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Microsoft Could Ship 3M Xbox 2 Units In Dec. Quarter
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sonycowboy
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pcostabel said:
Huh? That's a somewhat queer statement. At $299, it's certainly not going after the AV enthusiansts, but then that's true of ALL consoles since the CDi.
Mama Smurf
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Pff, analysts.
Worldwide?!
I really hope that is true. It has been difficult to find excitement in the XBOX2 when I know I'll be in Japan by that point (finally). I was planning on importing one from the US, but I'd much prefer an actual Japanese release. I just wasn't expecting one due to the..."popularity" of the current XBOX.
I really hope that is true. It has been difficult to find excitement in the XBOX2 when I know I'll be in Japan by that point (finally). I was planning on importing one from the US, but I'd much prefer an actual Japanese release. I just wasn't expecting one due to the..."popularity" of the current XBOX.
""This appears to be a tactical effort to show Xbox 2 before Sony (nyse: SNE - news - people ) demonstrates the PS3 [PlayStation 3 videogame console] at E3.""
This keeps coming up again and again - that MS and Sony are vying to demo their consoles first - but I just can't understand why either company would be so keen to "go first"? Honestly, I just don't see it. Anyone care to explain?
If such a little contest is ongoing, can we really expect Sony now to reveal details on PS3 before May 12? A pre-e3 japanese event, perhaps?
This keeps coming up again and again - that MS and Sony are vying to demo their consoles first - but I just can't understand why either company would be so keen to "go first"? Honestly, I just don't see it. Anyone care to explain?
If such a little contest is ongoing, can we really expect Sony now to reveal details on PS3 before May 12? A pre-e3 japanese event, perhaps?
sonycowboy
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This fits with my assertion over a year ago, that Microsoft is going to try and sell as many hardware units as they possibly can before the PS3 hits. Sounds obvious, but what I mean is that it seems obvious with a simultaneous worldwide launch that's earlier than everyone else's along with all of this jockeying for the announcement, along with the tremendous amount of launch games we're hearing about, that Microsoft is making a supremely concerted effort to take advantage (or more precisely, create the advantage out of a possible disadvantage) of their lead time by doing EVERYTHING possible to have as many units as possible packed into homes before the PS3 hits.
It seems they really, really ascribe much of Sony's success this generation to the year head start it had on the Gamecube and the Xbox. Lock in consumers, media, publishers, developers,etc.
It seems they really, really ascribe much of Sony's success this generation to the year head start it had on the Gamecube and the Xbox. Lock in consumers, media, publishers, developers,etc.
Wulfer
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Gofreak is really that hard to understand who ever goes first sets the terms for the rest. If you think M$ is gonna promote the XBOX 360 the way they did the XBOX your in for a rude awakening. Just like Sony will not promote the PS3 like they did the PS2. There are bigger stakes on the table now. The war has truly begun.
VictimOfGrief
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N/A launch I would assume 1.7 Million sold within the first month.
EU 1.5 Million "
Asia .8 by Feb '06
EU 1.5 Million "
Asia .8 by Feb '06
sonycowboy said:
The headstart means nothing. It's owning the greater marketshare. The more marketshare you have, the more software sales.. the more 3rd party developers want to work with you.
It may work, or if enough people just wait for PS3 it won't really have much of an effect and MS will have lost the nice hardware advantage they had this generation.
MightyHedgehog
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It's gonna be really interesting if X360 debuts at $249 US....that's a lot of pressure to put on everyone coming afterward if it takes off well enough. $299 is probably what it'll be, though.
WULFER said:
I agree with the latter part, but not your first point (that the first to go sets the terms - though MS is certainly ploughing new territory with some of their approach here, it's not necessarily going to set the trend). The stakes being higher doesn't necessitate a race to be first IMO, especially when the timescales involved are so small.
I hope there is a race - the sooner we see stuff the better
- but I just don't understand why there would be one.Cyan said:
If PS3 is significantly more powerful than Xbox 360 Sony will catch MS (if not surpass) by Christmas 2006. If the Xbox name loses it's power advantage all they have left is Halo and XBL. I don't think that's enough to stop Final Fantasy, GTA, GT, better looking 3rd party ports, etc.
scissorfight
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Razoric said:
Didn't someone here state that one of these two would be revealed at E3 to be on Xbox360?
I didn't find it believable, but anything can happen. I'd have told you to go **** yourself if you would have told me way back when that I'd be playing Sonic on a Nintendo console (although that happened for completely different reasons).
Either way, I think we'll need to wait until E3 to have a true idea of how Xbox360 will really do against PS3.
jadehorizon1
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wow ... Microsoft really isnt messing around. A $250 move would be brilliant. Especially since Sony is gonna have to pay a crap load of cash to put that blue-ray drive in PS3. With PS3 scheduled for 2006, there is no way they can squeeze it in there at $299 without immediately killing themselves. I like their strategy if this is it. Come flying out of the gate, then if you cant beat them head to head, bleed them to death. Looks like Peter Moore is still pissed over DC ... hes got unfinished business with Sony
sonycowboy said:
PhatSaqs said:
No, it's not a duh. The way I see it, is that Microsoft aren't going to look at this as a marathon and have a 5 year plan to win. Instead they are going to go sprint out of the blocks and try to sell as many as possible in the first year through sheer brute force, none of this pstwo business where there are shortages to create later demand. That way the competition are going to have to play big time catch-up, and Microsoft will be in a position to get string exclusive software support.
