That's exactly Obama's point, a lot of people were duped because their perceptions were warped.
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Michelle Obama: Women who didn't vote for Clinton voted against their own voice
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That's exactly Obama's point, a lot of people were duped because their perceptions were warped.
I actually decided to stop assuming that long ago.
Now I'm relying on the experimental evidence from 2016.
Glass Rebel
Member
Perpetuating the idea that these two things put Hilary Clinton and Trump on the same level is sexism at its finest. Like it's not even remotely similar standards applying to the two of them.
http://www.snopes.com/2016/11/13/who-won-the-popular-vote/
Trump won due to Electoral College bullshit, Hillary was more popular. You don't think the Comey letter, the focus on emails, the Russian hack of the DNC, and the 20 plus year smear job by the Republican party had anything to do with people not liking her?
Get these false equivalencies out of here.
How about his stance on minorities? His purposeful choice to hire every member of his family, unqualified as they are into positions of the White House? His lack of actual family values? His lack of any understanding of policies both foreign and overseas? His clear agenda to say whatever he could to be elected, constantly flopping sides and views on every subject possible?
His history was clear. Yet somewhere you are trying to argue there was some silver lining people saw? Something that we all are too linear in thoughts to see? Bragging about groping a woman's genitals is just one of the many horrible things that would have disqualified anyone else ESPECIALLY if they were black or a woman, should have been enough to write this orange POS out of the running.
It seems no matter whom was presented in opposition for Trump, people were gonna vote for the "white male" regardless.
sorathecrow
Neo Member
That's precisely not what I'm out to do. Of course if I think I can provide a different perspective I'll do so, but I know it's going to fall on deaf ears. But I don't think you're villains or drones for not understanding where I'm coming from. I just think you're unwilling to see things from outside of this "my side is unequivocally right and anything else is less and wrong" angle.
Massive Duck. C.M.
Banned
Its crystal clear where youre coming from
sorathecrow
Neo Member
I don't think I said HC wasn't more popular, but people hated him less than her enough that he won the states that mattered for the EC.
Then welcome to your old new reality where 24% of the voting US population are exceedingly sexist and 50% too apathetic to take a clear stance.
sorathecrow
Neo Member
KoopaTheCasual
Junior Member
Very on point comment, and sadly very true.
excelsiorlef
Member
Tell you what anyone who voted Trump betrayed the humanity.
Massive Duck. C.M.
Banned
I'm sure I'm tagged alt-right nazi now, or something.
Thats one hell of a complex youve got there
This is what you said
People did like Hillary more, because more people voted for her. Why she lost in the EC is due to a myriad of factors, her likability only being one of them, along with the fact that the EC has historically proven itself to be a flawed system of choosing a leader.
I'm sure I'm tagged alt-right nazi now, or something.
That's not a good thing
This post needs more love. Spot on.
Baraka Obama
Banned
I agree with her
History already wrote this for those too damned hard headed to get it.
Honestly I bet she only cares about cats and dogs. Everything else can get fucked even her own countrymen.
theCalamity
Member
I'm afraid my head is much too hard.
Donald Trump is a white supremacist.
Voting for a white supremacist is not a morally acceptable choice, regardless of your personal explanations for doing so.
Saying that some other issue was more important to you than white supremacy merely indicates the depth of your moral abdication, it doesn't forgive it.
One might claim that you genuinely didn't understand that Trump was a white supremacist. But knowing and not knowing are often choices too. It's easy to decide, after the fact, that you never knew the thing you suspected. Nor was it hard to simply listen to the people telling you, loudly, what he was.
So yeah. My side is unequivocally right, in the sense that the other side supports an ideology that poses a physical danger to me and my daughter, whereas all I want is to be able to live in America in peace, and one of those positions is morally acceptable and one isn't.
Sorry. It's not my fault the other side's literally Nazis!
jimmypython
Member
I agree.
Hillary is a voice for women. Trump certainly is not.
So women who voted against Hillary certain was against their own voice.
Hillary is a voice for women. Trump certainly is not.
So women who voted against Hillary certain was against their own voice.
Can't do anything for you until you drop it. It's on you.
I will say one thing, I was hoping that Hillary Clinton would win so that she would have been the first female president of the US. This would have been breaking through the glass ceiling that exists for all women, and in this way, they did indeed vote against their own interests.
