'll out bad guys as bad guys so long as they don't scratch our back.

And that's considering that scratching is part of a worldly problem.

The power of mere ideas is strong.

 

[Androidsleeps]

Just when you think they couldn't get more vile and medieval..SA never disappoints.

 

[Ray Wonder]

Shuggananas got taken out for saying something I agree with?



This is disgusting, but not surprising. It would be amazing if every country lived by a more civilized standard, but that's not possible right now. Cross my fingers for the future.

 

[Napoleonthechimp]

Personally I say we crucify and behead Shuggananas.

Spoiler

Geez, guys.

ANYWAY, this is awful. It's still strange to me that Saudi Arabia are our "allies" when they are still a society that pulls this stuff.

"I get it, King Abdullah -- sometimes you just gotta torture people!"

Edit: My own post inspired me to learn more about that. Good article here for the curious:

Why the U.S. is Stuck With Saudi Arabia
Spoiler alert:

Spoiler

It's oil, basically.

Is it normal for two grown men to hold hands like that in that part of the world?

 

[ZiZ]

What is this the middle ages?

Get with the times Saudi Arabia and start using drones like other civilized nations.

 

[Sho_Nuff82]

What is this the middle ages?

Get with the times Saudi Arabia and start using drones like other civilized nations.

The what about ism is strong with this one.

 

[Kenshin001]

Is it normal for two grown men to hold hands like that in that part of the world?

Yes it is. You can hold hands with a man but it is illegal to hold hands with a woman. I learned this the other day in the thread about the Iranian woman who was charged with “illegitimate sexual relationship short of adultery” for shaking hands with her lawyer.

 

[panty]

This is sad as hell.

Yeah, death penalty is still in effect in uncivilized countries, news at 11


I was not trying to be funny ?

Really? Was he banned for this?

 

[ZiZ]

The what about ism is strong with this one.

I'm not defending Saudi Arabia.

I'm just pissed off at the attitude some people have. Pretending it's some medieval shit that only happens in backwards areas. it's no less barbaric than being killed with a drone. people should call it what it is, just modern human terribleness.

 

[Terra Firma]

Yes it is. You can hold hands with a man but it is illegal to hold hands with a woman. I learned this the other day in the thread about the Iranian woman who was charged with “illegitimate sexual relationship short of adultery” for shaking hands with her lawyer.

No, it is not illegal to hold hands with one's wife, sister, daughter, niece, or mother in Saudi Arabia.

 

[Shaanyboi]

Is it normal for two grown men to hold hands like that in that part of the world?

They're simply exchanging long protein strings. If you can think of a simpler way, I'd like to hear it.

 

[NoblesseOblige]

Really? Was he banned for this?

It was probably just the straw that broke the camel's back.

 

[marrec]

I'm not defending Saudi Arabia.

I'm just pissed off at the attitude some people have. Pretending it's some medieval shit that only happens in backwards areas. it's no less barbaric than being killed with a drone. people should call it what it is, just modern human terribleness.

Actually by definition it is less barbaric to be killed with a drone so no you're wrong.

As to the implication of your post, we can be upset about Saudi Arabia beheading someone for protesting and America's use of drones at the same time.

 

[Mohonky]

I'm not defending Saudi Arabia.

I'm just pissed off at the attitude some people have. Pretending it's some medieval shit that only happens in backwards areas. it's no less barbaric than being killed with a drone. people should call it what it is, just modern human terribleness.

drones dont tend to get used on the local populace for rallying behind the wrong side of opinion though.

Not to mention this dudes crimes are 'I'm related to that guy that had the other opinion'

 

[Messofanego]

Middievil East fits Saudi Arabia to a T.

 

[NoblesseOblige]

I'm not defending Saudi Arabia.

I'm just pissed off at the attitude some people have. Pretending it's some medieval shit that only happens in backwards areas. it's no less barbaric than being killed with a drone. people should call it what it is, just modern human terribleness.

This story isn't about drones. It's about Ali Mohammed al-Nimr, the man Saudia Arabia plans to unjustly execute via the ancient methods of beheading and then crucify. You are doing this story a massive disservice by using it to push a totally different rhetoric that likely many of us agree with, but is inappropriate nonetheless.

 

[7aged]

First off, I'm totally against this sentence and find it appalling and inhumane. However I don't believe there is any intent to carry it out. Our rulers generally aren't in the habit of executing their political opponents. What they do have a habit of though, is using family to pressure them. That's what's happening here. They want a public confession from Nimr al-Nimr, most importantly one that implicates Iran and Hezbullah.

