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Mini Mafia III |OT| An Amazing Alien Abduction Adventure
- Thread starter YesNOnoNOYes
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funny because I'm like never night killed
I was in star wars at the very end, and I was in zelda because my lover got killed.
If you're scum in a game feel free to n1 kill me. I prefer it
At the end-game stage, though, I think Kyaaa should have done a little more since he was a confirmed townie ...because the others were obviously not confirmed and were in need of someone to look up to, for direction and guidance. But, we have yet to see Kyaaas form as a town leader, so, maybe thats one thing that we will witness in the future
Hmm Kyaa should've done more for sure, but that's what Kyaa is not that good at. Kyaa does not see how his opinions are better than other's and it ain't like people follow Kyaa nor does Kyaa really want them to do that either.
and cop is a dumb role with no internal downsides fuck cops
yn thank you very much for changing the voting rules. I got very bummed out when I realized I could convince people I was town in a 4 man showdown and still lose. I appreciate you taking that into account. And yes, down with plurality!
I felt like the activity was good in this game mainly because it was most active when I was here. I know for gor it seemed to frustrate him. For me it was nice not having to wake up to pages of new content.
And thanks for the kind words <3
I felt like the activity was good in this game mainly because it was most active when I was here. I know for gor it seemed to frustrate him. For me it was nice not having to wake up to pages of new content.
And thanks for the kind words <3
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funny because I'm like never night killed
I was in star wars at the very end, and I was in zelda because my lover got killed.
If you're scum in a game feel free to n1 kill me. I prefer it
dont.... dont mention that game pls
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Kyaa needs to level up Kyaa's town leader game!!! Kyaa has the smarts ! Spoder can smells it !
omnomnomnom
coin toss sux
that is all
and <3 bak at u ! wheeeeeee~
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o why u not say so, bats! nacks!
anyway, i think majority is for me.... that excitement of a turbo * ___ *
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rigged scum
rigged coin flip
rigged train
rigged gut
rigged coin flip
rigged train
rigged gut
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Worked, though.
I was hoping squids would catch it. I knew the slip had to come in before kyan to stand up to even slightly poking - it needed to look credible enough to give real town points for the mistake. I felt squids could have done with a bit of a leg up, and I could waste a whole day in doing so - town got nothing done on D3 really. Also, I didn't want squids to claim cop at that point so I ruined it for him. Mwahaha.
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Congrats to arochnid - well run. Flavour was excellent, molding was prompt, can't get any better.
I'm not a huge fan of the phase lengths, but clearly overruled in that respect. I think they harm game quality, and were an enormous help for scum - how was town supposed to win with so little opportunity for discussion? I think they also favour more 'random' outcomes. There's so little time that suspicions formed on day 1 are still around on day 4, because there's no time for them to alter. It's almost impossible for anyone to change anyone else's mind, and the game gets reduced to a sort of lottery. I think the preference for short days does undermine GAFIA quality - although obviously that doesn't reflect on arochnid, who ran a fantastic game.
Similarly, glad we changed back to majority vote.
I'm not a huge fan of the phase lengths, but clearly overruled in that respect. I think they harm game quality, and were an enormous help for scum - how was town supposed to win with so little opportunity for discussion? I think they also favour more 'random' outcomes. There's so little time that suspicions formed on day 1 are still around on day 4, because there's no time for them to alter. It's almost impossible for anyone to change anyone else's mind, and the game gets reduced to a sort of lottery. I think the preference for short days does undermine GAFIA quality - although obviously that doesn't reflect on arochnid, who ran a fantastic game.
Similarly, glad we changed back to majority vote.
you bastard.
I don't think so. Here is where I think scum was really stacked just player wise. I put out a convincing theory for you/gorlak/melon, and people ran with it. Kawl was taken in, Kyan was taken in, Tim pushed it, Squidy pushed it, and melon and Gorlak couldn't set up any convincing alternatives. Had the opposite happened, say, it really was you/gorlak/melon, but I posited squidyj and czartim, and both of them were town, they could've easily talked me down.
People just need to play a lot more aggressive/analytical for short days/nights to work. I fell into the trap of tunneling as much as I wanted to stay away from it, but no one else was giving me a reasonable alternative.
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ty sir crustacean o7
i understand what you mean about the phases not giving enough breathing space to certain depth of discussion, but i think there's something different with the current trend of gafia in terms of players activity and contribution/engagement levels. as i said, mini 1 felt different, but i saw a fair few comments that some players felt that some parts of the phases felt inactive and slow. 76 hours of stalled discussion versus 48, and i can see why most opt for 48.
longer day phases would probably work better for overall game quality if the level of activity and engagement is higher though.
and congrats on first victory at gafia, lord of pincers
*rolls some cabbages at corgi's direction*
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player roster was making me very giddy when i rolled the roles, tbh... every other way it would roll, i think mini 3 would have stacked scum team. have you seen batsnacks in vampire as scum? or ouro in heist or gafia 2? or kyan, our resident scum mvp after rolling scum 5 times a row? or gorlak in mgs? every which way, i felt as if mini 3 would have presented a really interesting combinations for the factions...
of course, the fact that it did roll crab, czar and squidy was almost like drawing the scum team dream team. ngl i squeed when rng gave me those three names as mini 3 baddies.
squeed, i tell u
bottom line, when the players roster is gud, scummies have higher chance to draw a stacked team. also rng is a krul master ^___^
Tim played nasty.