Now, the ceiling is very much there and the possibility of another woman having a shot at becoming President is very slim. It took forever for a man of color to become president. Who knows when the next time a person other than a white male will win the presidential election?
Now, the ceiling is very much there and the possibility of another woman having a shot at becoming President is very slim. It took forever for a man of color to become president. Who knows when the next time a person other than a white male will win the presidential election?
Tell us how
So what's a non-stupid reason for voting for Trump?
My aunt is an immigrant from Peru and she voted for Trump lol, then again she also lives in Texas and is married to a local. They're great people, but being an immigrant and voting for Trump is pretty much "Fuck you got mine" x10.
TheLaughingStock
Member
They weren't duped. Their worldview just differs from Hillary supporters plain and simple. Accordingly, they did not support Hillary Clinton no matter what when faced with other options. Tens of millions didn't like either candidate or supported Trump.
Could you imagine if someone in the Trump admin used a private email?
Yeah, it's this.
It's condescending to assume that people are stupid. Give them enough credit to believe that they deliberately chose to vote for an incompetent Nazi sex offender because they liked what he stood for. It will help you understand them better.
shinra-bansho
Member
The Trump administration has reversed Obama orders that required large companies to provide pay information by gender and race to the EEOC, it has also reversed the Fair Pay and Safe Workplaces EO, which were aimed at reducing discriminatory practices and pay gaps.
The GOP continues to try to defund women's health access and remove requirements for covering women's health services.
Of the 23 Cabinet level appointments there are 4 women.
Of the 42 US attorney nominees, 1 is a woman.
Oh. And the President believes it's okay to grab women by the pussy. Megyn Kelly has blood coming out of her whatever. Women are fat, pigs. It's okay to walk into his pageant contestants' changing rooms.
Donald Trump is quite objectively bad for the advancement of women's health and wellbeing.
The GOP continues to try to defund women's health access and remove requirements for covering women's health services.
Of the 23 Cabinet level appointments there are 4 women.
Of the 42 US attorney nominees, 1 is a woman.
Oh. And the President believes it's okay to grab women by the pussy. Megyn Kelly has blood coming out of her whatever. Women are fat, pigs. It's okay to walk into his pageant contestants' changing rooms.
Donald Trump is quite objectively bad for the advancement of women's health and wellbeing.
Indeed. They set their standards for the PotuS very high and that's why they thought Clinton was so untrustworthy. When you've got a record like Trump's you really start to see an argument for both sides.
/s
By congratulating them for throwing their lives and that of their kids into the hands of old white men who will take away anything that might benefit them and their kids. Congratulate them for screwing themselves.
makingmusic476
Member
Hillary got 19 million more votes than Bill in '96, and 3 million more than Trump. Yet she lost. Because of where those votes fell between the lines.
Ok that's more interesting
Massive Duck. C.M.
Banned
I think most people understood it was playful.
That's just a different world view apparently.
nelsonroyale
Member
You could say that about anybody not Trump. The idea that if you are a woman you should immediately vote for Clinton is insulting, but Clinton over Trump is a no brainer. Clinton and the Democrats are yesterday's news at the moment though...
NoblesseOblige
Banned
Bravo. You managed to contradict yourself twice with one sentence.
bitbydeath
Gold Member
She should have run, Michelle would have been the first black female president, no question.
That's optimistic. I guarantee you if she ever runs, people will care a lot more about her lack of political experience, than they did about Trumps.
Dude trump provided about 20 times the reason to dislike him than the republican Hillary smear campaign over 20 years ... Let that sink in here is someone smeared over 20 years another one who provided 20 times more ammo in 1.5 years yet still won . I am international I def wanted Hillary but the fact of the matter is she was not likable/charismatic enough . (This has been borne out again and again on how many ppl have said in person she is very affable but she isn't so on the podium ) . If your argument is she isn't affable on the podium because she has to protect herself more because she is a woman then yes that is a point worth discussing on how women are forced to be conciliatory etc etc . If not she was simply not relatable or charismatic enough period. It's time to realize that aspect
Edit : she simply doesn't inspire charge ppl up like Obama / trump / McCain / Kennedy and if we go down the women line I can think of many women internationally who have been able to charge ppl up eg thatcher / indira Gandhi etc etc. she simply didn't have what it takes .
The fact this is what the US Presidential race boils down to says it all. What a shambles. Nearly as bloody awful as England.