http://www.zdnet.com/article/microsoft-windows-10-wont-hit-1-billion-devices-by-mid-2018/
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Microsoft admits it won't hit goal of 1 billion Windows 10 devices, blames phones
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http://www.zdnet.com/article/microsoft-windows-10-wont-hit-1-billion-devices-by-mid-2018/
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Aceofspades
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The install base would have been way lower than 350m if not for force installing FREE W10 to all online W7/8 PCs.
Phones have changed a lot of PC/electronics landscapes. Old monopolies are shaking now, Intel, Microsoft, Samsung among other deceased brands of Nokia, Ericssion and others,
This news must ring an alarm at Microsoft headquarters.
Phones have changed a lot of PC/electronics landscapes. Old monopolies are shaking now, Intel, Microsoft, Samsung among other deceased brands of Nokia, Ericssion and others,
This news must ring an alarm at Microsoft headquarters.
TheCochese
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If Microsoft came out with a Surface phone that could run Android apps, they'd get there.
I wonder about the bolded.
If it were just an audacious goal, that's fine and I understand why they missed. It's good to set hard goals.
But if they really thought it was achievable (i.e., why they announced it publicly), then I worry they are drinking their own Kool-aid.
If they released a Surface phone that ran Android apps then no one would write native apps for it.
Well, some people would, but not nearly enough.
TheCochese
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No one writes Windows apps as it is. The ecosystem consists of a bear fishing in a dried up riverbed.
FunkyPajamas
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They need to make the free upgrade available for another year. A lot of people won't go from a tried-and-true OS to something that just came out (talking about when it came out) and might still need some work.
1 billion Windows 10 devices is pretty pie in the sky anyway, no? I mean, even counting Xbox One, Phones, Surface tablets and PCs.
1 billion Windows 10 devices is pretty pie in the sky anyway, no? I mean, even counting Xbox One, Phones, Surface tablets and PCs.
Is there any indication of UWP app usage has taken off on any set of devices? They can only really sell tablets when they are able to run "legacy" Windows software, no one is buying UWP only tablets. They've also not released any UWP game sales figures, yet are still encouraging devs to bet their future on UWP.
LordRaptor
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"Can I have a phone that works more like my PC and runs all my regular PC programs" said everyone for years.
"Can I have my PC be more like a phone nobody wants" said nobody not working at Redmond
"Can I have my PC be more like a phone nobody wants" said nobody not working at Redmond
I'm sure they will with some great PR fluff.
1 billion was nuts. They are possibly that clueless or thought the PR sounded positive to sell Windows 10, the latter I presume.
I think the death of low end PCs and tablets is going to hold them way back. They really need Surface to explode along with a phone and a Windows phone being successful to such a degree to move the needle, hell will freeze over.
What's this icon....windows store.....back out back out. Engagement stats through the roof!
Stop releasing shit in a complacent manner or worse ignore real complaints and expect success. If there is one thing I detest it's a profit driven motive without any balls to apply some talent, skill, or showmanship yet want the best result or any real results worthwhile.
Have balls MS, linux is calling and it wants to be your friend. Neither apple or you can avoid what the market wants so find other ways of bringing your talents or perspective in to the linux space. You don't care to make real OS systems with big changes to the kernel, most of what windows 10 is malware shit and UI changes which can be implemented in to any OS.
Have balls MS, linux is calling and it wants to be your friend. Neither apple or you can avoid what the market wants so find other ways of bringing your talents or perspective in to the linux space. You don't care to make real OS systems with big changes to the kernel, most of what windows 10 is malware shit and UI changes which can be implemented in to any OS.
TheCochese
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No idea. I have a 640 as a backup/workout phone and the app selection is atrocious. If you enjoy something on iOS or Android, it's a good bet it isn't available on WM. And while there are select alternate apps, substitutes don't grow a userbase.
Even plastic, the 640 hardware-wise is pretty good. It's the software, which seems stupid to have to tell someone like MS.
SwiftDeath
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MS execs just like to throw around 1 Billion when talking sales/active users etc.
https://www.vg247.com/2013/05/24/xb...on-lifetime-sales-100-million-xbox-360-units/
That being said, 1 Billion W10 activations are far more achievable, active users though is a bit much in my opinion
https://www.vg247.com/2013/05/24/xb...on-lifetime-sales-100-million-xbox-360-units/
That being said, 1 Billion W10 activations are far more achievable, active users though is a bit much in my opinion
TarpitCarnivore
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If it does exist there is a good chance it's been abandoned too. I think Spotify stopped updating their WP app.
Well, MS started to hedge their bets in the last few years. Full Microsoft Office on iOS and Android is a good sign that they know Windows has a chance of collapsing.
But don't be delusional. It's been "The Year of Linux on the Desktop" every year since the late-'90s. Linux is not taking Windows' place. Ever. If anything, Chrome OS will. (It's Linux-based, but not Linux.)
My wife is very sad that Pokemon GO is never coming to her Lumia.
