The TV deal is pedestrian though, and doesn't significantly increase revenue. It is also long term, so they have no chance of cashing in later (considering Cincinnati is technically the smallest tv market in baseball, I doubt it ever will). The TV deal is $30m for what, a decade? Chump change.
This is a big year for Cincinnati.
Is there a website that details team's broadcasting deals (local, national, tv/radio etc)? I'm sure there is, I can't be the only guy who finds it kinda interesting.
The Reds have moved up a ton in TV ratings lately over the past couple years. I've seen a few columns on it, but the ratings are up there with a lot of major market teams in baseball. Mainly because of the following the Reds have all throughout the area in Ohio, Kentucky, and Indiana.
This was from 2010, there was another from last year that the ratings were up:
I don't know what the final deal would be, but by being better the Reds have increased their value a ton the past couple years, and there's a huge following all around the area.
To be clear, I wasn't talking about ratings but market size.
Rosenthal wrote an article that covers most of my problems (were I a Reds fan) with the deal:
http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/story/...cinnati-reds-may-regret-huge-mega-deal-040212
As far as a dedicated fan base...apparently you don't listen to WLW. Those guys are constantly bitching about how fair weather Cincinnati fans are. Though to be fair that is generally in relation to in-park attendance, which always seems anemic. That's one of the things I love about living 30 minutes from Cincy, it's never hard to get a ticket!
I found this on Forbes:
http://www.forbes.com/lists/2011/33/baseball-valuations-11_Cincinnati-Reds_332528.html
I don't know if an updated one is out yet. There Reds had the 4th highest TV ratings in 2010. Build a contender and people start to care, shocker there.
Well you suck 15 years without a playoff appearance, 10 years without even being over .500
Personally I would have rather they extend Latos, Madson and Phillips (if realistic) and let Votto walk. This contract definitely costs them those players and Arroyo (who is gone anyway).The fans don't give a damn about numbers, they'll just see once again, the Reds won't try to compete and concede they can't win.
i think its something likeWhats the Jays rotation this year?
lol, have you heard of the Brewers? 3 million tickets year in and year out! WOOO
Personally I would have rather they extend Latos, Madson and Phillips (if realistic) and let Votto walk. This contract definitely costs them those players and Arroyo (who is gone anyway).
A small market team has no business spending that much money on a closer.
Money is subjective. You got guys like Peter Angelos who wouldn't piss on you if you were on fire if you took a penny from him, and other owners who are more willing to take risks. Castelinni has been virtually risk free so far, and a new TV contract is coming up
Annually.
Angels get $150m a year.
Most owners in baseball spend based on the team's income which is understandable.Money is subjective. You got guys like Peter Angelos who wouldn't piss on you if you were on fire if you took a penny from him, and other owners who are more willing to take risks. Castelinni has been virtually risk free so far, and a new TV contract is coming up
Most owners in baseball spend based on the team's income which is understandable.
Just because I have $100 in my pocket to last the week for food, doesn't mean I'm going to go spend $90 of it on a nice sit down dinner one night, and then eat ramen the rest of the week.
Money should go where it's most valuable, and most valuable has nothing to do with the closer "position." It's a waste of money. If you're then Yankees or Red Sox or other teams where your payroll is essentially limitless, that's fine - but dropping $9-$10 mil on a closer, especially at the cost of a chunk of an MVP players contract, is flat out ridiculous and idiotic.
My awesome joke flew over your head.Most owners in baseball spend based on the team's income which is understandable.
Generally I agree with you on "closers" however Madsen is simply a valuable arm who will be an absolute bargain coming off of surgery.
The Reds giving Votto that contract simply makes no sense and hamstrings them going forward. The one positive is that I haven't seen anything about lunatic buyout option yeas or no trade clauses.
My awesome joke flew over your head.
not sure. its about the money had a interesting article on the yankees finances a few years agoAre there any estimates how much the Yankees take in annually thanks to the YES network?
Cordero was an idiotic signing not because of his price tag but because of the state of the Reds when they signed him. They were hot garbage with needs at every position. Signing a closer on that team was incredibly stupid.
Romero, Morrow and Alvarez are the locks, as well as McGowan when he comes back because he's out-of-options. Drabek starts the year on the rotation, and people are saying Carreno gets one start.
When/if McGowan comes back in May, Drabek/Cecil are gonna get re-evaluated and they'll decide between the two again.
they will be better than people think, but still shit. (i predicted them finishing second actually. That says more about how i feel about the division though).$80 for sox bleachers, don't people know they're gunna suck?
$80 for sox bleachers, don't people know they're gunna suck?
Ian Nova doesn't look too good right now.
You must not remember the disaster of 2006. Such a hilariously laughable bullpen!
But you make my point with Cordero. A contract like that restricts the ability of small market teams to adjust to their changing needs. Votto is getting more than twice what he ever got.
Yes, he is more valuable obviously, but the dollar amount is going to make it very difficult to replace Rolen, Phillips, Arroyo and find a LF.
Yea, I am just comparing it to the big market teams in baseball and even basketball. I mean the Lakers just signed a 20 year 3 billion dollar deal (a conservative estimate). $30 million annually? Man. Are there any estimates how much the Yankees take in annually thanks to the YES network?
Well I believe there's a difference than signing an MVP caliber player for 20 plus mil, and Votto is about as sure of a thing as it gets, than otherwise spending $20 mil on spare parts and hoping they mold together.
And the bullpen in 2006 was bad, but wasting $10 mil on one part of it made the situation even worse. It was similar to when the Reds overpaid Eric Milton in one of the worst multi year deals ever because the starting pitching was horrible.
I'll overpay for top caliber talent, what I won't take is overpay for unvaluable parts that could also hurt the team as well if they're stupid about it. All the players you listed are replaceable, Votto isn't.
Weird considering he's had a fantastic spring so far. Might have something to do with him coming out of the bullpen.Awful outing for Niese
Weird considering he's had a fantastic spring so far. Might have something to do with him coming out of the bullpen.
And meanwhile Pelfrey does his reverse thing just as planned. Another good outing for him, it's amazing how every spring he fucks around the first 3 weeks, and then his last 3 starts he always has his best outings. And of course he'll win his first 2 starts and give people hope before going full schizo again.Last outing of spring. 80% mode for pitchers, all out mode for hitters.
Yeah but there will be significant downgrades at three positions. That's why I was happy to see Fielder go (as opposed to paying him, still love him). The Brewers are a better overall team now than last year because they could upgrade the left side of their infield. Enjoy Casey McGehee at third next year!
On another note, I'm shocked at how few people are picking Cozart for RoY. He's gonna run away with it.
Well that's not known yet. Arroyo sucked last year, Rolen sucked and barely played, so I wouldn't qualify them as even problems to be replaced. Phillips needs to be replaced, but these sorts of things have to be replaced from within from your drafting, with hopefully, guys like Cozart and Billy Hamilton.
Just like going out to the bars, a 4 a 4 and a 2 don't make a 10. You don't drop a guy like Votto for the sake of adding a little more mediocre bulk. You build your minor leagues and hope you have the replacement ready at those positions.
did he make the team?I cannot believe this switch-pitching motherfucker is pitching for the Yankees.
did he make the team?
Damn wish I was home to see this live. Frank is sumthing wrong with Torres or was it just normal spring training substitution?I cannot believe this switch-pitching motherfucker is pitching for the Yankees.