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[GHG]

Is that Jez on the left?

Greenberg in the middle.

 

[HeWhoWalks]

Man….fuck Xbox, as soon as the PS pro comes out I’m selling my series x, series s (and probably my ps5) and getting the Pro.

Sony maybe having a slow year but Microsoft just keeps fucking up over and over again. I feel like any one of us could have steered this ship better.

A slow year?

 

[eerik9000]

just ask Lionhead

Absolutely nothing Phil Spencer could have done. Lionhead was ran to the ground and lost a lot of talent when Phil was the General Manager of Microsoft Studios, so when the became the Head of Xbox, he had to shut them down.

 

[bender]

I think it goes back to IP.

 

[Sleepwalker]

Clear signs that growth in the industry isn’t likely right now. When you can’t grow revenue, the axe comes out.

“Welcome to the Xbox family.” Lol

 

[Zheph]

A slow year?

The usual crap, even if the game is available only on PS it doesn't count if not developed as 1st

 

[graywolf323]

Absolutely nothing Phil Spencer could have done. Lionhead was ran to the ground and lost a lot of talent when Phil was the General Manager of Microsoft Studios, so when the became the Head of Xbox, he had to shut them down.

guess what Phil did before he became GM of first party studios overall?

he was the GM of MGS Europe, he is directly responsible for the state of Lionhead because he had been the person in charge of them since 2001

With the launch of the Xbox in 2001, Spencer joined the Xbox team and served as general manager of Microsoft Game Studios EMEA, working with Microsoft's European developers and studios such as Lionhead Studios and Rare until 2008

Phil Spencer (business executive) - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[SportsFan581]

Yikes, was watching the latest Daniel Owen video and heard about this. Tango networks is a sad one. Hi-Fi Rush was so good. I guess those PS sales were a lot less impressive than they thought they would be.

I agree with Owen that this is moving in the wrong direction. Looks like they are doubling down on the giant AAA and dropping some of the lower budget games.

 

[30yearsofhurt]

I wonder how big a bonus Phil Spencer gets for mis-managing xbox studios?

 

[Pedro Motta]

Avoid hate comments for MS. Its a platform holder.

I will copy all hate comments here then when your favourite plastic box company will do this, will paste them there with name changed.

And call you a bootlicker on top.

Boot Lickers vs Ass Sniffers. Who wins?

 

[lem0n]

Redfall Season Pass buyers right now:

Buyer*

Shutting down Arkane Austin should have happened a week after Redfall came out. What an embarrassment

 

[Negotiator101]

Hilarious.

Your very first line:

Studio's that don't make money, don't produce games that make money will always be in danger

Now it’s about interest and excitement.

They can’t make money because they are hamstrung by Microsoft’s shitty business model.

Are you dense? Games that generates excitement are exactly how you grow Gamepass subscribers who pay!

You kill me man, probably your most funny post and the competition was fierce

I'm sorry you don't understand logic, carry on.

 

[eerik9000]

guess what Phil did before he became GM of first party studios overall?

he was the GM of MGS Europe, he is directly responsible for the state of Lionhead because he had been the person in charge of them since 2001

You know who else was in Europe at that time? That's right! Jim Ryan! I think we all know who to blame.

 

[rickybooby87]

The leadership team at XBOX needs to be scrapped, this includes Phil.

Redfall was avoidable, good leadership at Microsoft would have spared Arkane Austin the embarrassment by cancelling that game, and avoiding the marketing spend. A good leadership team would have seen this coming from a mile away. Tango is mind boggling, nothing but misleading statements and lies coming from Phil these days.

 

[Negotiator101]

Hellblade 2 won't remotely reach the sales nor playerbase of hi fi rush.

Don't be stupid.

 

[danklord]

Games make too much money and the c-suite business world is clueless on how to sustainably create blockbuster games while driving historic profit. They're heartless, zero personality, excel warriors who are so fearful of their shareholders they will literally do anything to look good at their company and have a good meeting during earnings reports. This sucks, and won't even out until there's governmental regulation.

 

[GHG]

Absolutely nothing Phil Spencer could have done. Lionhead was ran to the ground and lost a lot of talent when Phil was the General Manager of Microsoft Studios, so when the became the Head of Xbox, he had to shut them down.

He was directly responsible for them and oversaw their demise when he was head of EMEA game studios.

Please read this interview from 2008 and look at how backwards his thinking always has been:

Phil Spencer - Part One

Last week, Microsoft announced that it would be closing Ensemble Studios, the developer behind the long-standing and hu…

www.gamesindustry.biz

The guy has been stinking the place out from the moment he was put in a position of power at Xbox and things have only become worse over time.

 

[Ass of Can Whooping]

Are you dense? Games that generates excitement are exactly how you grow Gamepass subscribers who pay!

Except their gamepass subscribers have already peaked.

 

[LordCBH]

Don't be stupid.

He’s not. The first game wasn’t a juggernaut, and sequels almost never do as well as the prior release.

 

[Gaelyon]

Clear signs that growth in the industry isn’t likely right now. When you can’t grow revenue, the axe comes out.

“Welcome to the Xbox family.” Lol

Welcome to the aXebox family actually ^^

 

[Klayzer]

Ohh my god. Thats the funniest shit in this thread.

 

[BoxFresh123]

Still wild how bad Redfall bombed given they closed a big E3 time showcase with it.

 

[NeverYouMind]

Yeah closing Tango is criminal.
EW2 is one of best games EVER MADE.

Evil Within II is one of my favorites and I enjoyed Hi-Fi Rush. The gaming industry as a whole seems to be going down the shitter at light speed.

