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[SolidSnakex]

Well, I bought it today, so maybe word of mouth is helping it some (I actually picked up the game because of the GAF hype train).

Well it improved alot in the December charts. So the word on it seems to be getting out. I think alot of people were waiting ot see if it really turned out like MGS2 or not, once they heard it didn't they went and got it.

 

[mashoutposse]

After ZOE2, I knew they were gonna fix the series somehow. They respond to constructive criticism well.

 

[SolidSnakex]

Yah they did a good job with it. I guess the main thing they fixed was the codecs, which are barely in the game now.

It's sold over 700k in the US now (another 700+k in Japan), it should be over a million in the US by the end of this month. It's a slower pace than MGS2, but it's a steady climb.

 

[All Hail C-Webb]

I agree. HOWEVER, if a casual gamer who owns a PS2 sees RE4 and GC, they're not going to go ahead and purchase a GC because of that game. That's what I'm saying. To think that is just... really... REALLY hoping beyond hope.

A casual gamer will wait for the PS2 version, and those GC owners will buy their game and be content. Console sales for GC will increase minimally for the month of Jan, and that'll be the end of it.

Casual gamers don't know that RE4 is coming to the PS2, and they sure as fuck have no clue that it might have extra features. A casual gamer who see's the RE commercial, or demo at a store will probably be intrigued. If they don't already own a GC, they will see how cheap it is, with Mario Kart no less (it won't make anyone buy a GC,but it's a nice bonus), walk up to the cashier and say that they want a GC, and RE. It would be extremely stupid of the store clerk to mention that the game will be coming out on the PS2 sometime near the end of 2005, and even dumber to tell the customer to wait because there might be some extra features.

I personally don't think that RE will have a huge first month (~200,000), or that it will bump GC sales significantly (20,000-30,000 more than it would have sold without RE), but the announcement of the PS2 version will have absolutely nothing to do with RE4's lack of success on the GC.

The only way that Resident Evil would ever have a huge effect on Nintendo, would be if they secured RE5 as a near launch title for the Revolution, and the graphics were significantly better than any game released up to that point )on any console).

 

[Amir0x]

Casual gamers don't know that RE4 is coming to the PS2, and they sure as fuck have no clue that it might have extra features. A casual gamer who see's the RE commercial, or demo at a store will probably be intrigued. If they don't already own a GC, they will see how cheap it is, with Mario Kart no less (it won't make anyone buy a GC,but it's a nice bonus), walk up to the cashier and say that they want a GC, and RE. It would be extremely stupid of the store clerk to mention that the game will be coming out on the PS2 sometime near the end of 2005, and even dumber to tell the customer to wait because there might be some extra features.

Casuals will not by GC for RE4. That's pretty much all there is to it. And you're pretty silly if you think someone ploppin' down 150 dollars, casual or not, won't consider the options surrounding that decision, particularly the chance to save 100 bucks by NOT buying said system if they have a chance to play it on one they already own. You're even stretching it further if you think that 150 dollars falls in the category of an "impulse" buy. The only time such an event happens is with absolute exclusivity of a huge game or when the system in question happens to be the BIGGEST console on the market atm, such as GTA:SA with PS2.

Hardcore gamers are far too cynical. It'd take almost no effort to find out if RE4 was coming out for a system you own, and yet somehow this is too much for a casual. They're too "stupid."

The rest of your post largely contains numerical predictions and like I said, there will likely be a small boost. But it will be from hardcore gamers, not from casuals. And the rest of the casuals will look at GC say "Nope, not even for RE4" and then if they don't already know that it's coming out for PS2 the nail in the coffin will be dealt when they find out. Especially since RE4 for PS2 is likely to come out during the crucial Christmas season, when casuals considering purchasing new games/systems will be able to make yet another decision.

 

[Broshnat]

Casuals will not by GC for RE4. That's pretty much all there is to it. And you're pretty silly if you think someone ploppin' down 150 dollars, casual or not, won't consider the options surrounding that decision, particularly the chance to save 100 bucks by NOT buying said system if they have a chance to play it on one they already own. You're even stretching it further if you think that 150 dollars falls in the category of an "impulse" buy. The only time such an event happens is with absolute exclusivity of a huge game or when the system in question happens to be the BIGGEST console on the market atm, such as GTA:SA with PS2.

Hardcore gamers are far too cynical. It'd take almost no effort to find out if RE4 was coming out for a system you own, and yet somehow this is too much for a casual. They're too "stupid."