And end up as just another wannabe Android OEM. There is no path for mobile success left for MS. They can only sit by and hope smartphones go away.
I would go so far to say Windows has a chance of collapsing. Microsoft is so imbedded in corporations and big business that I doubt they'll go away any time soon. Plus, if you want a gaming PC Windows is your only choice.
I don't think Linux or any of it's distributions have any chance of overcoming Windows.
My point was they should transistion in to linux for clear advantages they don't want to build in to their own OS. They could simply accept the better OS and make it their own isntead they use a garbage OS that keep piling bloat on with little big fixes. More so maybe they should make real products that can compete with what people actually want instead of the years of garbage me too phones/tablets that wasted billions of their own dollars.
Yeah yeah my delusions......
I forgot about that! Maybe the executive conference room in Redmond has "ONE BILLION!" written on it in erasable marker.
My point was they should transistion in to linux for clear advantages they don't want to build in to their own OS. They could simply accept the better OS and make it their own isntead they use a garbage OS that keep piling bloat on with little big fixes. More so maybe they should make real products that can compete with what people actually want instead of the years of garbage me too phones/tablets that wasted billions of their own dollars.
Yeah yeah my delusions...... yet had they bothered to put a linux based OS on to their phones they might have pokemon go. Yep such a delusion to want a company to do the better thing instead of the squandering they've done largely since XP.
Bloat is one thing you can't say about recent Windows.
The UI inconsistency, shit tier store, ads and privacy, general Microsoft shitness, own agenda. Fair do
The desktop I mean. Mobile, God knows if they even have a plan. I guess their apps do the talking on other platforms. They still want the control and profits of their own own OS instead of Linux I suppose.
lol pretty much.
How would Linux help them sell phones? The problem with Windows Mobile was the app gap, nothing more.
Also Linux has a huge learning curve, so good luck getting people to jump on board a desktop Linux distro by Microsoft.
My assumption is that it's great business lingo for drastically paring back their phone business. I haven't heard that term yet, I'll have to try it out sometime at the office next week.
I have and I will.
Let me see now DWM hogs permenant cycles of the cpu and IO, starts out on high priority for no reason and doesn't need it. Base filtering engine and other network components still have latency, interrupt and processing problems to where they aren't as fast as they could or should be for the level control they command which is basically anything. Search indexer still hits people hard at times for no real reason. The malware service just like BSE as mentioned doesn't interact properly with all programs and when it doesn't like things either blocks outright or worse causes IO/HDD thrashing.
All of them on MS basically since vista and it's gotten worse.
Enterprise is safe, but Windows absolutely has a chance of collapsing in the consumer market. Mobile devices are slowly becoming people's primary platforms. That's why Microsoft bet so hard on buying Nokia.
I wouldn't call Windows a garbage OS. It's mature and well-supported. Linux has its own quirks and problems, like its audio subsystem, terrible driver support, and holy wars over stuff like systemd. But hey, I've only been hearing Linux enthusiasts tell me Linux is superior and will replace Windows for the last 20 years...
Duh, but you're not me or others so your first point means nothing.
Never said linux was perfect, I said MS could blend both platforms and make the most instead of relying on garbage kernel. Windows audio subsystem and network still suck for their own reasons. Don't believe me go look up HPET audio and look at the issues it exposes, same for looking at gaming problems related to how windows handles audio.
Nor am I a Linux enthusiast considering I only whore it out for networking yet take it task on gaming especially for shitty AMD/Nvidia drivers which hold it back. I frequently go after the linux crowd for not making file structure and UI extremely friendly to the average person or even power users to this day. Yeah keep telling yourself that...... Linux enthusiast about as funny as people on here who think I love sony or nintendo.
I'll hold my hands up for that as I don't know anything about those. Could Windows perform better but still be bloat ?
BlazinSkatinAxel
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This is what happens when Microsoft releases a Mobile OS that is weaker than the one it replaced.
Yeah now that google are adding android app support to ChromeOS, if they execute that well, I think they stand a chance of taking a big slice of the laptop market from Microsoft, and with the right device maybe even a chunk of what's left of the desktop market.
Assuming they can get android apps working such that they feel right in the laptop/desktop form factor.
Bloat and overhead are what is hindering the more nuanced forms of performance we benchmark for. There is no perfect way to avoid bloat either it will happen but letting things fester for 4 straight iterations of your product speaks volumes.
Some should just know I'm adding flair to my arguments I don't really think windows is garbage I'm writing this post from it vs smart phones or a linux laptop I use for my networking jobs. Yet I will call a spade a spade it's not what it could be or should be considering various issues MS has known about since vista. I will not say MS is lazy either.
One of the best features of win10 vs any other version of windows basically since 3.11 is that it's tickless os and you can configure the fuck out of how those settings interact with your the OS/Mobo/Cpu. Our options before this were zilch outside of basic disabling or forcing it totally on to work properly which isn't always best depending on the type of mobo you have. These settings alone can make your windows feel amazing smooth or it basically will result in the various degrees of stuttering most people experience. For the record do not alter those settings unless you know why.
