perineumlick
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No, no; you guys just don't get it. You're all part of the problem because you refuse to coddle these racists. You have to be better, not the other way around.
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Megyn Kelly under fire for interview with Alex Jones
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Vicetrailia
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After watching the interview it seems Megyn Kelly wants to be another Diane Sawyer or something, but the damage is already done for me. Was a good interview and information piece though.
That makes her look even worse in my eyes honestly. If it took Trump coming to power to make her realize she was working at the wrong network for the wrong people after all that time, then she either has no fucking clue or she was willing to push that narrative until it began to turn on her.
SolidSnakex
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This is even without getting into that time she felt the need to reassure kids watching her show that Santa was in fact a white guy.
perfectchaos007
Member
This was before he came to power. It was when Trump refused to attend a debate if that woman who bleeds out of her...wherever...was a moderator (Megyn Kelly). And Fox didn't stand up for Megyn at all.
Angelus Errare
Banned
Earl Grey tea with receipts.
Add in her whole "Don't worry kids, Santa is white" nonsense, or her whole women need to stop crying about maternity leave thinking they're entitled to it...then Megyn herself got pregnant and changed her whole tune never once offering an apology or anything.
Enjoy another four years of Trump in office with attitudes like this. You've no chance of nurturing progressive discourse with this approach. Seriously, when in the history of humanity has calling someone nasty names achieved a single fucking thing? You are making yourselves feel better with a crude outburst of endorphins, while contributing to the atmosphere you so despise.
I find it so frustrating because I'm fighting for the same thing. I want Trump out of office, I want crazies like Jones relegated to an embarrassing footnote in history books, I want people to accept that racism is as prevalent today as it ever has been, but one thing I've learnt in my time is that dismissing and deriding people doesn't achieve a thing, and we really need to be working towards making a positive change. It starts with how we interact with the people with which we disagree.
I'd never defend Kelly's past offences, but she seems to be forging a new path and the results so far have been progressive.
PS: Do you really think she left solely for the money? You don't think Fox would have matched the offer? Get real.
I find it so frustrating because I'm fighting for the same thing. I want Trump out of office, I want crazies like Jones relegated to an embarrassing footnote in history books, I want people to accept that racism is as prevalent today as it ever has been, but one thing I've learnt in my time is that dismissing and deriding people doesn't achieve a thing, and we really need to be working towards making a positive change. It starts with how we interact with the people with which we disagree.
I'd never defend Kelly's past offences, but she seems to be forging a new path and the results so far have been progressive.
PS: Do you really think she left solely for the money? You don't think Fox would have matched the offer? Get real.
Yeah and? My point still stands is she stuck around pushing the Fox News narrative hard until they turned on her.
Angelus Errare
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Yes because well over a decade of reaching across the aisle has worked so damn well for the Democrats and the Left. If the GOP actually listened instead of stone walling everything in the most hypocritical manner possible I'd be fine with this,"talk it out" mentality. Problem is one side has based its entire strategy on not talking it out and actively working against the other side in every capacity all the damn time. Most of our problems in this country seems to be because people think you can work with the modern GOP when their entire strategy is to undermine everyone working against them and label them as monsters trying to destroy the country.
How can you hope to win back the people who voted him into office when your own behaviour is juvenile and petty?
Where do you rank David Frum on a scale of one to 10
You get the half the of the country that didn't vote at all to actually come out and vote for your candidates and ignore those that never will because they think you're the devil and destroying the country they love with every move you make just because you're part of the left.
Takamura-San
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What makes you think they listen to reason. We have decades of historical data that shows otherwise​.
Angelus Errare
Banned
I really don't care to "win" them back at all. Sure as hell not if I have to put my and other PoC/minorities personhood and humanity on the negotiation table under the guise of a mere "difference in opinion/viewpoints".
If you and people like you spent half as much time trying to educate these people as you do preaching to minorities and PoC to "understand and empathise" with these folks we'd probably be a much better nation.
But you don't understand. We need to give her another chance!
Fuck no. As you've just shown Megan Kelly is full of shit.
Aiming it at the GOP establishment is pointless, it's the independents, the swing voters, the unengaged, those are the ones you need to attract with your message. And I personally don't see how you're gonna achieve that when crudely calling people in the arena 'pieces of shit' seems to be the only contribution many posters here can muster.
perineumlick
Member
Yeah, you keep giving a voice to these unrepentant racists. Why try to humanize people who make a living off of dehumanizing the disadvantaged? You can't just resolve a person's sordid past just because you like a couple of their recent interviews, especially when that person hasn't shown any remorse for those transgressions whatsoever. Why does the victim have to keep reaching out to his/her oppressor, in the hope that one day they will see the light? Why can't the onus be on the asshole to change his/her ways?