Another thing, please don't mischaracterize al-Nimr and his followers as peaceful activists. They are sectarian, extremist and militant and are widely suspected of trying to form an armed militia. They are to the Shia what the Salafi extremists are to the Sunnah, and many in the shia community in Saudi cannot stand them and argue loudly that they don't represent them. If you want a genuine peaceful Shia activist to get behind try someone like Dr Tawfiq al-Saif: this is him owning a debate on the Shia and citizen rights
A brief translation: He argues for equal rights, freedom of expression, and an elected executive

 

[Ikael]

This is more about "sending a message to those uppity shiites" than anything resembling counter-terrorist policy. 100% bigoted and barbaric, 100% Saudi.

 

[LegendofJoe]

Saudi Arabia is every bit as disgusting as Iran is. In a perfect world I'd like to have nothing to do with either, but then again the US has done a lot of disgusting things as well. What a world we live in, full of power hungry sociopaths in positions of influence. Maybe one day we'll be able to prevent people that lack the ability to reason and/or empathize from being in power.

 

[marrec]

First off, I'm totally against this sentence and find it appalling and inhumane. However I don't believe there is any intent to carry it out. Our rulers generally aren't in the habit of executing their political opponents. What they do have a habit of though, is using family to pressure them. That's what's happening here. They want a public confession from Nimr al-Nimr, most importantly one that implicates Iran and Hezbullah.

Another thing, please don't mischaracterize al-Nimr and his followers as peaceful activists. They are sectarian, extremist and militant and are widely suspected of trying to form an armed militia. They are to the Shia what the Salafi extremists are to the Sunnah, and many in the shia community in Saudi cannot stand them and argue loudly that they don't represent them. If you want a genuine peaceful Shia activist to get behind try someone like Dr Tawfiq al-Saif: this is him owning a debate on the Shia and citizen rights
A brief translation: He argues for equal rights, freedom of expression, and an elected executive

Did Ali Mohammed al-Nimr commit the crimes that he confessed to in 2012?

 

[Sijil]

First off, I'm totally against this sentence and find it appalling and inhumane. However I don't believe there is any intent to carry it out. Our rulers generally aren't in the habit of executing their political opponents. What they do have a habit of though, is using family to pressure them. That's what's happening here. They want a public confession from Nimr al-Nimr, most importantly one that implicates Iran and Hezbullah.

Another thing, please don't mischaracterize al-Nimr and his followers as peaceful activists. They are sectarian, extremist and militant and are widely suspected of trying to form an armed militia. They are to the Shia what the Salafi extremists are to the Sunnah, and many in the shia community in Saudi cannot stand them and argue loudly that they don't represent them. If you want a genuine peaceful Shia activist to get behind try someone like Dr Tawfiq al-Saif: this is him owning a debate on the Shia and citizen rights
A brief translation: He argues for equal rights, freedom of expression, and an elected executive

Lol no, as a Shia Sheikh Nimr is the leader of the protest movement, as if any single Shia can stand the regime. What a sad attempt to sully the image of one the community heroes and justify the regime. Every human rights organization has condemned what is happening to Nimr and the Shia in Bahrain and KSA.

Tell me, how many men has Nimr beheaded? Or simply killed? None.

People justify the right for the Sunni to revolt against dictators but damn the Shia when they do, like when they did in 1991 against Saddam Hussein, where was the Arab nation then?

As a side note, being beheaded would be seen as a honor by many of us, they sought to live like Imam Hussein and now they will die like Imam Hussein, beheaded at the hands of tyrants.

 

[Any Questions]

Kinda got sad reading this, as I was reminded again we really have a fucked up world. We'll out bad guys as bad guys so long as they don't scratch our back.

And that's considering that scratching is part of a worldly problem.

The power of mere ideas is strong.

Capitalism and democracy are the best forms of rule.

Is just people are corruptible and thurst over power and money. Even when you have too much, what you have is never enough.

Would be good if people were more charitable and business was more environmentally caring.

 

[Kenshin001]

No, it is not illegal to hold hands with one's wife, sister, daughter, niece, or mother in Saudi Arabia.

Bush is not related to Abdullah in any way so yeah, it's illegal unless you are married/related.

Good news for gay men in Saudi Arabia though! They can hold hands to their heart's content.

 

[Sijil]

They where establishing a Hezboloah like terrorist group and establishing a terrorist militia means death in Saudi Arabia,
Even Kuwait that is tolerant towards Shia was surprised to find an armed Hezboloah militia being set with a help of an Iranian diplomat.

After The Arabic Spring aka the middle east black death don't be surprised to see even less tolerance toward any religious militia from GCC countries.

