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Microsoft Studios' creative director has some choice words about always-online

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Dead Man

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watership said:
Saying "Don't buy something if you don't like it" does not equal the shit you just posted above. That's as bad as comparing always online to having power for a vacuum. If you want his journalism, read his site. That's his personal twitter account. Sure, shit you say has repercussions, but that doesn't mean he's speaking officially. That applies to everyone's personal twitter.
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Again, it is covered in Polygon branding. It is not his personal twitter.
 
cyberheater

cyberheater

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The more I think about it. The more having a permanent online thing does not bother me.

I'm more worried about the 'no second hand game' thing.
 
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DieH@rd

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DaBuddaDa said:
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So basically Gies is saying #dealwithit

WHAT A SURPRISE ARTHUR GEESE.
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WHAT THE FUCK?!?! THE FUCKING FUCK?!?!
 
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Beer Monkey

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Game Guru said:
All it takes is one publisher to do it. I think the only reason they don't is because retail wouldn't stand for it, which consoles need to keep satisfied.
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No, it takes one publisher to do it and Sony and Microsoft to allow it. They might not certify the game. You don't know that they would.
 
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OG Loc

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Sweet Billy? Really? Sweet fucking Billy? What type of lame ass nickname is that? That's not going to get you any bitches, man.
Now, "Adam Bomb" would have got the panties soaked and would have been quite accurate considering how things have gone nuclear now.
 
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Can Crusher

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TheJollyCorner said:
couldn't MS easily deny this and still avoid 'talking about' the NextBox?
Something along the lines of "We at Microsoft don't believe in the practice of putting our consumers at any disadvantage, online or offline. This goes for the future, too."


so if they remain silent, are we lead to believe this reality might really be true?
Because the alternative would be a public message of something like: "Yes. We want everyone to be online all the time. Please look forward to more information in May/June."


Tricky spot for them right now.
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They can't deny it because it's true. What are they gonna do? Say "no" now and then later say "yeahh...well...we thought about it and actually it's a pretty cool idea in the end"?

The train left the station when they told developers they could develop their games with always online in mind.

And I think it takes a special kind of person to want to be called Sweet Billy.
 
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Aquamarine

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TheJollyCorner said:
couldn't MS easily deny this and still avoid 'talking about' the NextBox?
Something along the lines of "We at Microsoft don't believe in the practice of putting our consumers at any disadvantage, online or offline. This goes for the future, too."


so if they remain silent, are we lead to believe this reality might really be true?
Because the alternative would be a public message of something like: "Yes. We want everyone to be online all the time. Please look forward to more information in May/June."


Tricky spot for them right now.
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It's going to be spun at E3 as this revolutionary, comprehensive, unprecedented innovation that allows you to stream games instead of downloading them, have instant state resumes, stream movies / all of your favorite content, etc.

MS's going to load it with features to try and dampen the rage before it gets out of control.

For that strategy to work, they really can't say anything right now that isn't vehemently anti-always online, otherwise it will just add fuel to the fire.
 
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Duelist

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dokish said:
Yeah, because if you post 'fuck black people' or 'fuck gays' its ok right?

Good excuse to do shit.

Pope: "Abortion is gonna get you to be raped in hell" - "LULZ JUST PERSONNAL OPINION 0N TWEET3R GUYZ"
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Fallacy harder.


I honestly don't think an always-on console is necessarily a bad thing. I'm sure developers could make that work to their advantage (a game like Journey for example), where they don't have to account for cases where a subset of consoles are not up to date, not connected to the internet, etc.
 
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peanutbutterlatte

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It's hilarious how Arthur Gies keeps downplaying his own relevance and career. "Hey guys! Videogames... take them or leave them, they can be bad or good, who gives a shit?"
 
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SonnyBoy

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Wow, people want him fired? You guys sure are an emotional bunch...


He's a moron for sure but he shouldn't be fired. LOL And I'm most definitely not purchasing the new xbox now. If times got lean and I had to cancel my internet connection, I'd hate for my console to essentially turn into a brick.
 
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watership

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Hix said:
On that note, who do you think Adam Orth answers to? I just want to have a mental picture of the scene of his P45 and ass being handed to him in an angry board room.
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Phil Spencer heads up Microsoft Studios, so think there are probably a bunch of execs below him, and then managers of groups of projects/games, then the leads or creative directors. So many he's 3 or 4 levels down from Phil? I'm sure Phil has shit on this guy by now. Even if he was just joking and messing around. Damage is done.
 
Lactose_Intolerant

Lactose_Intolerant

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Miles Quaritch said:
Calling him a cunt as well as other insults isn't criticising him. Criticise him all you want, after reading up on his past actions on this forum, I'm right there with you, but it crosses a line when people make it personal by calling him a cunt, etc. It's unnecessary and beneath what I'd expect from GAF.
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Agreed, and his latest twitter comment that was posted here wasn't even bad. He called always online stupid and to buy a ps4 if you don't like it. The guy constantly says dumb stuff, this wasn't one of them.
 
