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MMA-GAF | Interim Thread 7
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parrotbeak
Member
the casuals are going to bet on GSP so the odds should remain good.
Curious Puppy
Banned
Whatever dude, find as many stupid reasons as you want to talk shit about MM. The guy is fun to watch. End of story.
Jest Chillin
Member
I'm not talking shit. There's a reason why MM headline fights were moved to tv. And still got poor numbers.
You find his fights fun, by all means, enjoy. I find his fights and the Flyweight division in general like having a little piece of Bellator inside the UFC.
biosnake20
Member
The only PPV that TJ headlined when he was champ did like 125k buys. At least a MM PPV has hit 200k buys.
Jest Chillin
Member
-MD-
Member
GOAT
He is fighting at happy weight!
Yeah but Bisping sucks and is living off one punch. He was almost finished by Canderson and squeaked out a win over a 50 year old
I expected him to look a little sloppy, but damn, he looks slow and bloated.
parrotbeak
Member
Oh actually the odds are nearly even with Count being like +110. That's not worth it. I think he'll win though.
Rumblebones
Banned
Right off the bat you're going to give the UF fucking C the benefit of the doubt over MM? Oh, boy.
DJ is the champion and was about to make his 11th defence. Like he and his head coach said, the UFC were pushing some regional promotion bullshit. "Hey, fight this guy that's never fought at your weight class, if he doesn't make it you can just fight a backup."
That's straight up ridiculous. So DJ would have to prepare for two very different opponents just in case? Are you seriously not recognising how ridiculous that sounds?
He does care about rankings. Pettis was ranked and looked really good in his most recent performances.
Pettis was arguably more worthy than Borg, and definitely more so than TJ, who had never fought at the weight.
Yes, with the stipulation of a multi million dollar payday.
I am regretting this.
DJ said his children as his legacy, not his fighting career.
That doesn't mean he doesn't care about his fighting career, or breaking records.
And it's to be expected to a degree, but there is a point where they are straight up disrespect and they reached that point with DJ.
That's why DJ went on record with his statement.
No.
Dana White is a notorious liar and bully.
What the are you thinking with this both sides shit when it comes to him of all goddamn people?
Tyler Jeffery Dillashaw is not a draw.
He has never been draw.
He likely never will be a draw.
In fact, I'd bet DJ is a bigger name than he is just based on how huge the discussion is when it comes to his ranking amongst the GOATs.
DJ never asked for the Borg fight.
He wanted Pettis.
The UFC insisted on Borg.
Are you even reading?
You sound like every meathead on YouTube calling DJ a pussy for not wanting to take a fight without due stipulations. It's goddamn ridiculous how many of you are happy to play corporate cheerleader and still buy into whatever bullshit Dana White and the UFC put out.
Jest Chillin
Member
Didn't say that. In fact, said the opposite later in my post. But since you want to do this petty ass split-the-post-up reply stuff to try to remove context, I guess I'll have to repeat myself in addition to pointing out all the places where you're trying to put words in my mouth.
You mean shit like Conor getting a title shot at LW? Or Brock getting introduced and leaped over half the division? Or the many myriad of fights where challengers who have questionable records but get on a quick hot streak get leapfrogged over the division for shots like Holly Holm v. Rhonda or Pettis v. Henderson 1? Oh.. I guess that doesn't fit with you pushing this "MM gets the ultimate disrespect" angle though...
And getting a replacement fighter on short notice is not at all new or unique in the UFC. Shit happens constantly and yes, it even happens on fight night.
No. A decent stipulation would be that if TJ misses weight the title is off the line and MM gets a portion of TJ's purse. No fight at all AND the whole purse is ludicrous and not a legitimate attempt at negotiation.
Pettis is lower ranked than Borg, even now. Stop it.
Except DJ claims he believes him v. Garbrandt would be a payday but later says that since Garbrandt wouldn't sell then TJ wouldn't sell either.
So.. which is it?
Said his children are his legacy not his fighting career... but also said..