The rest of your post largely contains numerical predictions and like I said, there will likely be a small boost. But it will be from hardcore gamers, not from casuals. And the rest of the casuals will look at GC say "Nope, not even for RE4" and then if they don't already know that it's coming out for PS2 the nail in the coffin will be dealt when they find out. Especially since RE4 for PS2 is likely to come out during the crucial Christmas season, when casuals considering purchasing new games/systems will be able to make yet another decision.

So you'd wait nearly a year while all your mates are sitting at home with their gamecubes telling you how amazing the game is, just so you can play it on your playstation? You don't think the $150 or so it would probably cost for you to go out and purchase a cube+ MKD + RE4 would be a reasonable option?

 

[SolidSnakex]

So you'd wait nearly a year while all your mates are sitting at home with their gamecubes telling you how amazing the game is, just so you can play it on your playstation? You don't think the $150 or so it would probably cost for you to go out and purchase a cube+ MKD + RE4 would be a reasonable option?

You've got to consider alot of casuals aren't interested in the GC or else they'd have one already. Buying it for 1 game simply isn't an option for them when they can just wait and get it on the PS2 later on. It's not like they're going to have a shortage of games on that system while they wait.

 

[Mooreberg]

You are dead wrong. If anything, it is the hardcore gamer, who is too stubborn to by a GameCube that will end up waiting.

Unless things have changed drastically since like... last week... people who identify themselves as "hardcore gamers" will buy another system for $99 if they want a particular game bad enough. It's the people whose lives don't revolve around games that will wait. All the stuff that just came out in November and December will be enough to keep them busy well into this year.

edit: +1 MGS

 

[Amir0x]

So you'd wait nearly a year while all your mates are sitting at home with their gamecubes telling you how amazing the game is, just so you can play it on your playstation? You don't think the $150 or so it would probably cost for you to go out and purchase a cube+ MK: DD + RE4 would be a reasonable option?

Yes if I was a casual because...

a.) There are only 15,000,000 Gamecube owners worldwide. In other words, there aren't many mates "talking" about it anyway because there aren't that many GC owners in the first place. And this isn't like Halo 2 where it's advertised on EVERY SINGLE CHANNEL 50 times a day, in every movie theatre five hundred times a day, and in every single magazine thirty different times.

b.) My life does not revolve around gaming! Therefore, it does not matter to me if I wait because in the end I'm still going to play this game and decide for myself whether it is good or not. I am a casual. 150 dollars is at the point where it's no longer an impulse buy. I must take several things into consideration. As a casual, I don't give two fucks if I have to wait. I'll just pass the time playing all my Christmas swag.

c.) As part of the casual majority that dictates where this industry goes, I don't give a fuck about MK: DD or most Nintendo games for that matter, so MK: DD does not sweeten the deal. At all. I passed on it for 99 bucks, when it was a "better" value than all comparative consoles. I will pass on it again.



As a casual, yes, I will not spend 150 bucks to play a game I can get in less than a year anyway. That's correct. Alternatively, as a casual I will not spend 150 dollars to play a game that I perceive is exclusive to GC, since one game is not enough to promote an impulse buy in me. Especially since after RE4 the thing will go in the closet and gather dust, since GC games are way, way too kiddie for me.

As a casual, I will stick to PS2. And maybe Xbox, because that system is starting to look cool.


IF I was a casual. Which I'm not. So it doesn't matter how much I love RE4 on my GC, this will not apply to how casuals react to this game. It simply isn't as big a deal as Halo 2 or GTA:SA, and it's worsened by the fact that it's on GC... a system 9/10 casuals perceive as "too kiddie" for them

 

[Broshnat]

Yes if I was a casual because...

a.) There are only 15,000,000 Gamecube owners worldwide. In other words, there aren't many mates "talking" about it anyway because there aren't that many GC owners in the first place. And this isn't like Halo 2 where it's advertised on EVERY SINGLE CHANNEL 50 times a day, in every movie theatre five hundred times a day, and in every single magazine thirty different times.

b.) My life does not revolve around gaming! Therefore, it does not matter to me if I wait because in the end I'm still going to play this game and decide for myself whether it is good or not. I am a casual. 150 dollars is at the point where it's no longer an impulse buy. I must take several things into consideration. As a casual, I don't give two fucks if I have to wait. I'll just pass the time playing all my Christmas swag.

c.) As part of the casual majority that dictates where this industry I don't give a fuck about MK: DD or most Nintendo games for that matter, so MK: DD does not sweeten the deal. At all. I passed on it for 99 bucks, when it was a "better" value than all comparative consoles. I will pass on it again.



