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Oh my.
Thats a pretty cool thing to do.

 

[Tommie Hu$tle]

While I think most networks CEOs would salivate, orgasam, and spontaniously combust at the thought of the ad revenues the movie could possibly bring in. It don't think they would want to mess with vengance bomb that would occur if Bush were re-elected.

 

[clipunderground]

Lol... I hope it airs..

 

[Pimpwerx]

Come on Comedy Central. Hell, HBO or Showtime or something has to jump on this. Lots of potential ad revenue indeed, and the discussions this would create would be overwhelming. I don't think there would be any revenge, as there's nothing the administration can do. They can probably have their mutt Powell have the FCC try to block it under some obscure and inane federal clause, but I doubt it. I haven't seen the movie yet, so I think this would be awesome. Hope it happens, but I'm not holding my breath. PEACE.

 

[sprsk]

im sure nbc or something will pick it up.

 

[seismologist]

I wanna see this but I'll probably just get the DVD.

 

[Che]

Michael Moore never stops impressing me. Great thing to do, I hope it airs.

 

[Spike Spiegel]

:lol :lol :lol

 

[Tommie Hu$tle]

Pimpwerx he is talking about network TV not cable.

 

[xsarien]

CBS should air it out of spite, but given the nature of the latter part of the movie, it might be relegated to pay cable (e.g., HBO.)

 

[JoshuaJSlone]

Guys, I'm sure they could find somebody to air it. The trouble, he says, is that the DVD distributor doesn't want to, and has the contractual right to prevent it from happening.

 

[Dan]

Michael Moore : Documentary

The color yellow : Journalism

 

[heavy liquid]

Guys, I'm sure they could find somebody to air it. The trouble, he says, is that the DVD distributor doesn't want to, and has the contractual right to prevent it from happening.

That's what I was thinking.

I would argue that if it aired on network tv, sales of the DVD might even increase when it's released. Especially if there's updated and extra content (which there probably will be).

If nothing else, hopefully some top exec will realize that it should be aired before the election, and the extra addition to his mansion can wait.

 

[Dilbert]

Michael Moore : Documentary

The color yellow : Journalism

Jesus. How about just calling it a "movie?"

 

[mrkapawutzis]

I would think that if this were to air, those "undecided" voters who don't think highly of Moore would be swayed toward voting for bush simply out of spite. And with recent polls favoring Bush it looks like more of those "undecided" voters have made their decision.

 

[DJ Demon J]

Maybe Harvey Weinstein will pull some strings with Moore's DVD distributor.

 

[Dan]

Jesus. How about just calling it a "movie?"

Because it claims to be a documentary, and the vast majority of people treat it as a documentary.

 

[sprsk]

And all of a sudden republicans turn into film scholars.

 

[Flynn]

Because it claims to be a documentary, and the vast majority of people treat it as a documentary.

The act of creating a film, fictional or factual, is a biased one. At every step the director, editor and cameramen make choices on what to shot, what to show and what to cut.

 

[Dan]

And all of a sudden republicans turn into film scholars.

And all of a sudden generalizations become true.

I'm not a republican. I would never align myself with a single party. Shit, a couple years ago I was looking forward to seeing Bowling for Columbine because I'm for gun control and thought it'd be good. Instead, Moore alienated anyone with common sense and intelligence by turning his point into a sensationalized argument based in emotion and stereotypes, not fact. He had me, then he lost me. He's simply manipulative and deceitful just to con the ignorant masses into joining him. I agree with many of his points, I simply abhore the manner in which he attempts to prove and support them.

 

[FnordChan]

Because it claims to be a documentary, and the vast majority of people treat it as a documentary.

Aw, fuck, not this again. News flash: the vast majority of people treat it as a documentary because it's, you know, a documentary. You're welcome to think it's a bad documentary, but have the intelligence to use the correct goddamned word.

FnordChan

 

[xsarien]

Because it claims to be a documentary, and the vast majority of people treat it as a documentary.

Because it was shot, and is in the format of, a documentary. Yes, he uses it to further his opinion on something. Is there a conflict somewhere, or does Supersize Me not count either?

And if I may ask, what's your biggest problem with BfC?

 

[Dan]

The act of creating a film, fictional or factual, is a biased one. At every step the director, editor and cameramen make choices on what to shot, what to show and what to cut.

