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kittens said:
I know next to nothing about the Metal Gear universe, but I recognized that dude on the horse, and everything else that I didn't recognize looked fuck awesome.

I just bought the PS2 version of MGS3 for $1 the other day, so people I'll finally get into these games.
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what about mgs1 and 2
 
kittens said:
I know next to nothing about the Metal Gear universe, but I recognized that dude on the horse, and everything else that I didn't recognize looked fuck awesome.

I just bought the PS2 version of MGS3 for $1 the other day, so people I'll finally get into these games.
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Pity not starting off with MGS1, but 3 would of been the next best place to start.
 
synce said:
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There's your two shits
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God this girl looks like shes 14....
 
I am not familiar with the Metal Gear universe. The video/preview looked bat shit crazy...which I can take only so much from Japanese games.

However, can anyone explain the "Diamond Dogs" reference? Besides the David Bowie song...I can think of the Alastair Reynolds Sci-Fi novella (which is AWESOME) about a group of researchers who are exploring an alien artifact. The artifact consists of a series of rooms, which must be traversed by the explorers. Each time they enter a new room, they are shut in. The door leading onward will only open if they solve a complicated mathematical puzzle/problem. If their answer is incorrect, very bad things happen. By the end of the story, the surviving explorers have used sophisticated technology and medical procedures to transform their bodies and augment their minds so as to have a better chance at pushing further into the alien artifact.

They basically become cyborgs. I was wondering if Snake's (I assume that is who it is) artificial hand/prothesis is a reference to this?
 
UrbanRats said:
Wasn't there a rumor around about Kojima being afraid the game couldn't have come out, because too controversial? I think i've heard it in the latest Invisible Walls.
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It's not a rumor. Kojima did say it.

Over the past 25 year I have tried to work with the Metal Gear series to introduce more mature themes, but really it hasn't gotten there yet. Compared to movies and books it still has a long way to go. That's precisely what I want to try to tackle with Ground Zeroes. Honestly I'm going to be targeting a lot of taboos, a lot of mature themes that really are quite risky. I'm not even sure if I'm going to be able to release the game, and even if I did release the game then maybe it wouldn't sell because it's too much. As a creator I want to take that risk.
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http://www.gamespot.com/news/kojima-says-mgs-ground-zeroes-may-be-too-risky-to-release-6404391
 
Deuterium said:
I am not familiar with the Metal Gear universe. The video/preview looked bat shit crazy...which I can take only so much from Japanese games.

However, can anyone explain the "Diamond Dogs" reference? Besides the David Bowie song...I can think of the Alastair Reynolds Sci-Fi novella (which is AWESOME) about a group of researchers who are exploring an alien artifact. The artifact consists of a series of rooms, which must be traversed by the explorers. Each time they enter a new room, they are shut in. The door leading onward will only open if they solve a complicated mathematical puzzle/problem. If their answer is incorrect, very bad things happen. By the end of the story, the surviving explorers have used sophisticated technology and medical procedures to transform their bodies and augment their minds so as to have a better chance at pushing further into the alien artifact.

They basically become cyborgs. I was wondering if Snake's (I assume that is who it is) artificial hand/prothesis is a reference to this?
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It could be, Kojima loves that kind of stuff.
 
matrix-cat said:
Here's what I think is going on:

- Original GZ trailer suggests that GZ takes place very soon after the end of Peace Walker (Miller talks about Cipher (Zero's operation) having picked up Paz from the Caribbean 'ten days ago', so it can't be more than a couple of weeks). PW was set in 1974, but it's possible the secret ending takes place a few months later so we could be in 1975)

- The man with the scars is running Camp Omega, pretty much a Guantanamo analogue (US prison camp on the southern tip of Cuba). He has Paz, and has also managed to capture Chico, presumably to lure Big Boss out of Mother Base

- BB takes the bait and flies out from Mother Base to rescue Chico and Paz. At the same time, Scarface and his men disguise themselves and their helicopters (removing XOF logos), and fly off to attack Mother Base. Miller mentions that Mother Base is expecting an inspection from a UN team, so I assume this is who Scarface and his men are posing as

- BB infiltrates Camp Omega, in what I'm assuming is the Virtuous Mission/Tanker chapter of MGSV. No idea what happens, but the next time we see him he's battered and bloody, riding away in a helicopter to find Mother Base burning down and exploding. Presumably he gets injured while trying to save his people, and he and Miller are flown to a hospital

