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[Darkmakaimura]

So I was reminded tonight that 'Missing 411' is in my VUDU backlog. I bought it in March of 2018 and still haven't watched it but I intend to soon. I'm a David Paulides fanboy. He's my guy.

We always talk about video game backlogs, but never movie ones.

What the deuce is in your movie backlog?

Edit: I done fucked up the thread title. Meant to say 'Your Movie Backlogs' after deciding to change the thread from being about Missing 411 to Movie Backlogs. Can a mod change the title?

 

[Dacon]

Is this the right place for this?

Also I've been following these disappearances for a while, even outside of Paulides' work which I believe to be a bit too sensationalized. What I've read has me more than a little alarmed.

 

[Darkmakaimura]

Is this the right place for this?

Also I've been following these disappearances for a while, even outside of Paulides' work which I believe to be a bit too sensationalized. What I've read has me more than a little alarmed.

Shit wrong thread title AND forum.

 

[QSD]

Is this the right place for this?

Also I've been following these disappearances for a while, even outside of Paulides' work which I believe to be a bit too sensationalized. What I've read has me more than a little alarmed.

So yeah, this thread is supposed to be about movie backlogs but I've been wanting to talk about Paulides' claims for a while... I think that while the individual cases he discusses are sometimes hella strange, when he starts talking about "clusters" of disappearances he's just either confused or not on the level. He'll talk about how unsolved disappearances often happen in national parks... yeah no shit sherlock, where else are people going to disappear from? The middle of the city? Also he'll say things like a lot of these cases happen "around water" which is such a general qualification that it could apply to almost any situation. 'The weather changes quickly' is similar in that it is so broad, and probably very likely to happen whether or not someone disappeared.

So yeah I agree with Dacon that his work is too sensationalized. IMHO especially as it pertains to statistics and speaking about 'missing 411' as a discrete 'phenomenon'. It's fun to listen to his recountings of individual cases though, and there are definitely cases that leave you scratching your head

 

[TrainedRage]

Was surprised to learn that one of these cases happened at a park about 2 miles from my house. Pretty scary knowing this happens all the time and people seemingly can just vanish.

 

[Croatoan]

Missing 411 is one of the most mystifying and scary things out there. The prevalence of these stories is crazy too.

If yall watched the netflix unsolved mysteries show (Season 1) there was an episode on a black man that died after going to a party. Parts of that were straight up missing 411.

His boots/hat were mysteriously removed.
It rained after he disappeared.
Area was searched thoroughly for days but he wasn't found.
Body found much later by family right out in the open for everyone to see in an area that had been searched dozens of times.

Now, I don't think this is a Missing 411 case, but it does have some resemblances.

The most interesting theory is that missing people are falling through tears in reality (wormholes) and ending up somewhere else. Some of the people who come back tells stories of being in an "elsewhere" place for a short time that isn't quite right. This lines up with centuries of "fairy" style lore and strange legends from times of yore.

The weirdest, most tragic, part of Missing 411 are the children stories and how their body's end up in impossible locations with no clear sign of death.

So yeah, this thread is supposed to be about movie backlogs but I've been wanting to talk about Paulides' claims for a while... I think that while the individual cases he discusses are sometimes hella strange, when he starts talking about "clusters" of disappearances he's just either confused or not on the level. He'll talk about how unsolved disappearances often happen in national parks... yeah no shit sherlock, where else are people going to disappear from? The middle of the city? Also he'll say things like a lot of these cases happen "around water" which is such a general qualification that it could apply to almost any situation. 'The weather changes quickly' is similar in that it is so broad, and probably very likely to happen whether or not someone disappeared.

So yeah I agree with Dacon that his work is too sensationalized. IMHO especially as it pertains to statistics and speaking about 'missing 411' as a discrete 'phenomenon'. It's fun to listen to his recountings of individual cases though, and there are definitely cases that leave you scratching your head

He has a whole book on disappearances of people from cities. More people disappear from cities than parks btw (kidnappings, etc).

I don't claim to know what is happening and most are probably drownings or exposure deaths, but some of these cases are truly bizarre. Paulides never really says what he believes either.