Then as I said, enjoy Trump until 2024.
it's good that you assume the only action people take is calling out megyn kelly on neogaf
gee, how are you going to change our minds with an attitude like that?
The GOP and Trump especially, won the election on calling the other sides pieces of shit and much of the nation's population that wasn't white, straight and male. What world are you living on?
Again the entire premise of your argument is that the GOP are not only willing to listen but they are actually willing to evolve and work together with those they often paint as monsters and terrible disgusting people. We have seen that is not the case over and over and over again for decades now.
Angelus Errare
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How are you going to change our minds with an attitude like that?
I agree with the first bit, but the second bit is asinine because you simply create the situation Obama faced where he couldn't get much done because the GOP had too much power. You're going to have to win SOME of these people over one day if you ever want to have a clear majority to push through a progressive agenda.
It's just the way it is.
No you don't. The entire point of my post is you can say fuck you to that 25 percent of the country that is willing to wallow in the GOP dream of America no matter. You get the other 50 percent of people who didn't come out to vote and use that to get things done. You get those numbers and you drag the GOP base kicking and screaming into modern times whether they like it or not. Much the same way we've done things in this country like getting rid of segregation.
they are a lost cause. you can win back people who are deeply rooted in their 'isms. Especially when it wasnt even a majority that voted for him.
Should just focus on getting voting maps corrected and work around those areas.
Do you even know JUST how bad his voters are? I have a map that correlated the top searches for racist terms and the nearly neatly overlay the areas where he had the most support.
you cannot win back people like that.
Heres the map from the republican primary vs racist terms:
obama lost 4% of democratic votes compared to john kerry during his terms.
Lord Frieza
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Those people would literally rather die than support any kind of progressive agenda.
You do realize Clinton got 3 million more votes last time around right? If things stay the same, Democrats most likely win the next one.
Convincing 3rd party and non-voters to come around is far more productive than going after Trump voters. That's where the effort needs to be to build a cushion so a fluke like 2016 doesn't happen again.
No, they won because Trump engaged with a rural America that felt left behind, rightly or wrongly. Racism was a part of it, but jobs probably played just as big a role for money people, and they believed his coal-powered agenda was right for them. It's not, and we have to make them see how.
The second bit is a disastrous and inaccurate summation of my argument. You'll note that I have continually said we have to target the voters, not the GOP establishment.
I like David Frum but don't like Kelly.
1) I think Fox News is actually worse than the W era GOP. They have been more extreme for quite a long time.
2) David Frum has done a pretty complete denunciation of the modern GOP. I'm not even sure I would classify him as particularly conservative by today's standards, being that he has reversed course on gay marriage, gun control, the tea party, and the ACA. And he did so fairly early. And he voted for Hillary.
3) more importantly he was willing to bite the hand that fed him. Kelly has not really.
I explained why, several times, you're just here for cheap shots. If you're going to use your energy in that way, as it seems many of you are, then yeah, I see Trump's re-election a 50/50 proposition when realistically it should be almost 0.
The Votes that are a part of the GOP establishment? If these people continue to vote these scum bags into power over and over and over again despite their policies being terrible and affecting them in terrible ways then yes they're part of the problem.
This forum wouldn't even accept the idea that Trump had a chance of winning even as the votes were being read. People were so dismissive to the point of being aggressive. "Most likely" doesn't cut it.
Agree with the second bit. My point is though that if we contribute to the fiery discourse then why would people traditionally uninterested or averse to politics want to get involved?
That was the entire nation buddy, not just this forum but thanks for the GAF hive mind post. Always enlightening.
You can still call out the bull shit of the other side and appeal to voters. A lot of these people voted in both of Obama's elections and those were no less firey or contentious.
You do a bit long enough, it penetrates your psyche, and it morphs from a "role" to your actual persona. I think Jones morphed into this a few years after his 9/11 bullshit.
Sure, some of them are, but a big part of his appeal to many was his anti-establishment rhetoric, so its simplistic to lump all his supporters in with the GOP.
I dare say he would have gone close to winning even as an Independent, had he split away during the drama of the primary's.
Angelus Errare
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As I said in my previous post. I really don't care to "win" them back at all. Sure as hell not if I have to put my and other PoC/minorities personhood and humanity on the negotiation table under the guise of a mere "difference in opinion/viewpoints".
If you and people like you spent half as much time trying to educate these people as you do preaching to minorities and PoC to "understand and empathise" with these folks we'd probably be a much better nation.