Yes because as we all know the most credible source of information is the GCC,truly a pillar of free speech and democracy. I would sooner believe the IDF than the GCC. This is no less ridiculous than blaming Iran for ISIS, but I guess people prefer their delusions than face cold reslity.

 

[7aged]

Lol no, as a Shia Sheikh Nimr is the leader of the protest movement, as if any single Shia can stand the regime. What a sad attempt to sully the image of one the community heroes and justify the regime. Every human rights organization has condemned what is happening to Nimr and the Shia in Bahrain and KSA.

Tell me, how many men has Nimr beheaded? Or simply killed? None.

People justify the right for the Sunni to revolt against dictators but damn the Shia when they do, like when they did in 1991 against Saddam Hussein, where was the Arab nation then?

As a side note, being beheaded would be seen as a honor by many of us, they sought to live like Imam Hussein and now they will die like Imam Hussein, beheaded at the hands of tyrants.

First of Nimr al-Nimr isn't the leader of anything and doesn't speak for anyone. The Shia community isn't this homogeneous monolithic entity, people have differing views and political directions. You want progressive activists look at the likes of Tawfiq al-Saif, you want the mainstream religious go for Hassan al-Saffar etc.. Nimr al-Nimr is of the radical fringe and his support base is minimal. There's a reason he's limited to his tiny base of Awwamiyah. No support in the rest of Qatif let alone Ahsa and beyond.

Giving a voice to extremists such as al-Nimr does a disservice to the many who have campaigned hard for their rights and for political reform. They have done nothing but sabotage their hard work and paint their wider community unjustly as violent militants.

 

[Sijil]

First of Nimr al-Nimr isn't the leader of anything and doesn't speak for anyone. The Shia community isn't this homogeneous monolithic entity, people have differing views and political directions. You want progressive activists look at the likes of Tawfiq al-Saif, you want the mainstream religious go for Hassan al-Saffar etc.. Nimr al-Nimr is of the radical fringe and his support base is minimal. There's a reason he's limited to his tiny base of Awwamiyah. No support in the rest of Qatif let alone Ahsa and beyond.

Giving a voice to extremists such as al-Nimr does a disservice to the many who have campaigned hard for their rights and for political reform. They have done nothing but sabotage their hard work and paint their wider community unjustly as violent militants.

Regarding his popularity.

http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/07/08/us-saudi-arrest-idUSBRE8670GH20120708


"American diplomats who met Nimr in August 2008 described him as a second-tier figure in Saudi Shi'ite politics, but one who was growing in popularity,"

"An activist in Awamiya said he had witnessed a protest march of thousands of people and that he had seen 20 injured in a clash with riot police."

http://fpif.org/death-sentence-inflame-sectarian-tensions-across-middle-east/


Regarding his "radicalism" :

https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/n...-sentence-against-shi-cleric-must-be-quashed/

"Evidence for all the other charges he was convicted of came from religious sermons and interviews attributed to the cleric. Amnesty International’s review of these texts confirms that he was exercising his right to free expression and was not inciting violence. Some of the charges, such as disobeying the ruler, should not be offences as they criminalize the right to freedom of expression. Other charges are vague and have been used simply to punish him for his peaceful activities.


If him being weary and tired of the status quo and chose to take action makes him a radical then so be it. He is as much a radical as Gandhi was, taking up peaceful protests against the regime.

 

[~Devil Trigger~]

They where establishing a Hezboloah like terrorist group and establishing a terrorist militia means death in Saudi Arabia,
Even Kuwait that is tolerant towards Shia was surprised to find an armed Hezboloah militia being set with a help of an Iranian diplomat.

After The Arabic Spring aka the middle east black death don't be surprised to see even less tolerance toward any religious militia from GCC countries.

this post can be real....

 

[Zukuu]

And no one does anything because they could clench their balls by restricting oil deliveries.

 

[Yaphett Kotto]

I'm not defending Saudi Arabia.

I'm just pissed off at the attitude some people have. Pretending it's some medieval shit that only happens in backwards areas. it's no less barbaric than being killed with a drone. people should call it what it is, just modern human terribleness.

Drones aren't used as a tool for the justice system against civilians.

 

[Walpurgis]

This is why I hate anti terrorist laws like Bill C-51. Their true purpose is to give governments the power to punish anyone who disagrees with them.

 

[Ganzlinger]

That's barbaric, Saudi Arabia.

 

[RustyNails]

Beyond, BEYOND fucked up. They are trying to set a barbaric and threatening example to anyone who would challenge the kingdom.

 

[| Praxis |]

What an unnecessarily barbaric thing to do. Holy shit.

