BruceLeeRoy
Banned
I'm 100% with you. Gears kind of over-saturated itself with me and Cliffy is really the only person that could bring me back to it.
Microsoft: Next Xbox will work even when your Internet doesnt
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I'm 100% with you. Gears kind of over-saturated itself with me and Cliffy is really the only person that could bring me back to it.
Are we sure he isn't secretly working on something? I can see him showing up at E3 with a new company and game.
If it bothers you that much then, like, don't contribute to shitting it up. Or "moisting" it up. Whatever.
statham
Member
I've thought of this, he has visited alot of companies on his vacation. or maybe hes thinking its time for cliffy jr, and want to take a few years off.
edit: my little ponies isn't going to save this derail.
Yeah, and if they had done this earlier Adam Orth might still be working for Microsoft Game Studios.
A mass email to their employees is indicative that their mulling over online-only requirements caused confusion among the different studios and teams.
Why would they do it before they even announced the May 21st reveal. silly. Not even close to Microsoft's fault for the Adam Orth incident. Do you really believe MS should change their reveal plans because an employer might tweet something stupid?
He actually resigned and wasn't fired.
Love this!
I know that Sony is going to do in-UI advertising, the PS4 stuff shown has already given that away, but I just am not sure about multiplayer. That seems to be one of the last few clear-cut advantages the Playstation brand has over the Xbox. Now, is it as good of an online infrastructure and platform? No, but it's still free and that goes for a lot.
Most companies will allow someone who's committed gross misconduct to resign, depending on the severity, so as not to harm their chances of employment later. I've seen it loads of times at the company I work for.
Adam Orth did not leave of his own free will.
The latest news is that negative Microsoft rumors have evolved from something that could be verified one way or the other to something that there is no way for Microsoft to refute.
Case in point: Microsoft is 6 months behind in developing games for their next gen console.
No matter what Microsoft does, you can always claim they are behind.
Genius.
Case in point: Microsoft is 6 months behind in developing games for their next gen console.
No matter what Microsoft does, you can always claim they are behind.
Genius.
You don't know that.
Pachter ripped apart those rumor-mongers on his Pach attack show. Pretty funny stuff.
Baconsammy
Banned
Pachter shot Kotaku's rumor to shit tonight. Check out his latest video. Great stuff. What's funny is that he also still believes that the always-connected rumor is true.
Yes we do. In his position he'd have to work a notice period of at least four weeks. What are the chances of someone having a Twitter meltdown and having the media storm coincide perfectly with the end of that notice period?
You'd need the gullibility and wonderment of a 7 year old to believe he wasn't pushed.
No, you don't.
He could have left because he thought he embarrassed himself and/or the company. You think you know what's going on but you or I have no idea because we aren't him. He could have left of his own volition, he could have been let go softly, or something else, you don't know. Nobody does but him and some people at Microsoft.
Miles Quaritch
Member
Heh. In a thread where everyone's showing their true colours, I find it absolutely hilarious that you only quote me.
Hilarious.
CrunchinJelly
formerly cjelly
I think he was just being an ass hat on the Internet.
It's quite common, I believe.
Yep, couldn't have said it better.
Sorry, what are you talking about here? Because I was saying that Microsoft should have clarified their position about always online internally long before this recent internal email. In what way does this affect their reveal?
Unless they only recently decided to allow offline single player, everyone on the nextbox project should have been made well aware that durango wouldn't be always online.
Because his personal opinion on how good always online would or wouldn't be is independent of his employer's policy on the matter?
Because playing devil's advocate is a thing?
It was absurd to assume that because he defended the idea that constituted tacit comfirmation of it. That's the mystery that needs explaining here, why anyone would believe that in the first place, not why he would say those things despite MS not requiring online.
HollovVpo1nt
Banned
Bummer, I didn't mind always online and it was a good way to secure third party partnerships.
Have you ever seen and ad by Sony where they say PSN is free and XBL is not?
Have you ever seen and ad by Sony where they say PSN is free and XBL is not?
dragonelite
Member
You resign or you resign or you resign.
Why? It's not unreasonable to assume that people aren't told any more than is absolutely necessary for them to do their job, in order to maintain secrecy. Why would somebody working on audio hardware know whether or not the box has a constant connection? Why would somebody working on controller design need to know?
dragonelite
Member
There was a leak or article on how microsoft engineers got contacted to work on the durango project. Something about you get a letter, you need to work x amount of hours on it, you can't tell anyone not even your department head, if he ask on what project are you spending your hours on you needed to give him a phone number so they can inform him. Some new world order level of secrecy going on that durango project.
And when you work at a big corporation is it really that strange to get informed via mail.
I had an internship at a 30 person company and most of the communication went via mail.