- Once at the hospital, Big Boss falls into a coma, and then The Phantom Pain begins. BB's woken up by 'Ishmael' (the safe money's on Ishmael being a figment of BB's imagination), and gets terrorized by nightmarish hallucinations that we're all assuming are caused by a young Psycho Mantis. A nine year coma would put TPP in 1983/84ish, and to put that into Metal Gear perspective Big Boss would be pushing 50, Mantis would be about thirteen, the Snake twins would be elevenish and Ocelot would be about forty

- BB escapes the hospital (this we see in the original Phantom Pain trailer), not before seeing hallucinations of Volgin, a giant fire whale, and possibly himself with devil horns. He's rescued by someone who is almost definitely Ocelot. Red gloves, cowboy boots and spurs, long grey hair, hints of a moustache. I think he's still wearing the red scarf from the Ocelot unit

- The final shot of the trailer seems much later in the time line, after BB has regained his muscle mass, bought a new Triumph and had a Galvez-ish red robot hand fitted. He's grown a stylish forehead horn (which you can actually see hints of under his bandages when he wakes from the coma), and he's been listening to Bowie and named his posse the Diamond Dogs.

I still can't work out who the third person in the ICU is (the one whose perspective we see that scene from, when Miller looks directly at the camera and says "what about him?"), and I have no idea what the horn signifies.
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Good read. I had more or less pieced this together, but its good to hear a definitive post from someone who knows the lore.
 
Siliconera has been in contact with Konami's Jay Boor, Director of PR: http://www.siliconera.com/2013/03/27/the-phantom-pain-and-metal-gear-solid-ground-zeroes-are-two-separate-games

“Ground Zeroes and The Phantom Pain are two separate games,” Boor clarified to Siliconera via e-mail. “GZ will be a prologue to The Phantom Pain.”
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Update: When we pressed Boor for further details and asked if both The Phantom Pain and Ground Zeroes are for the Xbox 360 and PlayStation 3, he replied: “Can’t comment on the SKUs unfortuantely [sic]. TPP is definitely 360 and PS3 though.”
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My guess on this is, Ground Zeroes will launch on PS360. Phantom Pain will be a launch or near-launch title for PS4, and co-released on PS360. Possibly GZ/TPP on the same disc for the PS4 version, with GZ having upgraded visuals from its initial release.
 
Ingueferroque said:
yes?
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I haven't played PW, though in the Wikia it implies she's 24 y/o? (born in 1950, 1974 during the PW incident, which i assume is when the game takes place).
lol.

Speedwagon said:
It's not a rumor. Kojima did say it.



http://www.gamespot.com/news/kojima-says-mgs-ground-zeroes-may-be-too-risky-to-release-6404391
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Bit of a drama queen i'm sure, still, i'm curious to see what will go on that is so taboo.

eyeball_kid said:
Siliconera has been in contact with Konami's Jay Boor, Director of PR: http://www.siliconera.com/2013/03/27/the-phantom-pain-and-metal-gear-solid-ground-zeroes-are-two-separate-games

My guess on this is, Ground Zeroes will launch on PS360. Phantom Pain will be a launch or near-launch title for PS4, and co-released on PS360. Possibly GZ/TPP on the same disc for the PS4 version, with GZ having upgraded visuals from its initial release.
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Assuming GZ is beefy enough, i don't mind this model, as it can help them create a massive game without bleeding money.

Also i think the wait between one and the other will match the storyline aspect of Snake being in a coma pretty well.
 
so the guy in the trailer and shit is big boss right? then i'm fine with a different voice. just not jack bauer. hearing keifer sutherland will just take me out of the game.

edit: oh christ, he has a horn on his head....unless this is part of a hallucination this game will be as bad as mgs4.
 
UrbanRats said:
I haven't played PW, though in the Wikia it implies she's 24 y/o? (born in 1950, 1974 during the PW incident, which i assume is when the game takes place).
lol.


Bit of a drama queen i'm sure, still, i'm curious to see what will go on that is so taboo.


Assuming GZ is beefy enough, i don't mind this model, as it can help them create a massive game without bleeding money.

Also i think the wait between one and the other will match the storyline aspect of Snake being in a coma pretty well.
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Kid soldier probably, we already have Chico, a kid that is supposedly tortured for information, kid Psycho Mantis, who no doubt has been experimented on and used for war, and we also have that 3d model of black kid who we dont know the role yet.

Also possibilities that we'll be killing some kids if theyre enemies too. Even gta shy away from kids violence.
 