As a casual, yes, I will not spend 150 bucks to play a game I can get in less than a year anyway. That's correct. Alternatively, as a casual I will not spend 150 dollars to play a game that I perceive is exclusive to GC, since one game is not enough to promote an impulse buy in me. Especially since after RE4 the thing will go in the closet and gather dust, since GC games are way, way too kiddie for me.

As a casual, I will stick to PS2. And maybe Xbox, because that system is starting to look cool.

What a load of crap

 

[Amir0x]

What a load of crap

It's a load of crap, except for the fact it's true in every single way.

 

[Broshnat]

It's a load of crap, except for the fact it's true in every single way.

In your opinion. What makes you think your represent the "casual gamer"?

If I saw an advert for RE4 and went to play it in a shop and was blown away by it, I'd go out and buy a gc to play it.

 

[Amir0x]

In your opinion. What makes you think your represent the "casual gamer"?

For one, I'm not a fanboy so I can see a little more clearly than you can through your purple-colored goggles tossing out insane numbers like 400,000.

For two, years of retail experience and years of trends to indicate how things work. Trends which you have conveniently ignored, might I add, even though you clearly follow numbers more closely than I have.

For three, the facts which draw out the truth about the issue. In the instance of MK: DD + GC for 99 bucks, casuals STILL ignored that system. Which you should also know.

For four, anecdotal evidence since almost all my friends are casual gamers. As a one of the lone hardcore gamers in a group, none of my gushing about RE4 has inspired any of them to action. This is anecdotal evidence and entirely pointless for this argument, but it's the last leg of my certainty in this issue.

If I saw an advert for RE4 and went to play it in a shop and was blown away by it, I'd go out and buy a gc to play it.

Indeed, you would.

You're a hardcore gamer and without tossing out too many accusations, your viewpoint is just a TAD bit slanted against the competition.

 

[Mooreberg]

You can't really expect to know what a bunch of people who consider gaming to be a passing interest would do. Maybe they'll run out and buy the system and the game. Maybe they'll just borrow their friend's system and game. Maybe they'll hear it's coming out on another system they already own. Nobody will really know anything until the January NPD is released next month.

 

[Broshnat]

For three, the facts which draw out the truth about the issue. In the instance of MK: DD + GC for 99 bucks, casuals STILL ignored that system. Which you should also know.

Who ignored what system? The Mario Kart bundle did well as far as I'm concerned. As well as any other bundle has done in the past.

 

[Amir0x]

You can't really expect to know what a bunch of people who consider gaming to be a passing interest would do. Maybe they'll run out and buy the system and the game. Maybe they'll just borrow their friend's system and game. Maybe they'll hear it's coming out on another system they already own. Nobody will really know anything until the January NPD is released next month.

Well we can come to conclusions based on trends and anecdotal evidence, which tends to be fairly accurate at times.

But especially in the case of GC it's been around for several years now and nothing - and I mean nothing - has inspired casuals to get that system. RE4 can't move mountains, no matter how good. No matter how much GAF-hype there is. No matter how many times the commercial flashes on ESPN.

It'll sell extremely well and it'll saturate its userbase and I predict huge numbers for this game. But as for casuals buying this particular system, there's simply nothing that indicates such a thing. Whereas there ARE things that indicate that the opposite is likely to happen.

Who ignored what system? The Mario Kart bundle did well as far as I'm concerned. As well as any other bundle has done in the past.

Yeaaaaaah. You keep thinking that. The GC price drop/bundle inspired a temporary increase in sales like all systems do, but unlike other systems the interest quickly tapers off and the initial interest simply does not compare to the competition. Casuals do NOT want GC.

You're the same person predicting Nintendo might be able to turn the trend a bit by the end of 2005! You simply don't have a unbiased viewpoint in all this, and it's made extremely clear in this discussion.

 

[Morbo]

To argue about what "casuals" will or won't do is pretty crazy. Some will buy a GC for RE4, (I know plenty of people who own a console with only one game) some won't.

I don't know what the cut off point is between casual and hardcore. Do you gauge it by time spent playing, percentage of EA games in someones collection or maybe whether someone follows gaming media?. edit: Or maybe as indicated above, a casual is someone who doesn't want a GameCube.

Any way you arbitrarily cut it you're left with a lot of people with vastly differing levels of dedication to gaming.
Stop this madness. Oh it's just me? Fuck it.