I imaging a company like microsoft would communicate even more over mail. Still more positive rumor about non always online drm is nice to hear after all those online drm crap that went down with diablo and simcity5.
sony does have ads saying free to play online on psn actually
Is there a reason anyone who doesn't hate Microsoft, but then doesn't shit up Sony or Nintendo threads must be an MS fanboy around here?
TheVoidDragon
Member
I haven't seen much of Pachter, but several things he said in that video are stupid, especially what he said about people who buy the Xbox mini. Only good thing he said is about the rumour on Microsoft being 6 month behind.
A lot of crow will be eaten. On both sides
Umm, this is quite a handy feature if Sony can pull it off...
HollovVpo1nt
Banned
I know they do. Sony does advertise with free online, but not by directly mentionning XBL, which is my point.
I don't think they were going to do it, in the first place. I think the message got mixed. I think the documentation that this all derived from was from the devkit being that they need to always be online. People source or whatever you want to call them took that info and automatically applied it to the retail versions.
But people will believe what they want to believe, honestly I think some people just like shitting on MS.
But people will believe what they want to believe, honestly I think some people just like shitting on MS.
They weren't going to do it.
There was literally no reason that was worth committing commercial suicide for.
It was never going to happen. Always online became Online required, probably because the dev kit requires online for security.
NemesisPrime
Banned
Hallelujah, a true believer!
perineumlick
Member
We may never know if MS planned to require Internet or not, or if negative feedback caused them to change their plans. I do feel that consumers voicing their displeasure about company practices is a good thing, and that influence shouldn't be discounted. If all the ranting and raving on GAF, and other forums, caused the mainstream media to take up the story and run with it, and in turn enacted change on MS' part, then it was all worth it. If not, and it was all a miscommunication, then at least MS may realize that consumers are more savvy than they thought, and they can't just force unsavory practices down their throats without opposition.
It's fucking Shrödinger's cat.
Who knows what they were or weren't going to do. Before they make an actual announcement everything is possible.
uncledonnie
Banned
Um yeah and we've maintained that all along. There are so many reasons why it was blatantly obvious that it was never going to happen that many willfully ignored.
There isn't a facepalm gif anywhere that could possibly illustrate how naive you are.
The dude was TOLD to leave.
reasons :
play without a disc inserted
play nice with publishers
Live stats showed them how many of their customers were always online
Apps needs online
Most AAA games have MP/online stuf already
I believe it was a matter of choosing from the start to require "online" and build services/alliances around it rather than play catch-up if "always-online" was inititated by Sony or else and worked them magic.
If MS sees its future in the cloud as per the leaks, they may have wanted to charge forward.
Reality is the Games Industry was built around buy/sell and the cloud future is very cloudy indeed.
Exactly, everyone seems to ignore the level of service MS is STILL providing for the Gold subscription. Yes, Sony have 1 upped them in this department, but only very recently. Next Gen should be when we start deciding if these services are worthwhile or not.
Persoanlly I've had no complaints (for the price I got) with Gold I've used thus far and I think PS+ service is outstanding. But I think PS+ wins in terms of value for money by a fair margin.
Always Online Required was NEVER going to happen, get over it people, find another barn to burn. Try Kinect.
BenjaminBirdie
Banned
Same thing happened with the Blu Ray add on back when I was a kid. For years people would prop it up as an abandoned initiative, since it could never be disproven.
NullPointer
Member
Its not really a positive as much as a lack of a negative, and even then this article is still a little hazy. Its all about the 21st now.
Beer Monkey
Member
Has there ever been a single credible news site that has ever reported that even (and we are already in hearsay territory) that anyone has ever seen a page of documentation, or an internal correspondence, or has attended a meeting where a representative of Microsoft has stated 'the next Xbox console will only play games if you have an internet connection'?
I mean, because that would be at least quoting a source that claims to have seen the memo, read the book, attended the meeting with publishers and/or developers.
But there isn't even that much of a claim. It's always "well, we have heard this". Which is usually followed up in a day or so by "LOL WE DON'T KNOW WHAT THAT MEANS".
So basically at this point you have to make a HUGE assumption to decide that you believe that Microsoft was planning this. Especially when there are so many ways that people could have been confused by other possibilities (online only devkit, diskless Xbox mini, etc) and jumped the gun.
The burden of proof falls on those making the claim, not those suspicious of the claim. People keep saying where there's smoke there's fire, but the smoke I've seen looks extremely thin and foggy.
I must admit that i have only been a member for a few months and i have already noticed that the forum on a whole seems to be very pro Sony and anti Microsoft, even when Microsoft have some good news, people seem to try to twist it into a negative, you don't get that with Sony from what i have seen.
Dance Inferno
Unconfirmed Member
Because he was an idiot? You don't make comments like that as a company employee and expect to get out unscathed.
Anyway this is very good news, as that was the main concern I had regarding Durango. Now show us some great games and technical specs and I may be tempted to pick one up.