Yeah and by supporting that anti establishment rhetoric they also support the bigotry, the xenophobia, the lust for violence and so on that goes with the GOP. You can't just ignore that whether they'd like to or not. It stains them.
Yes it was, but GAF was a good example of just how out of hand it all got, and how people were so single-minded and dismissive.
Of course you can call it out, but there's better ways of doing it than with crude personal attacks and disgusting rhetoric about another human being.
You CANNOT be serious that this wasn't the most firey or contentious election ever. Come on now. 2008 was a cakewalk comparatively because you didn't have the huge influence of fake news and social media on the level of discourse. 2012 was decidedly worse and racism reared its head but Romney was moderate in a lot of ways so he didn't fire up the right-leaning voters like Trump did. It was nothing like the toxic, bile-filled 2016 election, where I think most would agree it was the most brutal of all time. I'm shocked you would say that.
It wasn't as bad as the last election but I saw people burning effigies of Obama, saw him dressed up like Hitler, saw people beheading puppets of him and saying he should be shot and so on and so forth. That isn't even including all the racist stuff and everything else. The mean and ugly side on the right has been one they've nurtured for a long time.
Your grand contribution to this thread was writing 'lol' and excruciating one liners, whereas I am trying to improve the level of discourse by engaging people and responding respectfully. And I'm the one who is not helping make America a better nation? Right...
I won't pretend to understand your bitterness towards these people who have caused you so much misery, it would be disingenuous for me to do so, but I won't follow along with your defeatist attitude. To be clear, I'm talking about reconnecting with the moderates, the independents, the swingers, the people we can realistically reel back in. I'm not talking about the alt-right crazies like Jones and Breitbart and the white supremacists. You're right, they are beyond redemption but thankfully they represent a tiny sliver of the political landscape (albeit a loud one).
The arrival of a black man as a realistic presidential nominee did indeed bring out the crazies. It definitely intensified after Bush. But as I said from the beginning, those aren't the people who will keep Trump in power. It's the swing-voters who will, some who voted Trump for whatever reason. We have to win them back, but by writing them all off then we're potentially energising them to double down, as humans so oft tend to do when challenged.
KoopaTheCasual
Junior Member
Then literally, why is anyone in this thread arguing.
Pretty sure Angelus is of the same opinion that the far-right is a lost cause, and we simply need to double down on constituents and independents.
It's just annoying when people use the rhetoric akin to 'reach across the isle' since it's actually impossible for people that look like Angelus and myself. This is why he's saying that you should also use your energy for those independents, instead of lecturing people who really can't do much about it.
You seem to be misunderstanding me. I'm saying fuck off to the 25% or so of the country that always votes for the GOP and that we need to get the 50% of people who didn't vote or consider themselves in the middle to vote with the left.
When Obama got elected Stormfront had tons and tons of new accounts created. its no coincidence.
Morrigan Stark
Arrogant Smirk
Hahahaha not this shit again
Yeah, because Trump voters are known for responding well to civil discourse and rational arguments. And Trump himself, and his voters, never show themselves to be petty and juvenile. Get real.
Receipts? And any evidence that she is repentant at all?
Nah, I'm sure that the sexual harassment culture must have bothered her too. But only as soon as it affected her personally, of course.
Nah. They're a bunch of morons. The GOP is evil and is rolling back environmental and educational protections. Every single trump voter can go fuck themselves. They are children who know better, but they vote against their own interests to keep the country "the way it was" before minorities could use the same bathrooms.
Get more sane people to turn up and vote. Coddling racists and literal morons got us here. Giving them a platform was a mistake that cost the election. Jobs in dying industries are always going to die. Clinton had a great plan, but they went with the bigot instead. I can't stress that these people can pound sand enough.
Trump won by a narrow margin. There are more sane people than there are morons in the usa. Spend your time trying to prevent trump by getting people voting locally and nationally. This will be far more productive than Coddling racists.
I saw a woman who survived cancer thanks to obamacare, hate the fact that it was called obamacare, and wanted it repealed. These people are parasites to democracy. Their goals are all the opposite of those of other human beings here.
Your attitude is misplaced in thinking that your approaches are different than the decades of outreach to these people. It's been going on since the civil war, and the rights movement. Yet, people still want to sport their heritage of being against freed slaves. You have nothing novel to offer.
And your enjoy 2024 of trump cuties, is just you ignoring things being told to you, due to your own conclusion that coddling is the answer, and you won't hear anything else.
There is room for multiple approaches. Good luck turning white supremacists. At the end of the day the goal is the same. But you're putting too much importance on decades of dumbshits who've proven to be dumbshits, that just eeked out a win. That's not the end all solution you're portraying it to be. Especially looking at the popular vote.
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