 

[Mr.Phoenix]

This is why I don't trust MS.

So to just put this into perspective. They took a publisher, who makes games for everyone. Bought them, started off by making that publisher only make exclusives, and then now, closing studios within the said publisher, while reverting back to taking some of that publisher's games back to being multiplatform.

And people don't see how twisted this company is.

Call it whatever you like, but when MS acquired Bethesda, I called this, I said, (from the other site)

Why should anyone be happy about a company buying Bethesda that has barely managed to keep any of its tent pole studios happy and running? Just watch them fail here and start closing shit here too.

And here we are.

 

[Banjo64]

Are you dense? Games that generates excitement are exactly how you grow Gamepass subscribers who pay!

Of course, that’s the only way to make money. Not selling your games the proven, profitable way. Giving them away on subscription services that are failing and bleeding money in every industry.

And you have the cheek to ask if I’m dense.

 

[TintoConCasera]

Call it whatever you like

"retarded management" would be my pick.

 

[Jesb]

Tango?!? wtf Microsoft, that one really hurts. How does that even make sense?

 

[Men_in_Boxes]

Anyone else NOT surprised that underperforming studios got closed down?

Sometimes NeoGAF is a place where common sense goes out the window.

 

[AtomicStarving]

I've been saying this forever after MS bought ABK. When you buy so many big studio, you will need billions to make these games, especially now that games are getting way expensive. If your division isn't making enough money (you need to SELL GAMES), the solution is to make small AA games, close the studios (more layoffs), make more multiplatform games, and/or sell studios/IPS. Just image the amount of money to make a new COD or blizzard games.

The solution is to focus on big games that make money, and try to make more from all of them. It's a snowball effect. Now all eyes are on Hellblade due to the lack of excitement surrounding it.

 

[rofif]

Lol my xbox 20th anniversary controller comes in clutch yet again.
In fact I've bought one for my nephew too lol

 

[ChorizoPicozo]

I think the future of Game Pass is highly compromised... can MS actually kill it? at this point I think it is a possibility.

 

[Zheph]

I think the future of Game Pass is highly compromised... can MS actually kill it? at this point I think it is a possibility.

More like a necessity

 

[SF Kosmo]

I can understand Arkane Austin, but why Tango? HiFi Rush is one of MS best IPs

I think Tango is pulling a Toys for Bob and going indie, just under a new company.

 

[Elios83]

And Phil Spencer is still there

 

[solidus12]

Jez Corden:

 

[Flabagast]

I think the future of Game Pass is highly compromised... can MS actually kill it? at this point I think it is a possibility.

It's clearly not working and it is not sustainable as a long term strategy, they surely must be actively thinking about how to escape out of it

 

[Zheph]

I think Tango is pulling a Toys for Bob and going indie, just under a new company.

It's dead bro but some employees will likely join Mikami new studio's Kamuy

 

[ChuckeRearmed]

Considering that layoffs and closures affected ABK and Bethesda now, I wonder what studios will be affected in XGS. I guess performance of some games might depend on that.

 

[LordBlodgett]

Fuck off Microsoft. Tango has created a bunch of great games. WTF

 

[jshackles]

Anyone else NOT surprised that underperforming studios got closed down?

Sometimes NeoGAF is a place where common sense goes out the window.

At least Arkane and Tango were releasing stuff. Why not trim the fat on a studio like Compulsion games, who haven't released anything in the six years that Microsoft has owned them?

 

[Ass of Can Whooping]

Anyone else NOT surprised that underperforming studios got closed down?

Sometimes NeoGAF is a place where common sense goes out the window.

I simply don't care for the justifiction of being cut throat because they need to jump from being a 3 trillion corp to a 3.1 trillion corp

 

[Topher]

Holy shit.....this video....



"You acquire a studio for what they are great at now and it is your job to accelerate how they do what they do. Not them accelerate what you do."
-Phil Spencer

 

[solidus12]

Jez Corden:

 

[digoutyoursoul]

I think Tango is pulling a Toys for Bob and going indie, just under a new company.

If Rare are doing whatever the hell they are doing, the likes of Tango could have been a good fit for a new Banjo or Conker imo .

 

[eerik9000]

I think the future of Game Pass is highly compromised... can MS actually kill it? at this point I think it is a possibility.

Don't worry. We have been assured for years by industry leaders like Phil Spencer, that Game Pass is sustainable, and by industry analysts like Mat Piscatella, that Game Pass somehow magically increases game sales. Absolutely no worries. It's the best deal in gaming!

 

[ChorizoPicozo]

Holy shit.....this video....

i just remember some thing said in that business update.... bro.... MS is so fucking shit.

I hope someone make a clip like that.

 

[Mr Moose]

At least Arkane and Tango were releasing stuff. Why not trim the fat on a studio like Compulsion games, who haven't released anything in the six years that Microsoft has owned them?

 

[IAmRei]

few years ago, i heard GP from my worker, and then i said it wont work. the sustainable model is not broken, and why fix it with new model which dev will suffer in the long run?
the gamedev community in my place hates me because i dont like the GP model.

Seeing now, turns out i was correct by then.

 

[Alebrije]

Guess this is how Phil visits their studios now :

 

[Red5]

Holy shit.....this video....



"You acquire a studio for what they are great at now and it is your job to accelerate how they do what they do. Not them accelerate what you do."
-Phil Spencer

Never trust corpo suits, they're hired not for their creativity or passion for video games but for their abilities to lie, twist and worm their way to the top.

There's a reason why real creative minds have left Blizzard, Tango and a lot of studios that were swept up in the MS buy ups.