 

[Darkmakaimura]

So yeah, this thread is supposed to be about movie backlogs but I've been wanting to talk about Paulides' claims for a while... I think that while the individual cases he discusses are sometimes hella strange, when he starts talking about "clusters" of disappearances he's just either confused or not on the level. He'll talk about how unsolved disappearances often happen in national parks... yeah no shit sherlock, where else are people going to disappear from? The middle of the city? Also he'll say things like a lot of these cases happen "around water" which is such a general qualification that it could apply to almost any situation. 'The weather changes quickly' is similar in that it is so broad, and probably very likely to happen whether or not someone disappeared.

So yeah I agree with Dacon that his work is too sensationalized. IMHO especially as it pertains to statistics and speaking about 'missing 411' as a discrete 'phenomenon'. It's fun to listen to his recountings of individual cases though, and there are definitely cases that leave you scratching your head

Croatoan beat me to it but he has done about cities and he's talked a lot more then just about water (i.e. granite, boulder fields) and process elimination. Delve a little deeper into his work because he discusses you bring up.

 

[QSD]

He has a whole book on disappearances of people from cities. More people disappear from cities than parks btw (kidnappings, etc).

I don't claim to know what is happening and most are probably drownings or exposure deaths, but some of these cases are truly bizarre. Paulides never really says what he believes either.

The way I understood Paulides, is waaay back when he started out (I learned of him by him appearing on the mysterious universe podcast about 10 years ago I think) is that he started looking into unsolved missing persons cases and he found these what he calls "clusters" of cases centered around national parks. Which (like I said) is logical, not mysterious, because if there's any place that it's easy to disappear from without a trace, it's national parks. People get lost (remember a lot of the cases he discusses come from before cell phones or gps), are attacked by animals, make an unfortunate fall, etc etc etc.

Obviously a lot of people also disappear from cities, a lot of people live in cities. so there is going to be a certain % of disappearances.

Although he never really says what he believes, he presents the cases that have the biggest 'WTF'-factor, and I feel that what he's usually implying is that there's some extradimensional race of hybrid bigfeet that are abducting people left right and center, all while leaving their clothes neatly folded because you can't have clothes in bigfoot space

Croatoan beat me to it but he has done about cities and he's talked a lot more then just about water (i.e. granite, boulder fields) and process elimination. Delve a little deeper into his work because he discusses you bring up.

I've listened to him at length. I do love the 'spooky' aspect of some of the weirder cases he discusses. But I think his conjecture about a "pattern" is him just misunderstanding or willfully misrepresenting basic statistics. Also I feel a bit 'icky' sometimes as I feel that I'm deriving some kind of spooky entertaiment value out of what in many cases is probably a mundane tragedy without a proper sense of closure for the bereaved.

 

[Croatoan]

The way I understood Paulides, is waaay back when he started out (I learned of him by him appearing on the mysterious universe podcast about 10 years ago I think) is that he started looking into unsolved missing persons cases and he found these what he calls "clusters" of cases centered around national parks. Which (like I said) is logical, not mysterious, because if there's any place that it's easy to disappear from without a trace, it's national parks. People get lost (remember a lot of the cases he discusses come from before cell phones or gps), are attacked by animals, make an unfortunate fall, etc etc etc.

Obviously a lot of people also disappear from cities, a lot of people live in cities. so there is going to be a certain % of disappearances.

Although he never really says what he believes, he presents the cases that have the biggest 'WTF'-factor, and I feel that what he's usually implying is that there's some extradimensional race of hybrid bigfeet that are abducting people left right and center, all while leaving their clothes neatly folded because you can't have clothes in bigfoot space



I've listened to him at length. I do love the 'spooky' aspect of some of the weirder cases he discusses. But I think his conjecture about a "pattern" is him just misunderstanding or willfully misrepresenting basic statistics. Also I feel a bit 'icky' sometimes as I feel that I'm deriving some kind of spooky entertaiment value out of what in many cases is probably a mundane tragedy without a proper sense of closure for the bereaved.

