I was gonna say, I feel like maybe dogs get more empathy than blacks do from a not insignificant amount of people.
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Michigan Court Rules Police Can Shoot Dogs For Barking, Moving When Officers Enter Ho
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I was gonna say, I feel like maybe dogs get more empathy than blacks do from a not insignificant amount of people.
Burden should be on the cops to make sure the chance of being 'threatened' by such an animal is at a minimum, especially with something that isn't an imminent danger like suspicion of drugs. I'm fine with the idea that if a cop's life is in danger from an animal, that cop could/should shoot. I'm not fine with executing a search warrant with loose dogs and the burden of proof being on the victims owners to show that the fucking dog didn't bark at the cops.
We are so far past the point where Police Officers can be trusted to make good judgments in this country and insanely far past the point where we can trust the courts to not use this ruling as grounds for some extreme bullshit.
Anyone who would have faith in cops to not abuse something like this is crazy.
Anyone who would have faith in cops to not abuse something like this is crazy.
Mammoth Jones
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War on drugs.
Wolfe
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Why do you keep interjecting this false narrative of people getting hurt in the absence of the dog being killed? And if you're talking about the police officer then all I have to say if that part of their job is dealing with situations like that and they should have tools and techniques for dealing with those same situations without getting all shooty bang bang at everything that startles them.
Plus, we have no idea if the dogs were an actual threat or not (from our perspective reading about it on a message board), not shooting the dogs does not necessarily equal harmed humans.
Lol damn, no shit right? I mean obviously I hope no one actually does that, but yeah it's not like any dog is going to not bark at someone it doesn't know, especially if they enter the house (or "territory"). It's not like canine behaviour is not well established by now.
Pai Pai Master
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You don't think there is anything wrong with a cop murdering a pet? Are you fucking serious right now?
some people have no empathy
In what world am I interjecting a false narrative (yes, I mean the police officers when I say human)? The news headline and some poster make it seem like cops will go around shooting dogs from now on as soon as dogs bark or move. That is a false narrative!
The court says:
“The standard we set out today is that a police officer’s use of deadly force against a dog while executing a search warrant to search a home for illegal drug activity is reasonable under the Fourth Amendment when…the dog poses an imminent threat to the officer’s safety.”
You guys don't seem to think highly of cops. Just imagine the paperwork if they shoot a dog. I am sure the lazy as donut muncher won't shoot a dog if not necessary.
Murdering? If the animal poses a imminent threat, it is self defense.
...with animals.
Psychoward
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Oh no not the paperwork!
Few people think cops go out puposefully looking for things to kill, that does change their shitty mindsets or itchy trigger fingers or systemic racism and blue line bullshit that backs them up when they fuck up
Psychoward
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Dude you keep saying imminent threat
Barking and moving around is normal, that doesn't fucking pose a threat, certainly not one worth shooting a gun over
Jesus christ I can't believe I'm having this conversation
Barking and moving around is normal, that doesn't fucking pose a threat, certainly not one worth shooting a gun over
Jesus christ I can't believe I'm having this conversation
It's because I am actually quoting what the judge said and not what a clickbaity news headline said.
Psychoward
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Your quote says while the dog poses an imminent threat
The dog in the case used didn't pose an imminent threat, unless you think barking and moving around is an imminent threat now?
In the original case that the OP is talking about the dog barked, lunged towards the officers and then retreated to the basement.
The officers followed it to the basement and shot it, what the fuck? The court upheld that the officers did nothing wrong
I don't care about the future or the precedent because you think this was justified
Am I under oath?
Same here, I would have expected better treatment.
John Kowalski
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It's hard not to.
capitalCORN
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Mexicans! Blacks! Muslims! Dogs! Cops need more money!
Air Zombie Meat
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So don't call the cops if you have a pet dog.
Right, this is what threw me for a loop. IF the dog had lunged in a spot that cornered the officers...yeah then I guess the shooting of THAT dog would probably be justified. But, the dog retreated into the basement, which makes it seem like the cops followed it down there just to shoot it, which is awful. Sounds like the dog just got scared and tried to run away.
And it seems like the other dog just turned its head and barked, and was shot for it. The fuck??
PHOENIXZERO
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There's a long list of stories on cops shooting dogs tagged on Reason.com and even a database tracking incidences that I got from this article. Why Are Detroit Cops Killing So Many Dogs?
https://reason.com/tags/puppycide
https://puppycidedb.com/
We're getting there, we're coming due for police owned drone attacks.
https://reason.com/tags/puppycide
https://puppycidedb.com/
We're getting there, we're coming due for police owned drone attacks.
KO Traveling Hobo
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Seems like this could have been avoided by telling the residents to restrain their dogs.
This. It goes from "sort of justifiable" to "what the fuck" pretty quickly.