Callibretto said:
Kid soldier probably, we already have Chico, a kid that is supposedly tortured for information, kid Psycho Mantis, who no doubt has been experimented on and used for war, and we also have that 3d model of black kid who we dont know the role yet.

Also possibilities that we'll be killing some kids if theyre enemies too. Even gta shy away from kids violence.
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I can see that happening.
Can't wait for the shitstorm.

Also what horn are you guys talking about?
 
Deuterium said:
The artifact consists of a series of rooms, which must be traversed by the explorers. Each time they enter a new room, they are shut in. The door leading onward will only open if they solve a complicated mathematical puzzle/problem. If their answer is incorrect, very bad things happen.
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Man, this sounds like video games.
 
So I'm pretty certain that the voice at the end isn't a Big Boss and is actually just Kaz Miller. Big Boss wakes from a 9 year coma, Kaz tells him about their new home the Diamond Dogs. That's how I saw it anyway and after listening to some PW clips of Kaz talking it honestly sounds very similar to him. Hope for Hayter yet?
 
makiri said:
So I'm pretty certain that the voice at the end isn't a Big Boss and is actually just Kaz Miller. Big Boss wakes from a 9 year coma, Kaz tells him about their new home the Diamond Dogs. That's how I saw it anyway and after listening to some PW clips of Kaz talking it honestly sounds very similar to him. Hope for Hayter yet?
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Nope, there was 6 minutes of TPP gameplay shown already. It's not Hayter.
 
Discotheque said:
so the guy in the trailer and shit is big boss right? then i'm fine with a different voice. just not jack bauer. hearing keifer sutherland will just take me out of the game.

edit: oh christ, he has a horn on his head....unless this is part of a hallucination this game will be as bad as mgs4.
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The main plot elements shown are dream sequences and/or hallucinations. Of course it's going to be as "bad" as MGS4. And by bad I mean awesome.
 
Chico most certainly gets tortured, which is a difficult subject. Perhaps he gets raped too. He looked beat and emotionally broken when burnface visited him.

That would be quite the taboo.
 
makiri said:
So I'm pretty certain that the voice at the end isn't a Big Boss and is actually just Kaz Miller. Big Boss wakes from a 9 year coma, Kaz tells him about their new home the Diamond Dogs. That's how I saw it anyway and after listening to some PW clips of Kaz talking it honestly sounds very similar to him. Hope for Hayter yet?
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Yep, I think that's right. You don't hear Big Boss' voice at all in the trailer, only in the Phantom Pain gameplay footage they showed afterwards.

I think it's been confirmed that Hayter won't be in MGSV, though. I'm still holding out hope that they'll get him back for the next MGS, though, when we take control of a young Solid Snake in a retelling of the original Metal Gear games. They need to differentiate Big Boss at some point, since we know he's going to be Richard Doyle later in life, but I won't accept anyone but Hayter as Solid Snake.
 
Ok, the horn is the only thing really messing with my head. So far. Everything else looks great and is pretty explainable, but the horn...

...as our old friend David Hayter might say...

"What the hell..."
 
Why are people saying its 100% Psycho Mantis?

http://metalgear.wikia.com/wiki/Psycho_Mantis

The canonical history doesn't add up. The Phantom Pain is set somewhere around mid 1980s. Psycho Mantis at this point is still working with the KGB, and when the USSR collapses in 1991, he joins the FBI. Why would he be in a random hospital in TPP when he should be Soviet Russia working as a psychic KGB unit?

Also, due note that Psycho Mantis doesn't don the gas mask until the year 2000, after he delves too deeply into a serial killer's mind and starts going kooky himself. He wears the gas mask to 'prevent others from entering his mind'.

So...in the MGSV trailer, we see Psycho Mantis as a child in the hospital (the flag says its set in England?) when he should be part of the KGB, we see him with a gasmask that also doesn't follow canon.

Either Kojima is totally retconning his MGS1 stuff, which is stupid in my opinion, the "Solid" series should be untouchable at this point.. or this really isn't Psycho Mantis.
 
Sranger said:
Why are people saying its 100% Psycho Mantis?

http://metalgear.wikia.com/wiki/Psycho_Mantis

The canonical history doesn't add up. The Phantom Pain is set somewhere around mid 1980s. Psycho Mantis at this point is still working with the KGB, and when the USSR collapses in 1991, he joins the FBI. Why would he be in a random hospital in TPP when he should be Soviet Russia working as a psychic KGB unit?