His "Clusters" are not all disappearances, but "mysterious" disappearance's that all follow a similar MO. There are a lot of disappearances in Parks, or just "the wild" that are not considered Missing 411.

If you are a Mysterious Universe listener then you should know how a Missing 411 disappearance is different from others. Ben and Aaron highlight it every time they go over Missing 411 cases.

I am not really trying to argue much with you here btw. I understand where you are coming from. I have seen people link Missing 411 with bigfoot, but mostly just because Paulides has written books on that subject as well. AFAIK he has never linked the two in a quote (though I could be wrong). The removing clothes thing actually is something people do with hypothermia (not sure about folding it though) and is just one aspect of what makes a Missing 411 case a Missing 411 case.

I think the most compelling aspect are the bodies that just show up in areas that have been already searched and often right out in the open. Once is a mistake, twice is a coincidence but three to twenty times? Thats some weird shit!

Maybe its the trees...

 

[QSD]

His "Clusters" are not all disappearances, but "mysterious" disappearance's that all follow a similar MO. There are a lot of disappearances in Parks, or just "the wild" that are not considered Missing 411.

If you are a Mysterious Universe listener then you should know how a Missing 411 disappearance is different from others. Ben and Aaron highlight it every time they go over Missing 411 cases.

I am not really trying to argue much with you here btw. I understand where you are coming from. I have seen people link Missing 411 with bigfoot, but mostly just because Paulides has written books on that subject as well. AFAIK he has never linked the two in a quote (though I could be wrong). The removing clothes thing actually is something people do with hypothermia (not sure about folding it though) and is just one aspect of what makes a Missing 411 case a Missing 411 case.

I think the most compelling aspect are the bodies that just show up in areas that have been already searched and often right out in the open. Once is a mistake, twice is a coincidence but three to twenty times? Thats some weird shit!

Maybe its the trees...

LOL yeah the individual cases he discusses are definitely freaky, no doubt about that. I'm gonna go with bigfeet are big pervs explanation for no clothes (which I think Ben and Aaron also secretly subscribe to) and they fold them because they're OCD like that.

About that thing where you find something in a place you know you looked previously, that also happens to me and my keys sometimes. Are you saying bigfoot...?

 

[Croatoan]

LOL yeah the individual cases he discusses are definitely freaky, no doubt about that. I'm gonna go with bigfeet are big pervs explanation for no clothes (which I think Ben and Aaron also secretly subscribe to) and they fold them because they're OCD like that.

About that thing where you find something in a place you know you looked previously, that also happens to me and my keys sometimes. Are you saying bigfoot...?

I am not a fan of bigfoot other than the bigfoot comedy Mysterious Universe does. If I had to pick a "Paranormal" reason I would go with the wormhole/fairy lore thing over bigfoot, or aliens.

Could also be something in nature that we don't understand, or haven't detected, yet that can affect the way the human brain works leading to irrational behavior (taking off clothes and folding them before doing activities experienced people know they shouldn't do).

There are a ton of "survivor" stories that span hundreds of years that claim people can end up in "other world" locations. Given that science believes parallel universes to exist then it is possible that people end up in those. That could also explain time slips or Fairy stuff too.


Now if you were to put a gun to my head this is my answer. We live in a simulation and what we see as "paranormal" is either glitches in the system or intentionally designed programs to fuck with us (think sims). Missing 411, and other disappearances, are just people who got deleted via a glitch and then dropped back in dead by whomever is running the simulation to try and keep us off the trail. Or the bodies showing up is part of the glitch, or maybe an automatic "cleanup" program. Regardless reality works like we think it does, as does science, but the simulation also breaks down from time to time giving us the paranormal. This means that science can't explain, or refute, the paranormal. Both can exist at the same time in a simulation.

 

[dcll]

This is semi related but I recently found a hunting channel but people send in bigfoot experiences to him and he reads them off. Worth checking out just for the visuals. This guy is a hunting guide in Canada and always reads emails in the mountains

 

[Insane Metal]

Woah because of this thread I watched both docs last night and that was something. I enjoyed it thoroughly.