 

[Broshnat]

Well we can come to conclusions based on trends and anecdotal evidence, which tends to be fairly accurate at times.

But especially in the case of GC it's been around for several years now and nothing - and I mean nothing - has inspired casuals to get that system. RE4 can't move mountains, no matter how good. No matter how much GAF-hype there is. No matter how many times the commercial flashes on ESPN.

It'll sell extremely well and it'll saturate its userbase and I predict huge numbers for this game. But as for casuals buying this particular system, there's simply nothing that indicates such a thing. Whereas there ARE things that indicate that the opposite is likely to happen.



Yeaaaaaah. You keep thinking that. The GC price drop/bundle inspired a temporary increase in sales like all systems do, but unlike other systems the interest quickly tapers off and the initial interest simply does not compare to the competition. Casuals do NOT want GC.

You're the same person predicting Nintendo might be able to turn the trend a bit by the end of 2005! You simply don't have a unbiased viewpoint in all this, and it's made extremely clear in this discussion.

Just wait and see. I'll remember to bring this thread up again when Jan NPD comes out, and also in Jan 2006 when we see that GC had a great 2005.

 

[Amir0x]

Just wait and see. I'll remember to bring this thread up again when Jan NPD comes out, and also in Jan 2006 when we see that GC had a great 2005.

You better establish what "great" means now so that we know just what ridiculous levels you think this will fly. With you predicting things like 400,000 for Jan, there's zero doubt you'll be wrong with whatever prediction you make about the Nintendo side of things.

Like I said, RE4 will sell really well. I predict fantastic sales, saturating much of the 15,000,000 fanbase GC has. I predict a medium-level increase in GC console sales over Jan 04.

But as for it somehow changing the trend for Nintendo in this console wars, there's no possibility. And as for GC selling 400,000 in Jan, again... no possibility.

 

[Broshnat]

You better establish what "great" means now so that we know just what ridiculous levels you think this will fly. With you predicting things like 400,000 for Jan, there's zero doubt you'll be wrong with whatever prediction you make about the Nintendo side of things.

Like I said, RE4 will sell really well. I predict fantastic sales, saturating much of the 15,000,000 fanbase GC has. I predict a medium-level increase in GC console sales over Jan 04.

But as for it somehow changing the trend for Nintendo in this console wars, there's no possibility. And as for GC selling 400,000 in Jan, again... no possibility.

What is this trend you keep talking about??

 

[Odnetnin]

For one, I'm not a fanboy so I can see a little more clearly than you can through your purple-colored goggles tossing out insane numbers like 400,000.

For two, years of retail experience and years of trends to indicate how things work. Trends which you have conveniently ignored, might I add, even though you clearly follow numbers more closely than I have.

For three, the facts which draw out the truth about the issue. In the instance of MK: DD + GC for 99 bucks, casuals STILL ignored that system. Which you should also know.

For four, anecdotal evidence since almost all my friends are casual gamers. As a one of the lone hardcore gamers in a group, none of my gushing about RE4 has inspired any of them to action. This is anecdotal evidence and entirely pointless for this argument, but it's the last leg of my certainty in this issue.

Indeed, you would.

You're a hardcore gamer and without tossing out too many accusations, your viewpoint is just a TAD bit slanted against the competition.

um... good work. Bring out the fanboy slag. You're discounting the fact that GC actually did alright with the MK bundle. THey didn't have a HYPEMONSTER like Halo2 (huge budget on everything so even if they have massive profits...they'd also have massive costs entailed). Nintendo did A-OKAY with their bundle. So Casuals didn't STILL IGNORE the cube.... but way more people were sucked into the massive hype. Please...... You'd be really dumb to discount that. The fact that XBOX is going to wind down as MS preps Xenon will also mean that at the end of this gen Cube will probably over take XBOX and all this with Nintendo making a profit

I hate the way you post. Your big As a casual speech is just dumb. If I were .. If I were... this is what I'd do.. you don't know shit. that's what. Hell I don't too... but I don't professor to be the expert on casual-think.

... insert crap about casualness spouted by Amirox ..... + It's a load of crap, except for the fact it's true in every single way.

but then... you'd full of it so I guess you know

 

[Amir0x]

What is this trend you keep talking about??

The trend where Nintendo continues to do poorly next to Microsoft and Sony and where it has no momentum whatsoever and where casuals continue to not care about Nintendo GC.

