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MGR Revengeance PC doesn't work offline (UPDATE: Fix out, go back to ripping spines)
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SouthernGangstaNerd
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Well good luck buying any newer high profile game then? That's a personal problem, not the game's.
Or poor download speeds.
Game was a bitch and half to get for some people and now it's difficult to play in a satisfactory manner.
I haven't been rooting against it and I really want to play it, but the issues aren't minor. It's a sloppy port. The game design isn't hurt at all, but not running offline? Spotty monitor support?
WTF was the QA team doing?
you care when you're the 'some people' it affects
Cinematics are prerendered in 30fps. Was like that on console as well. There are a lot of them and we put the highest quality versions into the PC build, which is why there are so many gigs of data.
ProfessorMoran
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Konami: Deal with it.Wow that's a huge fuck you from konami.
It's not an issue with bandwidth or time to download because I get like 1.8MB/s downloads where I am, but 21 gigs is just cinematics out of 24? That's silly. I'm grateful for the port but somewhere in the line someone had to have been "this game is like 90% cutscene data" and thought about some slightly smaller files.
I recall this occuring for some other game I d/l'd recently. Batman maybe? It seems relatively common with larger scale ports
The PS3 version is also a similar size download btw, so it's not like it's a "problem" due to it being a PC port.
I wish they were at least optional. I'm stuck with a 3Mbps connection that runs at full speed maybe 5 hours out of the day if I'm lucky and would have been fine with 480p cutscenes if it meant saving (literally) days of downloading.
jacksepticeye
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What a messy launch.
First it was the resolution problem
Then us Irish people were black listed from seeing the game on store pages by accident and it got fixed just before the game released
Then people reported problems of the game locking at certain framerates or not going to 60fps despite beast rigs or having black screens when set to fullscreen mode
now the always on DRM.
I know these will all get fixed but man what a mess, not to mention the game is almost 24 fucking GB and like 20 of that are cutscenes
First it was the resolution problem
Then us Irish people were black listed from seeing the game on store pages by accident and it got fixed just before the game released
Then people reported problems of the game locking at certain framerates or not going to 60fps despite beast rigs or having black screens when set to fullscreen mode
now the always on DRM.
I know these will all get fixed but man what a mess, not to mention the game is almost 24 fucking GB and like 20 of that are cutscenes
Shaqiri1287
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Fun game. I am enjoying it.
Ultimadrago
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Yep. It's still an awful circumstance.
Messofanego
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I think it's about time there was an outsourcing port company that specialises in PC ports for Japanese games. Maybe there already is? James Mielke was trying to get more Japanese games on Steam, these developers and publishers maybe need a helping hand if PC is so alien to them. I don't think Durante can fix all these problems for every port by himself, selfless lad.
Yeah, I personally loved the 20 GB of cutscenes that meant I left my computer on two nights to download the whole thing. But yeah, there's a load of technical issues that seem to sour it but how the game plays so makes up for it. I hope it gets all patched up and awesome, I want more of these console games to make it to PC.
I think it's about time there was an outsourcing port company that specialises in PC ports for Japanese games. Maybe there already is? James Mielke was trying to get more Japanese games on Steam, these developers and publishers maybe need a helping hand if PC is so alien to them. I don't think Durante can fix all these problems for every port by himself, selfless lad.
To be honest with you, the issues aren't that bad.
For a first time company with no prior experience, its actually a very solid experience.
The resolution lock and the always online bug aside, the other issues are minor. We should have fixes for all of these things coming down the line.
Sorry for DP.
EatChildren made a very good point in the OT, its unfortunate but these larger sizes are coming. Best case scenario is companies allow people to download the high-quality cutscene separately, similar to the Sleeping Dogs high-res texture pack.
EatChildren made a very good point in the OT, its unfortunate but these larger sizes are coming. Best case scenario is companies allow people to download the high-quality cutscene separately, similar to the Sleeping Dogs high-res texture pack.
jacksepticeye
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I think it's about time there was an outsourcing port company that specialises in PC ports for Japanese games. Maybe there already is? James Mielke was trying to get more Japanese games on Steam, these developers and publishers maybe need a helping hand if PC is so alien to them. I don't think Durante can fix all these problems for every port by himself, selfless lad.
Well like others have said it's a byproduct of having high quality cutscenes because shrinking videos down is bloody fucking difficult without destroying the integrity of the image
Makes sense why so many games these days have lower res cutscenes with lots of compression artifacts because games become quite huge otherwise
As eatchildren pointed out (posted by Grief above), Max Payne 3 was another culprit of this
Messofanego
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Yeah, that was far preferable. Also, Nixxes did that port, and they seem to be the top of the list.