A monumental stone. Going where no man has ever tried before. That's not about career legacy at all.
He says multiple times in that statement that the fight was already set with Borg when the UFC tries to force him to take TJ... and yet he also said...
So, no, there wasn't a contract in place. He also alleges that the UFC didn't try to push him.. despite the fact that the UFC had him headline 4 ppv's. 2 of which did 115k. The third 125k. The fourth barely squeeked in at 205k. He also headlined several free tv cards that did horrible ratings. He got a ton of pushes. He doesn't help promote himself (or didn't until he stirred all this up anyways) and fights guys no one knows. Like Borg.
And as a bonus... when TJ started a twitter poll to ask fans who they'd rather see MM fight... Borg himself tweets
Don't even try to poison the well by attributing the phrase "both sides" to me. What I said was that when there are two different accounts that don't add up the truth is somewhere in the middle.
I said TJ was a bigger name and more popular fighter. And he absolutely was at the time this negotiation was happening, which is the time that actually matters. This was before Jones popped hot and obviously before MM started making noise complaining in interviews trying to argue his case for mistreatment. People were largely ignoring the entire Flyweight division.
This is not rocket science. He asked for Pettis. That got shut down. He supposedly verbally agrees to Borg but simultaneously asks for Garbrandt. Garbrandt gets injured and TJ steps up and says he'll fight MM. Then MM falls back on Borg... going as far as tweeting that he's waiting on the contract for Borg and won't fight TJ. That's pushing for the Borg fight over the TJ fight. That's asking for Borg.
You're getting so wrapped up in DJ's persecution complex that you're attributing a stance to me that I'm not taking. Nobody is being a corporate cheerleader here. I can acknowledge that the UFC does shitty things with it's matchmaking and simultaneously not feel bad for MM for not getting paid massive amounts because he's not fighting in a stacked division and had been doing little to nothing to help promote himself. This isn't an either/or situation no matter how much you want to frame it that way.
I didn't say or insinuate that DJ is a pussy or anything along those lines. I don't consider him GOAT for a record built on guys that aren't top tier. And taking the Borg fight to cement a record doesn't help his case for GOAT in my book. That's not analogous to being a pussy. You're going out there, being extra extra with these replies.
biosnake20
Member
They definitely need to reduce to 8 PPVs a year.
I honestly think its just the after effect of the Conor fight and even the GGG-Canelo fight.
Sato Koiji
Member
People dont like Ferguson. Im shocked! See, you can be a good fighter but a poor draw. Tony better take those PR classes. He needs to listen to himself.
GSP/Bisping (GSP is the A-side!) will do decent numbers.
GSP/Bisping (GSP is the A-side!) will do decent numbers.
Sweeney Tom
Banned
Honestly shocked it got as much as 100k
Ninja Scooter
Member
GSP with the Chuck Liddell body
biosnake20
Member
RDA vs Lawler set for Dec. 16 fight night main in Winnipeg
https://mobile.twitter.com/UFC_CA/status/918506747416809473
Surprised an interim belt isnt on he line
https://mobile.twitter.com/UFC_CA/status/918506747416809473
Surprised an interim belt isnt on he line
Omg he looks terrible
BadAss2961
Member
Thought about making this gif. lol
That look better improve after camp. Otherwise he's easy money.
parrotbeak
Member
He looks like Jesse Taylor
USADA stole GSP's athleticism!
A lot less ripped than JT Money, if we're being honest. Of course dude is juiced to the gills, too.
A lot less ripped than JT Money, if we're being honest. Of course dude is juiced to the gills, too.
Curious Puppy
Banned
Even pre-USADA non ring rusted GSP would have had a hard time against Bisping.
GSP is fucked.
GSP is fucked.
Sweeney Tom
Banned
parrotbeak
Member
After Count ko's GSP I'd like to see a rubber match between GSP and Matt Serra at hw.
pixelation
Member
I think i hear some oinking in the background there...
N° 2048
Member
I know it's one .gif but holy fuck this crossed my mind too. I kinda want Bisping to knock him the fuck out just cause GSP had his time.