And I don't mean in terms of making profit, obviously. I mean momentum in terms of growing market share.

um... good work. Bring out the fanboy slag. You're discounting the fact that GC actually did alright with the MK bundle. THey didn't have a HYPEMONSTER like Halo2 (huge budget on everything so even if they have massive profits...they'd also have massive costs entailed). Nintendo did A-OKAY with their bundle.

Did A-OKAY by whose standards? We're not talking about making a profit, Nintendo ALWAYS does that. We're talking comparatively to the other systems on the market, and not even the MK Bundle made a ripple.

So Casuals didn't STILL IGNORE the cube.... but way more people were sucked into the massive hype.

No, casuals pretty much still did ignore the Cube. 15,000,000 Cube owners, 80,000,000 PS2 owners. That's quite a large gap.

Please...... You'd be really dumb to discount that. The fact that XBOX is going to wind down as MS preps Xenon will also mean that at the end of this gen Cube will probably over take XBOX and all this with Nintendo making a profit

I think it's more dumb to think that somehow casuals are going to say "OMG, RE4! GC GET!" as if 150 dollars is the definition of impulse purchases, as if most casuals go on spending sprees after Christmas, and as if most casuals would buy ANOTHER system they don't really want because of one game.

As for the Cube probably take Xbox, you may be right. But that'll only be because Microsoft left this generation early, not because Nintendo had more momentum than Microsoft. In truthful fact, I don't know a single person who wouldn't suggest that from a marketshare perspective Microsoft has the momentum, and Nintendo - sadly, I might add - doesn't.

I hate the way you post. Your big As a casual speech is just dumb. If I were .. If I were... this is what I'd do.. you don't know shit. that's what. Hell I don't too... but I don't professor to be the expert on casual-think.

I speak the truth and don't sugar coat it. Since I have no affiliations and no preferences for any system, I also believe I have a bit of a clearer picture than most people do. That may sound like I'm full of myself - and indeed, I admit I am in many ways - but this perspective has led me to make many accurate predictions over the years, so I kind of have a right to be.

Truth is, I'm not a expert... you know that, I know that... but I believe I have a firm grasp on how casuals react, and I've almost never been wrong in this regard. And I don't believe it'll start with completely illogical GC numbers in Jan 05.

but then... you'd full of it so I guess you know

u r clevar!

 

[Broshnat]

The trend where Nintendo continues to do poorly next to Microsoft and Sony and where it has no momentum whatsoever and where casuals continue to not care about Nintendo GC.

And I don't mean in terms of making profit, obviously. I mean momentum in terms of growing market share.



Did A-OKAY by whose standards? We're not talking about making a profit, Nintendo ALWAYS does that. We're talking comparatively to the other systems on the market, and not even the MK Bundle made a ripple.



No, casuals pretty much still did ignore the Cube. 15,000,000 Cube owners, 80,000,000 PS2 owners. That's quite a large gap.



I think it's more dumb to think that somehow casuals are going to say "OMG, RE4! GC GET!" as if 150 dollars is the definition of impulse purchases, as if most casuals go on spending sprees after Christmas, and as if most casuals would buy ANOTHER system they don't really want because of one game.

As for the Cube probably take Xbox, you may be right. But that'll only be because Microsoft left this generation early, not because Nintendo had more momentum than Microsoft. In truthful fact, I don't know a single person who would suggest that from a marketshare perspective Microsoft has the momentum, and Nintendo - sadly, I might add - doesn't.



I speak the truth and don't sugar coat it. Since I have no affiliations and no preferences for any system, I also believe I have a bit of a clearer picture than most people do. That may sound like I'm full of myself - and indeed, I admit I am in many ways - but this perspective has led me to make many accurate predictions over the years, so I kind of have a right to be.

Truth is, I'm not expect... you know that, I know that... but I believe I have a firm grasp on how casuals react, and I've almost never been wrong in this regard. And I don't believe it'll start with completely illogical GC numbers in Jan 05.



u r clevar!

Idiot

 

[Broshnat]

RE4 gets a 9.6 reader review average on gamespot...

 

[Amir0x]

Idiot

This incredible bit of insight has led me to change my views!

Oh. Wait. No it doesn't, because I'm right.

RE4 gets a 9.6 reader review average on gamespot...

I don't think anyone was suggesting that RE4 is anything other than phenomenal, or that the readership of Gamespot is extremely pleased with the result.

 

[Odnetnin]

Idiot

:lol :lol

 

[Amir0x]

:lol :lol

My name is Odnetnin and not only can't I think for myself, but I lack any substantial sense of humour outside of obscure insults and me-too circle jerks.

