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[Gantz]

The sound quality of MP3 players will always be crappy because of the compression format of MP3 (and all the other compression formats they play for that matter). Much worse than cd - and cd is not great to beginn with.

Sounds good to me. All my mp3s are a minimum of 192 bit rate.

 

[Dr_Cogent]

The sound quality of MP3 players will always be crappy because of the compression format of MP3 (and all the other compression formats they play for that matter). Much worse than cd - and cd is not great to beginn with.

:lol

Apple's compression is lossless. Are you telling me that it isn't as good as a CD?

Do you know what lossy and lossless mean?

CD not great to begin with?

What, before there were CDs, sounded better?

 

[hadareud]

:lol

Apple's compression is lossless. Are you telling me that it isn't as good as a CD?

Do you know what lossy and lossless mean?

CD not great to begin with?

What, before there were CDs, sounded better?

There is no such thing as a lossless compression. Wave (CD Format) is already compressed, which is why you are losing sound quality. Don't believe me? Go into a recording studio and listen to the music before it is compressed into wave. Then listen to the CD and you will most definetely hear a difference.

And yes, vinyl was a better sound medium, just not very practible and reliable (scratching etc.). This may sound stupid because you might remember crappy vinyl players and scratched vinyls - but that is just the way it is.

This is no opinion, this is fact. Please research the web, I'm sure there is plenty of resources to back up what I am saying.

I am no purist, all the music on my pc is mp3, but yes - there are differences (and those are not small).

I have a bit of insight into the matter. But you don't have to believe me if you don't want to.

 

[Dr_Cogent]

There is no such thing as a lossless compression. Wave (CD Format) is already compressed, which is why you are losing sound quality. Don't believe me? Go into a recording studio and listen to the music before it is compressed into wave. Then listen to the CD and you will most definetely hear a difference.

And yes, vinyl was better sound medium, just not very practible and reliable (scratching etc.). This may sound stupid because you might remember crappy vinyl players and scratched vinyls - but that is just the way it is.

This is no opinion, this is fact. Please research the web, I'm sure there is plenty of resources to back up what I am saying.

I am no purist, all the music on my pc is mp3, but yes - there are differences (and those are not small).


I have a bit of insight into the matter. But you don't have to believe if you don't want to.

CD wave is a digital approximation of an analog signal. It's not "technically" compressed. It's a digital representation of an analog signal. Now, if you consider that to be compressed, well - fine, but IMO it's not.

So you are telling me that there is no such thing as lossless compression because the CD is compressed to begin with? I don't know if that makes much sense. Sorry, there is such a thing as lossless compression. There is lossy and lossless. A CD converted to Apples lossless compression format should result in exactly the same sound wave output.

Also, are recording studios still using mainly analog recording devices? Or are they digital?

This is a good read

Also, the Nyquist Theory is interesting as well. Somehow, I don't think CD quality is as bad, or bad at all, like you are saying it is.

 

[Lord Error]

This is no opinion, this is fact. Please research the web, I'm sure there is plenty of resources to back up what I am saying.

There are also a LOT of resources that literally laugh at what you are saying.

LP did have warmer sound or whatnot, but it also used some nasty tricks in envelope compression/expansion and whatnot (I can't bother to look it up now) to make up for it's lack of dynamic range. Many studio technicians claim that sound of a CD is more faithful to the original recording than LP is, even though to some people LP sound is more dear to heart.

 

[Dr_Cogent]

There are also a LOT of resources that literally laugh at what you are saying.

LP did have warmer sound or whatnot, but it also used some nasty tricks in envelope compression/expansion and whatnot (I can't bother to look it up now) to make up for it's lack of dynamic range. Many studio technicians claim that sound of a CD is more faithful to the original recording than LP is, even though to some people LP sound is more dear to heart.

All this talk is whisking me back to a memory I had as a teenager where a friend of mine was telling me that tapes were better than CD's.

Boy that pissed me off big time back then. :lol

 

[hadareud]

CD wave is a digital approximation of an analog signal. It's not "technically" compressed. It's a digital representation of an analog signal. Now, if you consider that to be compressed, well - fine, but IMO it's not.

So you are telling me that there is no such thing as lossless compression because the CD is compressed to begin with? I don't know if that makes much sense. Sorry, there is such a thing as lossless compression. There is lossy and lossless. A CD converted to Apples lossless compression format should result in exactly the same sound wave output.

Also, are recording studios still using mainly analog recording devices? Or are they digital?

This is a good read

Also, the Nyquist Theory is interesting as well. Somehow, I don't think CD quality is as bad, or bad at all, like you are saying it is.

Thanks for the link, a good read indeed. I was looking for a dynamic comparison between CD & Vinyl and came found this:
http://www.audioholics.com/techtips/specsformats/LPvsCDformats2.php
Pretty interesting as well.

You are also right that it is not a compression per se. The problem is however that you have to "cut" a certain sound spectrum off to fit a song on a CD.

 

[hadareud]

There are also a LOT of resources that literally laugh at what you are saying.

LP did have warmer sound or whatnot, but it also used some nasty tricks in envelope compression/expansion and whatnot (I can't bother to look it up now) to make up for it's lack of dynamic range. Many studio technicians claim that sound of a CD is more faithful to the original recording than LP is, even though to some people LP sound is more dear to heart.

Well, I know alot of people who prefer the sound of a CD (including studio technicians) - that doesn't mean that the CD tells the whole story though, it's just personal preference.

 

[Dragona Akehi]

STOP WHINGING.


Or at the very least whinge in an existing thread.