That region locking thing is so damn stupid. If that's Konami's decision to allow people to buy the game but not play in certain regions, why?
Money or licencing issue, not really 100% sure.
The majority of big publishers are doing such things nowadays, its unfortunate.
Messofanego
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Region double dipping, my god...
Yeah, I agree. I mean, the absolutely ideal case would be offering a choice for more compressed movie assets, but barring that including the highest quality ones is a very good thing.
ambientmystic
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Does QLOC count? They're pretty much responsible for some of the best PC ports for Japanese games published by CAPCOM and others in recent years.
Notable games in their porting repertoire:-
Street Fighter IV
Super Street Fighter IV Arcade Edition
Street Fighter x Tekken
Resident Evil 6
DmC (runs at insane FPS with insane supersampling applied on midrange machines)
Ace Combat: Assault Horizon
amongst many others.
All of their ports are brilliantly optimized for the PC and run on toasters/potato PCs, come with all the options PC gamers expect from their ports, and are rarely found wanting. CAPCOM was pretty enamored with them that they used them repeatedly to port over quite a number of their games to the PC.
Dreams-Visions
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wrong thread.
ambientmystic
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Heh yeah, the rage in quite a few PC threads when those low res insufferable Bink cutscenes were used in games and how it detracts from the game experience was pretty palpable lol. Can't please everyone lol.
Case in point, the MKKE PC port which used the really horribly compressed ones from the 360 version of the game instead of the superior PS3 ones. Enterprising modders promptly provided the means to replace them with the PS3 cutscenes.
DmC is not japanese. But you are right, those Capcom games run great even on old PC's.
Cutscenes drop down to 30 because they are videos(bink?) and not real time. If there is Rising 2 someday I hope they'll use real time cutscenes just because the cutscene to gameplay transitions in MGS4 look so damn good.
Same here. I absolute hate it when cutscene videos are compressed to shit.
Messofanego
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Good to know.
Yeah. I'm actually really happy about how the cutscenes look compared to the 360 version's which are compressed horribly. I'll gladly download an extra 14 gigs for something decent.
They could compress them for the main game and people with bandwith caps and offer a high res download for the people that want them. Best of both worlds.
Diablo 3 was fucking horrible, wasnt surprise though because i always knew it was a console game.
Well, Steam doesn't need to support particular encoding methods because it just looks at the data as it is presented. It's virtually no different to dumping an MKV file into a 7zip archive -- there is some compression, but you can only compress content, that is itself already compressed, so far.
One side stayed quiet because it didn't affect them, then they speak up when it DOES affect them while the other goes silent because they get what they want.
It'd be nice if Steam could be set up in a way to toggle stuff like that though, that way we can get a nice low storage versions with small movie files, OR because bandwidth/hard drive space isn't a big deal we go big. And frankly the latter's not a big issue unless you're on ONLY an SSD or something these days, hard drives are pretty cheap and it's easy to get at least a TB one. Games will probably regularly blow up to double that now the PS4 and XB1 are out anyway. The former's the bigger deal because many providers have limits that may or may not be enforced, it's part of why going streaming is WAY more premature than a lot of people would seemingly like.
There might be other quirks though, like whether it can snap back to gameplay easily or not. Though given how easily the game is crushed even by old hardware I imagine it may've been possible.
Still, I'd rather they go overkill here than give me low quality FMVs that are using in-game assets anyway, I find those WAY more jarring like in Deus Ex, whereas these can at least fool me especially on consoles. I'm not as hung up on immersion as some people given that games inherently have too many aspects that keep you from actually feeling like you're there or anything like that, but I do want a consistent experience. Especially at the points where being nice looking may matter most.
This.
I only have a 7mbps connection, but I'd take Max Payne 3 and MGR over Alan Wake and Darksiders any day of the of the week if I had to choose based on cut scenes alone.
Given the choice between a reasonable download size and spending the better half of the day downloading the cutscenes, I'll take the former every time. They're both shit, the heart of the problem is wasting my bandwidth on garbage that I'll most likely be skipping anyway.
I, expect rare ocassions like with The Stanley Parable, never buy a game on Day one. There's always something that is going to go wrong, specially nowadays with the commodity of future patches and DLC (and don't get me started on Season Passes).
I trust the goodwill of Konami and Platinum since they took the effort of releasing this awesome game on PC, but I'll still wait for it to be fixed.
I trust the goodwill of Konami and Platinum since they took the effort of releasing this awesome game on PC, but I'll still wait for it to be fixed.
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