Didn't read the correction of crab as any alignment indicative, I was just already pretty firmly in tims pocket unfortunately.
I think in something like this it comes down to needing town players to more actively clear themselves.
Margin also felt thin to walk to a win here.
Overall though town was just outplayed.
Gg scum
Didn't read the correction of crab as any alignment indicative, I was just already pretty firmly in tims pocket unfortunately.
I think in something like this it comes down to needing town players to more actively clear themselves.
Margin also felt thin to walk to a win here.
Overall though town was just outplayed.
Gg scum
gg scum
thx spider!
No hard feelings, it's all a game.
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Edit: Just one suggestion, and I know we already had that discussion, but day scum chat is a powerful tool. Doesn't look like it was heavily used in this game (apart from that one time), but I feel it's something completely unnecessary at this point. Yes, I'm aware of the downsides, but maybe the next mini edition can experiment how night only scum chat works out.
thx spider!
No hard feelings, it's all a game.
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Edit: Just one suggestion, and I know we already had that discussion, but day scum chat is a powerful tool. Doesn't look like it was heavily used in this game (apart from that one time), but I feel it's something completely unnecessary at this point. Yes, I'm aware of the downsides, but maybe the next mini edition can experiment how night only scum chat works out.
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I actually agree, and this is my fault. Scum and town learning curves aren't equal - newbie town beat newbie scum, middling scum beat middling town. When we started GAFia I had day chat to try and keep scum morale up and balance things out a bit. I don't think we need it now. Certainly, C9++ isn't conventionally played with scum day chat.
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i agree with both of you, i think generally, gafia's scummie play level is at the level where day chat can be disallowed
on the other hand, general gafia's townie play level probably isnt at the same development ... .___.;;;; (imo)
i agree with both of you, i think generally, gafia's scummie play level is at the level where day chat can be disallowed
on the other hand, general gafia's townie play level probably isnt at the same development ... .___.;;;; (imo)
Maybe I'm coming from a weird place, but I think we need to just let town play catch up. Lot's of the early games were balanced in favor of town (~4 scum ~20 total iirc) and the scum meta in games recently (I haven't really read this one since I was in my own game) has been that scum has countered the things town usually looks for. This reminds me of SC2 balancing where what a lot of older players from Brood War wanted the devs to wait for a while and see how the meta evolved instead of instantly fixing an "imbalance" with a buff or nerf.
I think we need town (or scum should that happen again) to just fail instead of tweaking the balance too much and yoyo-ing between seasons where one or the other gets a clean sweep. That will force town players to switch things up. A misread in a game you won doesn't sting as much as a misread that cost the game.
If most games are clean sweeps I agree something needs to be done, but games like Persona could've been town wins with a little luck and this game (it seems) just had scum outplaying town and of course they should win there. Night only chat is also something that has never been done here (iirc) and would be a big shift which could have unforeseen consequences. I'm mostly thinking that scum could end up really struggling to adapt and we get another season of town winning everything.
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yeah, i can see your point yonyon
i think maybe the sample size can also be bigger before we make any drastic changes, but for now, i'll note this for further discussions at the main thread so we can get everyone's say on it
appreciate the thoughtfulness <3
woh, yonyon is a fellow sc2 spec? too bad it's quietened down these days. GSL and ProLeague was so fun to watch/follow
i think maybe the sample size can also be bigger before we make any drastic changes, but for now, i'll note this for further discussions at the main thread so we can get everyone's say on it
appreciate the thoughtfulness <3
woh, yonyon is a fellow sc2 spec?
too bad it's quietened down these days. GSL and ProLeague was so fun to watch/follow I haven't watched it in a while, but I used to watch a ton back in Wings of Liberty. I never got good at the game, but loved watching the tournaments and see them mindg ame each other
I actually watched a bit of Brood War this morning, randomly noticed it was streaming. I don't know much about Brood War, but man they can have some really fun to watch games. TvT especially.
I actually watched a bit of Brood War this morning, randomly noticed it was streaming. I don't know much about Brood War, but man they can have some really fun to watch games. TvT especially.
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Yeah im terrible at the game, but I love watching the tournaments
I caught the tail end of Brood War, but i was right there when SC2 launched :> It was super exciting. I still remember cheering for NesTea and everything
oh i see yonyon's the enemy ... you are a filthy terran huh >:O
my favourite match up is TvZ
#ForTheSwarm
I caught the tail end of Brood War, but i was right there when SC2 launched :> It was super exciting. I still remember cheering for NesTea and everything
oh i see yonyon's the enemy ... you are a filthy terran huh >:O
my favourite match up is TvZ
#ForTheSwarm
That's why I proposed to try it out in Mini or other midseason games.
Scum day chat just bugs me in principle (as well as any other gossip/mason/separate day chat by the way). How should a group of people have secret discussions at day, when everyone is at a town meeting discussing who to lynch?
Haha, the fluff for me disappears two posts into the game when everybody has stopped with the flavor
I love chats of all forms. Danganronpa and Love Boat are still the most memorable games for me thanks to the chat I was in.