 

[Broshnat]

This incredible bit of insight has led me to change my views!

Oh. Wait. No it doesn't, because I'm right.

You seem ok in previous posts, but you're obviously having a "lets bash Nintendo" day today, and I have not time for you to be quite honest. Most of the things you have said are idiotic and I say so because I'm right.

 

[Amir0x]

You seem ok in previous posts, but you're obviously having a "lets bash Nintendo" day today, and I have not time for you to be quite honest. Most of the things you have said are idiotic and I say so because I'm right.

You mean I'm having another "seeing clearly as always and not allowing favoritism to cloud my judgment" day? Oh, yeah, I have lots of those.

Not only have you failed to demonstrate even once why what I have said is wrong and not only have you totally failed to represent for even a moment why every single trend we have in regards to how Gamecube sells year after year would be bucked by a single high quality title but you have made completely illlogical predictions regarding what will happen, even if RE4 DOES inspire a few extra people to buy the GC (which, you'll note, I think will occur... but it'll be minor [+20,000? over Jan 04] and it will be from hardcores more than casuals).

If I'm having a "bash Nintendo day", you must be having a "suck Nintendo's teet" day, which doesn't seem all that far from the truth based on the favoritism you've displayed in the past.

But regardless, it's not bashing Nintendo. Stating the truth in regards to how well something will sell, even if that final number is not remarkable, is not bashing. And that completely ignores my utter adoration for RE4. Believe me, if GC manages to get a push by God himself and it sells 400,000 I will be the first celebrating.

The problem is, there's almost no chance of such an event occurring. And far be it for me to let my love of the game cloud my vision about what has always been in regards to GC.

 

[Culex]

First off, the GC didn't taper off quickly when the price-cut happened, as Amir0X would like us all to believe. The high sales lasted for nearly 5 months and it outsold the Xbox 4 months in a row.

As for the trend of Nintendo doing poorly in the face of Sony/MS, take a look at the December NPD hardware numbers. Look. Really. Hard.

 

[Amir0x]

First off, the GC didn't taper off quickly when the price-cut happened, as Amir0X would like us all to believe. The high sales lasted for nearly 5 months and it outsold the Xbox 4 months in a row.

Uhm, it outsold the XBOX for 4 months in a row. It did not, you'll note, outsell the PS2 for 4 months in a row. The PS2 is the standard for casual/mainstream gamers atm.

As for the trend of Nintendo doing poorly in the face of Sony/MS, take a look at the December NPD hardware numbers. Look. Really. Hard.

You mean the December NPD where Xbox outsold PS2 and where they both outsold GC?

 

[Odnetnin]

First off, the GC didn't taper off quickly when the price-cut happened, as Amir0X would like us all to believe. The high sales lasted for nearly 5 months and it outsold the Xbox 4 months in a row.

As for the trend of Nintendo doing poorly in the face of Sony/MS, take a look at the December NPD hardware numbers. Look. Really. Hard.

but butt.... but he's always right....

rriiiiggghghhhhht.....

 

[Culex]

Uhm, it outsold the XBOX for 4 months in a row. It did not, you'll note, outsell the PS2 for 4 months in a row. The PS2 is the standard for casual/mainstream gamers atm.

That doesn't matter, you said it tapered off quickly, when in fact it did not. You were dead wrong, deal with it.

You mean the December NPD where Xbox outsold PS2 and where they both outsold GC?

Again, that doesn't matter, as you stated this:

The trend where Nintendo continues to do poorly next to Microsoft and Sony and where it has no momentum whatsoever and where casuals continue to not care about Nintendo GC.

See, blind fanboyism seems to be your cup of tea.

 

[Amir0x]

but butt.... but he's always right....

rriiiiggghghhhhht.....

READING IS FUNDAMENTAL!

 

[Amir0x]

That doesn't matter, you said it tapered off quickly, when in fact it did not. You were dead wrong, deal with it.

I said it tapered off QUICKLY, which it did - next to the standard of mainstream/casual gaming, PS2.

Again, that doesn't matter, as you stated this:

See, blind fanboyism seems to be your cup of tea.

Yeah, except I'm right as Xbox is ahead of GC worldwide and routinely outsells the GC (you'll note this means ON AVERAGE and MOST OF THE TIME, not every single time), and the PS2 just endlessly outsells the GC on damn near every single occassion.