I'm not a moron. Moore goes above and beyond simple editorial decision though. He manipulates audiences with illogical connections and false truths when there is truth out there that can prove his point far better. He's all about controversy, because it makes him money. If he cared only about getting his point across, there would be far better ways of doing it.

I'm sorry, after watching try and place direct blame on Chuck Heston for the death of that girl... I can't respect that. It's just sensationalistic and offensive nonsense.

 

[Minotauro]

Because it claims to be a documentary, and the vast majority of people treat it as a documentary.

Where did you come under the false impression that a documentary needs to be "objective"?

 

[Dan]

What the hell are you people attacking me about?! I'M THE ONE WHO CALLED IT A DOCUMENTARY. Jinx is the one who suggested calling it a movie.

 

[LuckyBrand]

i think michael moore is a great entertainer.. and i *love* roger & me..

but fahrenheit 9/11 has more in common with nazi propoganda than a legit political documentary IMO.

 

[FnordChan]

What the hell are you people attacking me about?! I'M THE ONE WHO CALLED IT A DOCUMENTARY. Jinx is the one who suggested calling it a movie.

Whoops, sorry man. The whole "documentary" thing had been hashed out so many times I went off fully cocked instead of, you know, reading for context. Apologies all around.

FnordChan

 

[DeEJaYMiND]

That's what I was thinking.

I would argue that if it aired on network tv, sales of the DVD might even increase when it's released. Especially if there's updated and extra content (which there probably will be).

And it is:

I have included 100 minutes of extras on the DVD -- powerful footage obtained after we made the movie, and some things that are going to drive Karl Rove into a permanent tailspin -- more on this later!

 

[Dilbert]

I was suggesting to Dan that he call it a "movie" since he can't seem to get over the fact that "documentary" is not synonymous with "objective film about real-life events."

The movie is CLEARLY a documentary, and has several dimensions. As much as Moore wants to communicate both certain facts and his particular point of view, he also has skillfully crafted a piece of entertainment as well. People can enjoy it -- and react to it -- on a variety of levels.

 

[Spike Spiegel]

How about calling it "unabashedly biased propaganda being served to the masses as 'entertainment'"?

 

[tedtropy]

How about calling it "unabashedly biased propaganda being served to the masses as 'entertainment'"?

That'll work.

 

[Flynn]

I'm not a moron. Moore goes above and beyond simple editorial decision though. He manipulates audiences with illogical connections and false truths when there is truth out there that can prove his point far better. He's all about controversy, because it makes him money. If he cared only about getting his point across, there would be far better ways of doing it.

I'm sorry, after watching try and place direct blame on Chuck Heston for the death of that girl... I can't respect that. It's just sensationalistic and offensive nonsense.

I didn't mean to talk down to you. I'm just saying that Moore has as much right to call his biased work documentaries as the hacks at the Discovery Channel or award winners at PBS.

 

[xsarien]

How about calling it "unabashedly biased propaganda being served to the masses as 'entertainment'"?

Considering that Moore himself has equated it to an op/ed piece, I don't see what all the moaning is about. The important thing to remember is that it's based on facts, no matter how tongue-in-cheek Moore may represent them at times. If you don't agree with his perception, that's fine, but to be so utterly dismissive of it is to be dismissive of the facts that he uses to build the case, and that harms everyone, even those who'd use those same facts to support Bush.

Fahrenheit 9/11 practically gives you footnotes to follow along with, and there are apparently real ones on michaelmoore.com that dissect the entire movie.

 

[AstroLad]

How about calling it "unabashedly biased propaganda being served to the masses as 'entertainment'"?

Hey, don't bring Fox News into this.

 

[JoshuaJSlone]

How about calling it "unabashedly biased propaganda being served to the masses as 'entertainment'"?

Because then I'd get it mixed up with my VHS of this year's State of the Union.

 

[Shinobi]

Hey, don't bring Fox News into this.

:lol Or 90% of the media for that matter...

 

[Great Wasabi Man]

hey why not it was already on TV in Cuba.

 

[StoOgE]

well, no matter what, I doubt it will be on ABC. :lol

 

[Shinobi]

:lol

 

[Mustang]

Michael Moore never stops impressing me.

Damn.

It must take absolutely zilch to impress you.

 

[Celicar]

He probably just realized that he wouldn't have won the oscar anyway, not after the one he got for Bowling for Columbine, where he went crazy and got booed off the stage.

The oscar committee does not forget.

 

[Makura]

I've become convinced Moore is completely void of any morals.