Rest
All these years later I still chuckle at what a fucking moron that guy is.
I really wanted to see how he argued against these, interesting that this post was skipped.
There was an incident where a guy shot a neighbors dogs that were on his property and he posted about it on Facebook. The guy was fired almost immediately from his job. The outcry reached across the pond for him to be fired. Yet black people are being choked to death on video and shot while unarmed and these cowards get to keep their job. I think dogs still stand a better chance... at least at some sort of justice.
Slackbladder
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It almost sounds like open season. The dog moved a few inches and barked so it was a threat and it was shot. What dog WOULDN'T do that if a stranger barged into a house? That's the whole point of having a dog for many people.
I mean there have been plenty of cases of cops killing dogs for no good reason. One dog was shot because a cop wanted access to a yard but the dog was in it. So he shot it. http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/utah-man-dog-shot-dead-police-files-2m-lawsuit-article-1.2405006
A policeman let his dog die from heatstroke and was also charged with other deaths. http://thefreethoughtproject.com/serial-dog-killer-cop-k9-deaths/
I mean it's just a symptom of the problem within the police of America. It's not hard to understand.
I mean there have been plenty of cases of cops killing dogs for no good reason. One dog was shot because a cop wanted access to a yard but the dog was in it. So he shot it. http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/utah-man-dog-shot-dead-police-files-2m-lawsuit-article-1.2405006
A policeman let his dog die from heatstroke and was also charged with other deaths. http://thefreethoughtproject.com/serial-dog-killer-cop-k9-deaths/
I mean it's just a symptom of the problem within the police of America. It's not hard to understand.
BackLogJoe
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I'd end up in jail. Shoot my dog cuz he barked at you in his own house? I'd snap.
The Last Wizard
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Police have really evolved into the biggest bitches ever; they can kill black people with no repercussions, they get offended easily, want military equipment and now they want to and have the right to kill dogs. It's way past time to reform this shit but it'll nevertheless happen.
They are needed to prevent evidence destruction. Euthanasia of animals for behaving like animals is pathetic tho.
Hierophant
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what if the dog also has a gun
FF Seraphim
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I think my mind would snap if a cop barged into my home and killed my dog. Luckily where I am have zero chance of that happening now.
sixteen-bit
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ETA of the first unironic use of #doglivesmatter?
It was posted earlier and ignored, copying and pasting:
"A widely misrepresented federal court ruling deemed that the shooting of two dogs during the execution of a search warrant was justified, but it did not give police sweeping authority to shoot and kill dogs."
"No portion of the ruling could be construed as sweeping permission for all officers to shoot dogs for barking or moving. While the court sided with the defendants, members of the court established that a particular set of circumstances justified shooting the dogs, and repeatedly affirmed that in normal circumstances such an action does constitute a violation of the Fourth Amendment."
http://www.snopes.com/federal-judge-rule-police-can-legally-shoot-kill-dogs/
"A widely misrepresented federal court ruling deemed that the shooting of two dogs during the execution of a search warrant was justified, but it did not give police sweeping authority to shoot and kill dogs."
"No portion of the ruling could be construed as sweeping permission for all officers to shoot dogs for barking or moving. While the court sided with the defendants, members of the court established that a particular set of circumstances justified shooting the dogs, and repeatedly affirmed that in normal circumstances such an action does constitute a violation of the Fourth Amendment."
http://www.snopes.com/federal-judge-rule-police-can-legally-shoot-kill-dogs/
Goro Majima
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In theory this is the right ruling from the courts. If you're attacked by a pitbull (that's been trained to be aggressive...this is key) while conducting a lawful search, the police should have the right to defend themselves.
Unfortunately so many of the stories about police interacting with dogs suggest that this won't be applied to a specific situation of an actual killer dog. There have been a few instances where it's like the cops went out of their way to kill it.
Unfortunately so many of the stories about police interacting with dogs suggest that this won't be applied to a specific situation of an actual killer dog. There have been a few instances where it's like the cops went out of their way to kill it.
No, it's not needed. Both the dog and human lives that are put at risk with no knock warrants are more important than preventing evidence destruction.
I don't know if this case had a no knock warrant or not, the article doesn't specify, but it still blows my mind that they're a thing that exists in a country where shooting and killing home intruders is not only acceptable but encouraged.
As far as I'm aware, a man is still sitting in jail going on 3 years now awaiting his capital murder trial after shooting at officers coming in through his bedroom window at 5:30am in a no knock raid looking for drugs. Of which none were found, it was a bogus tip off. No justice for him yet, but thankfully that was the end of no knock raids in that county, and it needs to be the end of them everywhere.
Oppo
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nampad would still argue in favor of the misinterpretation.
which tells me either they have an axe to grind about dogs, have cop family, or are sociopathic.
Demoskinos
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B-but....what about the polices safety?! /s
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