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Merge of Discovery and Warner Bros. renders PlayStation licensing agreement worthless. (Up: new licensing agreement, shows will not be removed)
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Heimdall_Xtreme
Hermen Hulst Fanclub's #1 Member
The truth is, since Jim Ryan has been here, any news coming from Playstation is always bad.man I know you have an extreme hatred of Jim Ryan but you honestly think this is his fault somehow? these agreements that are being terminated long long predate him being the head of SIE
PSYGN
Member
Yup. If this is legal they need to call it "rent" or "subscription", not "purchase". Very misleading. There's bound to be some legal action soon.
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graywolf323
Member
I think to an extent that might just be a case of confirmation bias, I don’t like everything they’ve done under Ryan such as the GAAS push but he’s not the root of all evil or anything like that either
I believe this is how they already do it, you "Buy" it but if you read the T&Cs it states that you're merely buying a leased license for the product which can be revoked at any time should the companies involved see fit to do so. Most are OK witr just letting you keep it but this is Discovery and they want that sweet sweet tax write off.
Bumblebeetuna
Member
This is why I very rarely buy any digital movies. I think I “own” like three movies.
BiohazardX95
Member
I also saw that netflix deleted some movies and shows of their platform and those were Netflix original content, physical and piracy are the way to go. I have also seen that Microsoft and apple have removed purchased movies from the accounts with microsoft not offering any refund for that.
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PSYGN
Member
I understand that, I don't know if you're arguing that what they are doing is fine because read the fine print?
When you "Buy" or "Purchase" something you typically own it in the end. That's how most would interpret it. I guess at this rate Rent-a-center should be called Buy-a-center, but don't forget to read the fine print because you're purchasing the rental agreement and not the item! Get that nonsense out of here. Stipulations like that shouldn't be hidden in T&C. It's like the tech world likes to live by its own rules because "digital" "licencing" hand wavy-ness.
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sachos
Member
What about games? Those PS1 PS2 and Gamecube redumps are looking mighty good over here
ChuckeRearmed
Member
The whole WB/Discovery merger did not produce any good results to be honest.
sachos
Member
I guess for games an equivalent would be when the servers closes for a game with online required singleplayer component, like Crossfire X. I remember there was a post about it here.
StereoVsn
Member
Yep, that’s what I do with new and old movies that I like and expect I would rewatch.
Basically there is no trust of platform or content holders. Now, I have bought decent amount of movies from Amazon, Apple, Vudu and so on when it’s really cheap like $3-5. Mostly for stuff I would rent. I still get UHD for anything long term.
Also, folks, you can buy UHD used, generally they come in a decent shape. eBay, Amazon, etc…
ManaByte
Banned
poppabk
Cheeks Spread for Digital Only Future
Yeah I am still able to download Outrun:Coast 2 Coast even though it hasn't been available to purchase for a long time.
Even for multiplayer stuff they should leave it - never know if a SupCom FaF like community will resurrect them.
StealthGoblin
Banned
Fuck me. It's out of Sony's control.
I'm not arguing FOR it, just stating why they can do it, shit they're not even apologising for it now.
Loxus
Member
I know right.
It's like the updated thread title doesn't mean shit to the console warriors.
Isa
Member
This is why I've recently starting collecting physical where I can, both for games, books, movies and shows. Just these past two or three weeks I've spent like 10k lol getting stuff before they go OOP. Especially with film its tough since prints are often limited and often to a certain time period. So prices skyrocket. Its honestly been pretty great building up a big collection again, and my girl loves it since she's always been about physical and not "giving away my stuff" *ahem* trading or selling for anything less than I paid lol(mainly referring to my old game store days). A few collections I've bought have already jumped up in price raising the value exponentially(movies & books) which is nice. A few are out of my league save for piracy but I prefer not to go that route and many things are no longer or never were available that way. Plus all the malware and viruses present and far fewer decent sites.
I used to be near purely digital for roughly a decade, since the PS4 and late PS3 but lately I've really begun to break that habit. I bet in the rough future if things don't change, there will be a new market especially with entertainment going the way it has for so long.
I do hope this get's resolved for those who've been affected by this though, as it really is rife for litigation but there is probably a ton of safety nets for the corpos in the fine print of user agreements.
I used to be near purely digital for roughly a decade, since the PS4 and late PS3 but lately I've really begun to break that habit. I bet in the rough future if things don't change, there will be a new market especially with entertainment going the way it has for so long.
I do hope this get's resolved for those who've been affected by this though, as it really is rife for litigation but there is probably a ton of safety nets for the corpos in the fine print of user agreements.
Dice
Pokémon Parentage Conspiracy Theorist
I consider it already having happened with Destiny 2 campaigns. I bought a collection of 3 of them and now none are accessible. Never trusting Bungie again.
ShadowkillXNA
Member
Sony doesnt have a say in this.
This is on Warner/Zaslav.
ShadowkillXNA
Member
You do realize if these media were on Microsoft's service they would be pulled from their as well?
Get off Microsoft's dick, it's not good for you.
I don't remember the reason, but Microsoft did remove movies people purchased at one point. The difference is Microsoft issued a full refund of the purchase price, even though many were made several years before the removal.
graywolf323
Member
wait, what? I heard about Destiny 2 vaulting stuff but actual campaigns?