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kharma45

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OG Loc said:
Sweet Billy? Really? Sweet fucking Billy? What type of lame ass nickname is that? That's not going to get you any bitches, man.
Now, "Adam Bomb" would have got the panties soaked and would have been quite accurate considering how things have gone nuclear now.
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UltraMagnanimous

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Miles Quaritch said:
Calling him a cunt as well as other insults isn't criticising him. Criticise him all you want, after reading up on his past actions on this forum, I'm right there with you, but it crosses a line when people make it personal by calling him a cunt, etc. It's unnecessary and beneath what I'd expect from GAF.
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There's your problem right there.
 
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-Pyromaniac-

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Lactose_Intolerant said:
Agreed, and his latest twitter comment that was posted here wasn't even bad. He called always online stupid and to buy a ps4 if you don't like it. The guy constantly says dumb stuff, this wasn't one of them.
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it was one of them. There is a real discussion to be had hear about anti-consumer practices and he is stifling it by downplaying it all.
 
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Verachi

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Adam Orth sounds like a fucking prick. I wouldn't mind a console where we buy games from an online store but to have to be always online to play a game is ridiculous. I was thinking about switching over to PS4 because of Destiny but this always on bullshit is helping this decision a lot easier. I'm going to wait for some official info before I make a decision. Mind you I hate when people rage and say that they will switch over to the playstation. If playstation does this always on bullshit I'll just move to PC gaming.
 
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Uno Venova

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Miles Quaritch said:
Calling him a cunt as well as other insults isn't criticising him. Criticise him all you want, after reading up on his past actions on this forum, I'm right there with you, but it crosses a line when people make it personal by calling him a cunt, etc. It's unnecessary and beneath what I'd expect from GAF.
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Cunt in this context is clearly an insult yes. But that clearly wasn't the bulk of the comments.
 
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Tripp Daily

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Joe Shlabotnik said:
I don't think anyone should be making personal attacks on anyone. And I haven't. So if you're mostly annoyed at anyone telling him to die in a fire or something, I agree.

But if you don't think it's obtusely dismissive for a video game critic to say "so what" to the idea of a major console manufacturer / game publisher / game developer going always online for its next console, regardless of there being a competitive alternative, I don't know what to say.

Maybe always-online ends up being a fabulously successful idea, because enough people ignore it, don't know, or don't care, and it inevitably becomes the norm, even though it has no real benefit for consumers. That is bad.

Maybe always-online ends up being an unmitigated disaster, and Microsoft hemorrhages so much money on a dead Durango that they bail out of the console business. That is ALSO bad.

Maybe enough discussion and blowback occurs before the fact and MS reconsiders their plans.

These all seem like things a writer for a video game site might be marginally interested in talking about. And it seems like legitimate fodder for forum discussion. Video games are inherently "small potatoes". They're fucking video games. But if we're going to bother talking about them at all, this is exactly the kind of thing "worth" talking about.
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I find it interesting that the one option you left out was that "Hey, always online provides a great benefit to the consumer". This is a completely plausible option that everyone seems to forget because of past company failures and the failure to see Microsoft's "hand" so to speak.

Are you completely denying that always online could provide a benefit to consumers/journalists/developers/publishers/retail partners in the gaming marketplace that you may not have thought of yet?
 
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Hero_of_the_Day

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OG Loc said:
Sweet Billy? Really? Sweet fucking Billy? What type of lame ass nickname is that? That's not going to get you any bitches, man.
Now, "Adam Bomb" would have got the panties soaked and would have been quite accurate considering how things have gone nuclear now.
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LOL. What the fuck?
 
Evolved1

Evolved1

make sure the pudding isn't too soggy but that just ruins everything
The worst thing about this for MS is that they didn't get to dilute the attention this issue would inevitably receive with all the other positive coverage that will come from an official reveal.

I mean... when MS reveals the console, most of the coverage will be in summary format, jornos giving the rundown on all the features. Always-online will be one thing of many to talk about.

Now, the only thing people are talking about is this shit, and MS didn't even have the chance to get out in front of it with anything positive.

Just... incredibly dense and quite possibly damaging.
 
Boss Man

Boss Man

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I hope I'm not exaggerating too much, but I think I just witnessed one single man completely destroy Microsoft's reputation with the core crowd - the very people who actually are always online.

I guess the third gen curse is real. It feels like Sony and Microsoft swapped places or something in terms of attitude.
 
GetemMa

GetemMa

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Microsoft is making this next gen decision so so easy for me.

I don't even want this thing of theirs now and I haven't even seen it.
 
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blackflag

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.....meanwhile my Internet service is still down after at least the last 4.5 hours from a major provider in A major city (Phoenix)
 
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artist

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Lactose_Intolerant said:
Agreed, and his latest twitter comment that was posted here wasn't even bad. He called always online stupid and to buy a ps4 if you don't like it. The guy constantly says dumb stuff, this wasn't one of them.
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I'll be polite here but if you dont see anything wrong with his latest comment then that's really being short sighted.

edit: I see others have also pointed out the same to you.
 
Evolved1

Evolved1

make sure the pudding isn't too soggy but that just ruins everything
Tripp Daily said:
I find it interesting that the one option you left out was that "Hey, always online provides a great benefit to the consumer". This is a completely plausible option that everyone seems to forget because of past company failures and the failure to see Microsoft's "hand" so to speak.

Are you completely denying that always online could provide a benefit to consumers/journalists/developers/publishers/retail partners in the gaming marketplace that you may not have thought of yet?
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Name one.
 
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