I don't see you actually responding to legit complaints or examples I showed of their own services, I see you offer nothing but a cheeky response.
It wasn't the RAM it was the SOC.
Astral/H3X
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Okay, you're delving into some *really* deep stuff here, so let me tell it to you like this:
Nobody fucking cares.
The OS must be stable, intuitive, and work. Windows does that better than Linux. Everyone can use Windows, devs don't have to target 140 different versions or whatever distributions of Linux there are, and no one has to sit there and sift through dependency hell.
Who gives a shit if DWM uses more than it needs to? Like, really? .01% of Windows Users? If that?
And the greatest trump card that Windows has is compatibility. It supports basically everything consumer side, and a *shit ton* business side. Cleaning out *all* of the junk and starting fresh would be ruining the reason why people use Windows.
Yeah, sure, I'd love for them to redo the UI enough that everything is clean and consistent. It'd be cool if the 90's icons for floppy disks were thrown out. But in the end? Doesn't matter. Not one lick.
DWM using more MB than they need isn't putting a *dent* in MS's sales. People using smartphones is.
tl;dr, MS will get rid of that bloat when another OS has as much if not more ease of use, compatibility, and sheer productivity afforded by Windows, but then everyone goes to this new OS because zomg tickless non-bloat that makes minor improvements in the benchmarks.
i would get so wet
and yet you wrote?
Desktop window manager is a permanent process and gamers should care since it can hog cpu cycles and io input which when you have none or almost are heavily multitasking will lead to higher dpc latency increase or stuttering. Yet apparently you know what others give a shit about when it's one of the main reasons people complain about stuttering or bloat. Way to play yourself.
You don't have to clean out shit part of the best part of bloat is you can fix, they haven't been.
What on earth is this garbage. I never mentioned ram or storage space being a problem of the service I said it hogs cpu cycles, spikes your pc latency, and is left on high priority. Do you even know what I'm talking about since what you said has no impact on the other things I've clearly labeled?
It would really help if you knew what you're talking about. I said ticks were a good thing and considering it makes timers in the OS run right plenty of devs who wanted timers to work and not cause the problems they do got their wish. Rather MS changed how it work for those people so it must have been worthwhile to do something they hadn't done since XP, but zomg, zomg ,zomg zomg. Gotta love shills who excuse a company's complaceny on certain subject and is clueless on the topics brung up. Debloating windows is good cause it keeps people not just with benchmarks but the overall feel happy or not at odds with the system. A snappy more responsive windows is something no other windows users want, yeah fucking right not a single person would turn down such an option.
Astral/H3X
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Here's the important part of what I wrote:
Android stutters to hell and back, and yet people use it. It's inefficient and has a lot of garbage and bloat on it. Maybe they fixed it in the last two years since I've used it, but I don't know and it honestly doesn't matter: it was popular when I was using it, and while I was using it, it stuttered heavily.
Windows can stutter at times, yeah. And it's totally true. I'm not saying that there isn't bloat, and that the bloat doesn't have negative consequences.
I'm saying, that the bloat doesn't have negative consequences on MS's bottom line, nor their adoption rates.
The Abominable Snowman
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Microsoft fucked up Windows Phones terribly. I'm not surprised. They should focus on pushing Android and maybe fork it, partner with Samsung.
They stutter for different reasons. Most mobile phone issues you had years ago don't exist or don't really happen today because of much better chips and OS systems.
Your last point means nothing to a response about a user denying their is no bloat. You can argue why they won't or haven't fixed it but it has nothing to do with a denial of it.
The same could be said for company that be it consoles or phones want to sell billions and then lets their own OS get in in the way of said such goal. Yet I'm the one with delusion when this company for two separates forms of electronic products puts out a goal they aren't too seriously about considering the epic success they want out of it. You can find it insane, delusion, or improbable the only thing more improbable to lose was the reality they forced on themselves basically since Iphones really took off. No reason but dumbness to continue using an old kernel when something andriod based with their customization would've infinitely done more. This isn't hypothetical they had their choices and they clear made them hardware/software for the worse.
Microsoft invested a bunch in Cyanogen, they could start making CyanogenOS devices.
EDIT: Or more likely, they would probably buy Cyanogen outright and rebrand CyanogenOS.
If you're worried about background processes interfering with gaming just get a game console. None of that bloat.
flaxknuckles
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Microsoft's whole UWP strategy depends on their phones to do well since most people on desktop and tablet Windows will just run Win32 without any fucks given. The monopoly dream is dead now so they need to start porting their software to every OS to stomp out alternatives instead of worrying about everyone running Windows.
tl;dr:
tl;dr:
Gimme dat MS Office and Crackdown 3 on Ubuntu
The Abominable Snowman
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I forgot all about that.
I'd actually kill for options to do stock branded Android or Microsoft Cyanogen with a W10M interface on leading Android phones.
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