Also, due note that Psycho Mantis doesn't don the gas mask until the year 2000, after he delves too deeply into a serial killer's mind and starts going kooky himself. He wears the gas mask to 'prevent others from entering his mind'.

So...in the MGSV trailer, we see Psycho Mantis as a child in the hospital (the flag says its set in England?) when he should be part of the KGB, we see him with a gasmask that also doesn't follow canon.

Either Kojima is totally retconning his MGS1 stuff, which is stupid in my opinion, the "Solid" series should be untouchable at this point.. or this really isn't Psycho Mantis.
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Believe me. It is. I would know.
 
Sranger said:
Why are people saying its 100% Psycho Mantis?

http://metalgear.wikia.com/wiki/Psycho_Mantis

The canonical history doesn't add up. The Phantom Pain is set somewhere around mid 1980s. Psycho Mantis at this point is still working with the KGB, and when the USSR collapses in 1991, he joins the FBI. Why would he be in a random hospital in TPP when he should be Soviet Russia working as a psychic KGB unit?

Also, due note that Psycho Mantis doesn't don the gas mask until the year 2000, after he delves too deeply into a serial killer's mind and starts going kooky himself. He wears the gas mask to 'prevent others from entering his mind'.

So...in the MGSV trailer, we see Psycho Mantis as a child in the hospital (the flag says its set in England?) when he should be part of the KGB, we see him with a gasmask that also doesn't follow canon.

Either Kojima is totally retconning his MGS1 stuff, which is stupid in my opinion, the "Solid" series should be untouchable at this point.. or this really isn't Psycho Mantis.
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I don't get the impression that kid Mantis is one of the patients in the hospital. here's the scenario at the hospital. Big Boss is a patient, some unknown organization go there trying to kill him, and Ocelot go there trying to save him.

Mantis can be either with the team trying to kill BB, or with Ocelot trying to save him. as for the gasmask, all soldier wear a gasmask in this particular mission.
 
Sranger said:
Why are people saying its 100% Psycho Mantis?
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It looks like a duck and hovers while wearing a gasmask like a duck :P

It could end up being a new character entirely, but at this point it's just easiest to assume it's Mantis and have Kojima potentially blow our minds down the road. I don't remember half of that stuff about Mantis' history, I have to admit. Is it actually from the games, like in CODEC conversations, or from things like the comics and novelization?
 
matrix-cat said:
It looks like a duck and hovers while wearing a gasmask like a duck :P

It could end up being a new character entirely, but at this point it's just easiest to assume it's Mantis and have Kojima potentially blow our minds down the road. I don't remember half of that stuff about Mantis' history, I have to admit. Is it actually from the games, like in CODEC conversations, or from things like the comics and novelization?
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we don't know who is attacking the hospital, maybe it is KGB, and all soldier there wear gasmask, so Mantis wearing one at that time might just be standard procedure for the mission, not to prevent other people's thought going into him. but it'd make a nice throwback for the viewer
 
Sranger said:
Why are people saying its 100% Psycho Mantis?

http://metalgear.wikia.com/wiki/Psycho_Mantis

The canonical history doesn't add up. The Phantom Pain is set somewhere around mid 1980s. Psycho Mantis at this point is still working with the KGB, and when the USSR collapses in 1991, he joins the FBI. Why would he be in a random hospital in TPP when he should be Soviet Russia working as a psychic KGB unit?

Also, due note that Psycho Mantis doesn't don the gas mask until the year 2000, after he delves too deeply into a serial killer's mind and starts going kooky himself. He wears the gas mask to 'prevent others from entering his mind'.

So...in the MGSV trailer, we see Psycho Mantis as a child in the hospital (the flag says its set in England?) when he should be part of the KGB, we see him with a gasmask that also doesn't follow canon.

Either Kojima is totally retconning his MGS1 stuff, which is stupid in my opinion, the "Solid" series should be untouchable at this point.. or this really isn't Psycho Mantis.
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When you keep reworking the same fiction over and over for almost 30 years, you're bound to stop giving a shit about canon logic.
 
gibon3z said:
I fail to understand why the pc version isn't simultaneously announced .

Are they afraid the graphical fidelity of the pc version will hurt sales on current and next gen consoles ?
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I would get me ea PC version in a heartbeat over a console version. It's a damn shame they don't release MGS on PC anymore.
 
I wonder if they can top character names like Hot Coldman and Pacifica Ocean.
 
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