 

[Anastasia]

Shuggananas got taken out for saying something I agree with?



This is disgusting, but not surprising. It would be amazing if every country lived by a more civilized standard, but that's not possible right now. Cross my fingers for the future.

What's the point of saying that it's not surprising though? Like what does that even mean? It's not necessarily surprising, but that doesn't make it any less fucked up. It's just a weird thing to say about this situation, and really dismissive.

 

[Ray Wonder]

What's the point of saying that it's not surprising though? Like what does that even mean? It's not necessarily surprising, but that doesn't make it any less fucked up. It's just a weird thing to say about this situation, and really dismissive.

What's the point in coming in here and saying "Oh this is terrible"?

There's not really a point to either...

 

[Anastasia]

What's the point in coming in here and saying "Oh this is terrible"?

There's not really a point to either...

There is a point to it, because one response is sympathetic, and the other is not. I certainly hope no one would ever say to someone who is going to be beheaded and crucified, "News at 11."

 

[TapeDispenser1000]

Saudi Arabia being Saudi Arabia

 

[Ray Wonder]

There is a point to it, because one response is sympathetic, and the other is not. I certainly hope no one would ever say to someone who is going to be beheaded and crucified, "News at 11."

Ok, so they both are opinions. Cool. I'm sure the people getting beheaded are getting told much, much worse things before they get beheaded besides "News at 11"

What I got from Shugganans was more like "Oh, a country with a disgusting capitol punishment is using that capitol punishment. What's new?"

...decapitations are routine in Saudi Arabia, America’s closest Arab ally, for crimes including political dissent—and the international press hardly seems to notice. In fact, since January, 59 people have had their heads lopped off in the kingdom...

Whatever. You're gonna get me banned, so I'm gonna shut up.

 

[Messofanego]

Regarding his popularity.

http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/07/08/us-saudi-arrest-idUSBRE8670GH20120708


"American diplomats who met Nimr in August 2008 described him as a second-tier figure in Saudi Shi'ite politics, but one who was growing in popularity,"

"An activist in Awamiya said he had witnessed a protest march of thousands of people and that he had seen 20 injured in a clash with riot police."

http://fpif.org/death-sentence-inflame-sectarian-tensions-across-middle-east/


Regarding his "radicalism" :

https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/n...-sentence-against-shi-cleric-must-be-quashed/

"Evidence for all the other charges he was convicted of came from religious sermons and interviews attributed to the cleric. Amnesty International’s review of these texts confirms that he was exercising his right to free expression and was not inciting violence. Some of the charges, such as disobeying the ruler, should not be offences as they criminalize the right to freedom of expression. Other charges are vague and have been used simply to punish him for his peaceful activities.


If him being weary and tired of the status quo and chose to take action makes him a radical then so be it. He is as much a radical as Gandhi was, taking up peaceful protests against the regime.

Thanks for this. It seems anyone who bothers with protests and criticises the kingdom is deemed a radical.

 

[entremet]

He's set to be beheaded and crucified tomorrow unless some miracle happens.

Absolutely disgusting.

 

[Kenshin001]

He's set to be beheaded and crucified tomorrow unless some miracle happens.

Absolutely disgusting.

Disgusting and millions of Muslims are rewarding the Saudi regime with billions of dollars in Hajj revenue instead of boycotting the country. No-one is going to protest there.

 

[Elfforkusu]

 

[shinobi602]

And they head up the UN Human fucking Rights Panel...what...WAT....

Iran commits human rights abuses: "Look at their abuses world! We must stop this menace at all costs!"

Saudi Arabia commits abuses: "Well I mean, they're our ally you know. S'all good"

US State Department had this to say on their appointment. Absolutely disgusting.

Last week Saudi Arabia was chosen to lead a United Nations Human Right's Council.

The decision was questioned by human rights groups, but the US State Department welcomed the news that one of its key allies had been chosen for the job.

"I mean, we've talked about our concerns about some of the capital punishment cases in Saudi Arabia in our human rights report, but I don't have any more to add to it," deputy spokesman Mark Toner said.

Mr Toner said he welcomed Saudi Arabia heading the council.

"Again, I don't have any comment, don't have any reaction to it. I mean, frankly, it's ... we would welcome it. We're close allies," he said.

He said he could not say "off the top of my head" whether Saudi Arabia got into the human rights report annually.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-09-...arabia-for-death-sentencing-protester/6811576

 

[EdwardTivrusky]

Can't he appeal to the UN Human Rig... oh

 

[Frog-fu]

This is such a gross injustice you can't make it up.