ShadowkillXNA
Member
It wouldn't shock me if sony were getting the legal team to let them know how to handle this since this is warner/zaslav doing this.
alphachino
Member
It really isn’t. In Sony’s effort to provide more services to their users, they entered into an agreement with the licensor that they knew would fuck over said users at a later date. This is all on Sony.
alphachino
Member
Bullshit. They could have not sold this trash in the first place or at least enter into an agreement that has their consumers best interests in mind.
ShadowkillXNA
Member
You have no idea what you're talking about.
Microsoft has literally done the exact same shit in the past.
It's on warner. Get over it.
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alphachino
Member
Nope. It's you who doesn't know what they're talking about. This isn't on Warner. This is the deal that was offered to Sony and other distributors and Sony took it knowing full well that consumers will be screwed over in the long run. MS doing something doesn't absolve Sony's involvement in this anti-consumer behaviour and should be called out. Personally, I'm all digital myself for the convenience but yet I don't have a horse in this race. I'm just calling out blatant disregard for consumer rights when I see it.
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CatLady
Selfishly plays on Xbox Purr-ies X
ChorizoPicozo
Member
ShadowkillXNA
Member
Wrong, wrong and wrong.
It's on Warner period.
alphachino
Member
Believe what you want to believe, but just know that I know you're wrong. End users don't give two shits who the rights holders are or who are the production company or any of that crap. They gave the money to Sony and that is who is to blame - Sony for selling this crap in the first place. I'm not saying Warner aren't at fault here; almost all corporations are as scummy as the last... but Sony could have chosen to not sell this stuff on their store front (which they have full control over).
Killjoy-NL
Member
Like any other platform with digital games.
Have fun reading about the denied refunds
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Someone should be offering refunds, partial refunds, extras or something. There also needs to be clear timelines for how long you 'own/rent' something. This is the digital future people wanted, play stupid games, win stupid prizes. TV/Movies, not worth it. We obviously need more regulation across the industry and subscriptions.
It reminds me of those solar panel companies that offer these amazingf 25-30 year warranties. Guess what, none of them survive more than 7 years before they change their company name and start again. All those warranties vanish.
The must have been a very courageous moment for Zaslav, if it's indeed Warner's fault. what s shit greedy company.
It reminds me of those solar panel companies that offer these amazingf 25-30 year warranties. Guess what, none of them survive more than 7 years before they change their company name and start again. All those warranties vanish.
The must have been a very courageous moment for Zaslav, if it's indeed Warner's fault. what s shit greedy company.
crackajack
Member
People who want to own their consumables better continue buying physical stuff.
I just want to play games and don't expect everything to stay accessible forever, kinda view it as a one time ticket, that offers rewatches as a bonus, so I dont care much if I lose games I paid little money for. But anyone collecting day one games, might lose some expensive to build library some day in the future.
It absolutely needs to be called something else:
unlock access*
*may end any time
Alternatively the platforms need to be required to make unlimited agreements with the license holders that any past purchase cannot be retroactively revoked, so turning a buy into an actual buy and some requirement by law to host the files for at least x years past the latest possible purchase date too. (and also server closures to happen earliest x months after final purchase date)
Law seems to be not really adapted to properly take care of digital goods.
Deerock71
Member
It's not the same thing as a company pulling access to licences you've purchased from them for [REASONS], but yes manmade shit is faulty. Finally...a universal truth emerges.
Most of us are now walking the earth, living our lives leaving behind us a trail of digital trash. This has me thinking of all the digital items I have purchased over the years that I have already lost.
Pics, songs, game items, games, etc..... Its really a shame there isnt something that can truly store everything we have. I know some will say the cloud, but it would be cool to have a device that links everything we buy digitally across the whole web.
Pics, songs, game items, games, etc..... Its really a shame there isnt something that can truly store everything we have. I know some will say the cloud, but it would be cool to have a device that links everything we buy digitally across the whole web.
Evil Calvin
Afraid of Boobs
I've lost a lot of Iphone games I've purchased since 2010. After I switched phones a couple times and went into my purchases, many are greyed out and it says 'will not work with your version of IOS. Developer has not updated game for current IOS' (or something to that effect. If you update and the dev didn't....then you are SOL if you want to install it later. For example...I had Doom RPG and Wolfenstein RPG and paid for them. Won't let me download them.
Evil Calvin
Afraid of Boobs
They would seriously probably do that.
DeepEnigma
Gold Member
SEGAvangelist
Member
Does this affect the Sports Illustrated Swimsuit Issue videos?
SenkiDala
Member
I totally agree and this is unacceptable. Sony should manage the situation and at the BARE MINIMUM, let's say the share between Sony and Discovery is 30/70%, and for exemple someone spent 100$ of Discovery stuff, Sony should refund the 30% share that they got so in that case 30$. How is it possible that in our society a company can literally STEAL content from you, and not get punished at all. And even Discovery I dunno how they can sell content, remove from you the possibility to redownload it and that's just ok.
Thinking also that Sony has this trial in UK that can lead them to refund 6 billions $ of content to customers... That exact situation with Discovery won't help them at all to defend themselves.
And in dunno about in USA (I just come here and not other US websites) but in Europe / France NOBODY talks about it, nobody gives a fuck, just vaguely mention it as if it was just a detail, if it was Microsoft it would be headlines of any VG website.