I think "blind fanboyism" is pretty much the definition of what you're doing, which is establishing a strawman to discreetly tug at Nintendo's groin.

 

[Culex]

I said it tapered off QUICKLY, which it did - next to the standard of mainstream/casual gaming, PS2.

You made no mention of that in your post there that I quoted. Of course, to suit your nice little agenda, you'll mince your words now.

Yeah, except I'm right as Xbox is ahead of GC worldwide and routinely outsells the GC (you'll note this means ON AVERAGE and MOST OF THE TIME, not every single time), and the PS2 just endlessly outsells the GC on damn near every single occassion.

I think "blind fanboyism" is pretty much the definition of what you're doing, which is establishing a strawman to discreetly tug at Nintendo's groin.

You missed my entire point, but that's not surprising considering your history.

 

[Amir0x]

You made no mention of that in your post there that I quoted. Of course, to suit your nice little agenda, you'll mince your words now.

I thought it was pretty obvious, but apparantely not. However this was not done to suite my "agenda", since I have no agenda. I appreciate the truth and likely scenarios, instead of batshit insane predictions based only on fanboyism and blind fanaticism.

You'll note that even Broshnat admitted that this has never happened before to GC (or even N64), and that his prediction would be unprecedented. And yet knowing this, he proceeds to make the prediction anyway.

We're not discussing how good RE4 is or whether or not Nintendo is good or whether or not the GC has games worth playing for it - all of those answers are "affirmative". This is simply about GC selling 400,000, which it won't, and casuals suddenly getting up and buying the GC for RE4 even though on a consistent basis then have ignored that system in favour of PS2 and increasingly in favour of Xbox. That's all this is about. Predictions and how true they will be. You and others would do well to seperate the two, because you're allowing this extremist attitude to cloud your vision of what people REALLY mean, especially by establishing agendas.

But if you want to establish agendas, you'll note how Pikmin 2 was my GOTY 2004, and how RE4 is now on my list of top ten games of all time. How Fire Emblem is one of my favorite games this generation, and how I purchased a DS on day one despite a lack of solid launch titles. This means little, naturally, and I'm sure Broshnat has games he likes on PS2/Xbox as well as yourself.

You missed my entire point, but that's not surprising considering your history.

Stating something is in "my history" is a technique to ignore the point at hand, which you now claim I missed. Enlighten me.

 

[Socreges]

You can't really expect to know what a bunch of people who consider gaming to be a passing interest would do. Maybe they'll run out and buy the system and the game. Maybe they'll just borrow their friend's system and game. Maybe they'll hear it's coming out on another system they already own. Nobody will really know anything until the January NPD is released next month.

Amir0x knows what's up! He's objective!

 

[Amir0x]

Amir0x knows what's up! He's objective!

Roll eyes are supposed to come AFTER the sarcasm!

 

[Culex]

Stating something is in "my history" is a technique to ignore the point at hand, which you now claim I missed. Enlighten me.

Well, for starters, that pompous argument you had with Jarrod a while back and your ridiculous blanket statement.

 

[Megafoo Chavez]

let me end this. Real Hardcore gamers know Resident Evil 4 is weak. IF they think its so awesome right now let a week or two pass and they will realize they were just riding some hype. nuff said

 

[Socreges]

Roll eyes are supposed to come AFTER the sarcasm!

The italices/exclamation are a superior way of indicating sarcasm.

 

[Amir0x]

Well, for starters, that pompous argument you had with Jarrod a while back and your ridiculous blanket statement.

a.) That was your point in this discussion? That I had a "pompous argument" with jarrod and that I made what you interpret as a ridiculous blanket statement? Or maybe you misunderstood what I said. You said I missed your point, and since I'm not clear what point I missed, exactly, you should enlighten me.

b.) What "pompous" argument did I have with jarrod?

c.) What blanket statement did I make that isn't firmly established and supported by the facts? Unless you think 16-17 million GC owners worldwide shows lots of casual support next to 80,000,000 PS2.

 

[Culex]

a.) That was your point in this discussion? That I had a "pompous argument" with jarrod and that I made what you interpret as a ridiculous blanket statement? Or maybe you misunderstood what I said. You said I missed your point, and since I'm not clear what point I missed, exactly, you should enlighten me.

b.) What "pompous" argument did I have with jarrod?

c.) What blanket statement did I make that isn't firmly established and supported by the facts? Unless you think 16-17 million GC owners worldwide shows lots of casual support next to 80,000,000 PS2.