Now there's a match up I can see gsp winning in 2017
parrotbeak
Member
Since BJ can't win at 145 he may as well challenge GSP again. He needs to be thinking about securing the record for most consecutive losses in the UFC.
Rumblebones
Banned
Bruh. This is you
That nonsense stance and belief you think DJ is being contradictory means that the UFC can't be completely off is giving the UFC the benefit of the doubt.
For one, I don't think Conor deserved a title shot at 155 after going 1-1 with Nate, however:
Conor moved up to his natural weight class he had previously fought in. He was a champ at that weight in another organisation.
He's also Conor fucking McGregor.
Same deal as Conor. It's not right, but it's Brock fucking Lesnar and there was no potential weight issue.
Bruh none of these people defending the belt for the record breaking time. These comparisons fall flat on their faces.
It's not new, but that doesn't mean DJ has to agree to that bullshit.
Jon Jones refused to fight at 151. That was his right.
Conor agreed to fight Mendes when Aldo pulled out. That was his right.
DJ shouldn't be pressured to have to prepare for two different opponents. It's clown shoes.
The UFC fuck about playing hard ball with DJ, with Dana even going so far as trying to imply to the media that he's afraid to fight TJ, and you have a problem with DJ playing hard ball right back? Bruh. This corporate loyalty is unsightly.
Bruh, I am actually going to quote DJ's statement so you actually read.
DJ said:
For the first fight he'd get PPV points on, DJ asked for the #'4 guy instead of the #3 guy because the #4 guy looked great in recent performances and was on a longer streak. There's nothing unreasonable at all. Even more so considering he took the Borg fight anyway.
Are you allergic to context or just illiterate? This literally contradicts no one but you.
DJ wanted to fight Cody.
The UFC said that fight wouldn't sell.
Then they try to push TJ on him arguing that that fight would sell? Christ.
In no way, shape or form does DJ caring more about his children mean he doesn't care about his career.
Nor does it mean that the fact DJ consider his children his true legacy mean that he doesn't care about any milestones or records or uncharted territories he uncovers in fighting.
You ever heard of the term verbal agreement?
The UFC insisted on Borg.
DJ conceded and committed to fighting Borg.
Then the UFC tried to change the bout while he was waiting on his contract.
They clearly had no respect for DJ after pressuring him to take the one fight, and then changing their minds because Tyler Jeffery fucking Dillashaw wanted to fight DJ in a weight class he's never fought before.
This whole issue was about much more than DJ fighting the rightful challenger. It was about principles beyond that.
What point is it that you think you are making?
I would love to see DJ fight TJ. I'd take that fight over DJ/Borg any day of the week.
That doesn't mean I am in favour of the UFC riding roughshod over DJ's career and dicking him about.
You are literally doing it over and over again.
Bruh.
This shit all happened like 4 months ago.
I'd bet you DJ was a bigger name then. In fact, I'd bet you he was the bigger name for quite a while before that.
Apparently it is to you considering your struggling so hard to understand this very simple situation of disrespect leading to a boiling point.
DJ asked for Garbrandt and was told no because it wouldn't sell.
TJ didn't "step up." He started making noise because he saw an opportunity for a shot at a belt. You're framing this like he was putting himself in unfavourable position, when he wasn't.
DJ didn't fall back on Borg, he refused to fight yet another fighter the UFC pushed on him with any input on his end. He was sick of being pushed around and simply being told what to do despite his record as a champ.
DJ said:
Nah, your stance is pretty clear.
You've demonstrated quite clearly you are exactly a corporate cheerleader. Miss me with this "the truth is somewhere in the middle" aka "both sides" shit.
No, just that he was refusing to fight Dillashaw under any circumstances - even though that isn't true.
Ain't nothing extra to this. You playing corporate cheerleader and refusing to wear that badge even though you've earned it.
VenomousCoffee
Member
Man, I was a big GSP fan back in the day. Really wish he'd stayed retired.
parrotbeak
Member
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