MightyHedgehog
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Razoric said:
I don't see the rationale in the bolded. The 'power advantage' hasn't helped XBOX significantly this gen, so why would it mean shit for anyone next-gen? Unless the power difference between consoles is painfully obvious from the get-go, it means nothing. With regard to franchises and the buddy-buddy relationships between many companies, I don't think that the way things are in this gen will remain so come next.
jadehorizon1 said:wow ... Microsoft really isnt messing around. A $250 move would be brilliant. Especially since Sony is gonna have to pay a crap load of cash to put that blue-ray drive in PS3. With PS3 scheduled for 2006, there is no way they can squeeze it in there at $299 without immediately killing themselves.
I thought Sony created the Blue ray format. Should not their cost be cheaper then everyone else, especially if they are producing millions of units instead of thousands?
Just because they arent planning to create artificial shortages doesnt mean that they dont have a "5 year plan to win". Regardless of how they introduce the product, ultimately, all of the hardware makers, or any other entity that sells products, share the same goal. To sell the most they can.heidern said:
I think Microsoft's Xbox 360 showing at E3 is going to blow the roof off the place. There will be some titles that won't live up to the hype, but the overall quality of the launch lineup will be stellar and possibly make many forget about current gen. However Sony will have a nice counter with its still strong PS2 lineup and a big teasers for upcoming exclusive PS3 games with some glimpses of early gameplay footage that will leave gamers' mouths watering.
Microsoft's job is to convince you to want to take the plunge into next-gen this November, while Sony's job is to convince you to wait until mid '06. That's the battle right there.
Microsoft's job is to convince you to want to take the plunge into next-gen this November, while Sony's job is to convince you to wait until mid '06. That's the battle right there.
Wulfer
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What if M$'s hit is to costly and Sony dumps Blu-ray. Popcorn for everyone this forum would explode. No one has showed clear reasons why this tech is needed. HDTV has not taken off like everyone said it would and these drives will cost close to $300 by themselves. I'm starting to think Blu-ray won't be in PS3. IF it's there Sony's gonna bleed, bleed like no tomorrow.
MightyHedgehog said:
But it has helped them. Yeah they didn't catch Sony but I remember a time when MS's Xbox was a laughing stock. Their system's power, harddrive, online plan made them a contender. People expect Xbox games to look better than Sony / Nintendo. If they lose that power advantage next gen significantly then they may have a problem. We'll just have to see how they stack up at E3 and beyond.
Casuals could not notice the difference between a first gen PS2 title and a first gen Xbox title. The difference won't be that obvious next gen (a matter of a number of polygons and shader effects on the screen, nothing more) so it's more than doubtful that anyone except the most trained eyes will be able to spot any real difference.Razoric said:
Next gen will be the content war, not the hardware war. I would love to know all the different offers Sony and MS will have for the big developpers, in terms of money/royalties and support.
flsh said:A 250$ price will be great, tough I'll get one even for 300
Great move by microsoft. I hope this makes sony launch in a 250-300 price point as well
That's the flip side of the coin... MS releasing at $250 will surely be a slap in the face to Sony. I wonder how much money they'd have to eat / how much they'd have to gut the PS3 to match that price.
Heh, I called a $250 price (for the non-HD system, of course). Hope it's true. There's really no point in doing a non-HD bundle if they aren't planning on grabbing for a little bit more thrifty demographic with it. Putting it out at $300 or more would just net the sales of the same ol' launch enthusiasts, and that lot is undoubtedly gonna go for the HD bundle anyway. This way the HD systems gets sold to the enthusiasts, and the non-HD ones have a better chance at grabbing a little more casual audience from the very beginning of the console's life.
Plus, with Sony saying they have no plans to release a non-bundled PSP, what's going to look like the better deal between the two during the holidays if they're the same price, a full-on next-gen console or a handheld?
Plus, with Sony saying they have no plans to release a non-bundled PSP, what's going to look like the better deal between the two during the holidays if they're the same price, a full-on next-gen console or a handheld?
Lord Error
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Someone from EGM posted here that the actual reason Sony had their conference a day ahead of what they usually have, was because Nintendo bought their regular E3 timeslot.
It makes sense for Microsoft to go first, they can benefit from it somewhat, and Sony hardly can (the opposite may hold true for them), they had the May 12 unveiling planned a lot ahead. This was obviously not a huge secret, and if Sony really wanted to reveal stuff before them, they would not stick to 16th.
Either way, it's just a few days of difference. I think it's basically a lot of hot air being blown from media, but that's nothing new.
Razoric said:
The price issue is tricky. Sony could try playing the "premium" card with PS3, and consequently make the X360 look like a less serious option. Price can do funny things to consumer psychology. Lower pricing didn't do much for Nintendo (although there it was one factor of a few..).
Sony has experience persuading consumers to spend more for their products
That said, I'm sure Sony is aiming for a sub $300 price point with PS3. PS2 was under $300 at launch, right?
MightyHedgehog
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human5892 said:
Sure, and my statement was my opinion on the general worth of the power advantage...Personally, I don't know of anyone that buys a console just because it's more powerful than another...there has to be the games to get them over the edge.
People familiar with the pricing of various segments of consumer electronics and the value offered at various pricing levels will know that BOTH are great deals. People not so informed will continue to make estimations of worth purely based on their personal financial standing, as usualShig said:
And if MS chooses to bump Xbox 2 up to $300 in order to include BC, it'll still be a great deal.