You're right, I wasn't clear enough.

Your previous arguement, if I remember correctly, was that all Capcom games on the GC sold poorly and missed their estimates, which wasn't the case. You were adament and never gave in that you were wrong, then defiantly stated that you didn't have to research it, regardless of the bold wording.

When the facts are staring you right in the face, you cannot seem to grasp that you are wrong. That's my point.



Which leads us to this thread, too. You had said that the GC still was doing poorly next to both MS and Sony, even now. Which isn't the case, since it sold very closely to the PS2 in December and 200k off from the Xbox.

You said the GC sales fell short quickly after the price drop, which again, isn't the case. You made no mention comparing that to the PS2 or Xbox until I brought it up.

 

[border]

Seems like some people want to have it both ways:

Pessimist: Why will casual gamers respond to Resident Evil now? They've turned their noses up at the last two exclusuve RE games.

Optimist: Because they will read all the great reviews in magazines! And talk to their hardcore gamer friends about it!

Pessimist: But won't the magazines and friends also tell them that the game is coming to Playstation 2, and they could just conceivably wait for it rather than buying a new system?

Optimist: Uhhhh, no.

Pessimist: So casuals are connected enough with the gaming community that they will know the game is something special, but not connected enough to know about a PS2 port?

Optimist: Uhhh, yeah.

First off, the GC didn't taper off quickly when the price-cut happened, as Amir0X would like us all to believe. The high sales lasted for nearly 5 months and it outsold the Xbox 4 months in a row.

It outsold Xbox for October, November, and December in 2003. After Christmas it was back to normal...

 

[Amir0x]

You're right, I wasn't clear enough.

Your previous arguement, if I remember correctly, was that all Capcom games on the GC sold poorly and missed their estimates, which wasn't the case. You were adament and never gave in that you were wrong, then defiantly stated that you didn't have to research it, regardless of the bold wording.

When the facts are staring you right in the face, you cannot seem to grasp that you are wrong. That's my point.

Actually if you remember that argument, which clearly you don't, I was the ONLY one showing any facts and sources up until jarrod showed me an example where a Capcom GC game DID meet expectations.

You'll also note that when he did show me that I did concede that I was wrong in making generalizations and wrong in the case of the example(s) he showed me. So it appears you selectively remembered that discussion.

When I am wrong, I have no qualms in admitting it. Even though in the example you cited it was a case of broad over-generalizations, not a case of necessarily being wrong on the large scale.

Which leads us to this thread, too. You had said that the GC still was doing poorly next to both MS and Sony, even now. Which isn't the case, since it sold very closely to the PS2 in December and 200k off from the Xbox.

You said the GC sales fell short quickly after the price drop, which again, isn't the case. You made no mention comparing that to the PS2 or Xbox until I brought it up.

A failure to specify is just a matter of semantics, since this entire discussion was a matter of casual support to consoles in comparrison to the industry standard of mainstream gaming this generation, which happens to be PS2. By implication this SHOULD be clear, even though obviously it isn't. I can't tell whether this is a case of you nitpicking at anything negative said about Nintendo or if this is really a case of me not being clear, but in any event it is clear now so there should be no mistakes what I meant.

On top of that, you mention December NPD...which is nice. Except the GC still didn't outsell Xbox or PS2, despite widespread shortages AND the fact that GC is 50 dollars cheaper with a game bundled in. It's nice GC didn't do as poorly as it normally did, but what is your standard? We're talking market share next to PS2/Xbox, and you just listed an example where the GC was simply close and yet was still outsold by PS2/Xbox.

 

[Virgin Wii]

And teh winnar is...














































































Amir0x! Now for the presenting of the trophy.

 

[Amir0x]

And teh winnar is...


Amir0x! Now for the presenting of the trophy.

Oh God! I don't know what to say!

First I'd like to thank my parents, whose neverending support has carried me through these difficult times of tribulation. Similarly I'd like to express my love and undying support to the Lord Almighty, Jesus Christ as saviour...and...


...hey wait a minute, this trophy is filled with dung!

 

[Socreges]

And teh winnar is...

Amir0x! Now for the presenting of the trophy.

To be fair, it was a photo finish. Let's review the footage!

Oh, and it's Amir0x by a hair! Congratulations!

 

[Amir0x]

To be fair, it was a photo finish. Let's review the footage...

Oh, and it's Amir0x by a hair! Congratulations!

Come on Socreges, that is like the oldest picture on the internet! You should have put more effort into that one! No goal.