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[Tal Shiar Agent]

Yes this is related to the Starfield news, but if devs in general are going to start dropping 60fps performance modes for games on PS5/XSX then they should at least have 40fps/120hz modes.

Why? Well adding an extra 10 frames per second is far less resource intensive than adding an extra 30 and most games that lock to 30fps have the headroom for it already.

As well with 30fps you get 33.3ms of latency by nature, compared to 16.7ms at 60fps. With 40fps you get 25ms at a base. If you are sensitive to latency that is noticeable. As well outputting in 120hz reduces that latency even further.

Most (all?) Sony First Party games have this 40fps mode and a few third party titles do (that rat Plague game is one I know off the top of my head) and it works wonderfully.

If Jedi Survivor had a 40fps/120hz mode people wouldn't have had as much of a problem with the performance.


Personally I'd be fine with 1080p 40fps/120hz modes, but I know some people would rather 1440p. With upscaling tech constantly improving that might not matter as much for too much longer.


Edit: devs should offer a locked 40fps/120hz mode and an unlocked 40fps/120hz/VRR mode if able. Both need to be present since VRR support on consoles can be finicky.

 

[Mr.Phoenix]

Preach it!!!

 

[nkarafo]

Sure, more choices is better.

Though, i'm not sure if the 10fps difference is enough to make it better than 30fps. 40fps is still a bit juddery and blurry compared to 60.

IMO VRR needs to be a standard in all displays and target 60fps average. If a game drops to the high 40s, VRR will still sync it and make it look smooth. No need to lock frame rates anymore.

 

[analog_future]

Couldn't agree more.

It might not be for everyone but I'd choose a 40fps fidelity mode over a 60fps performance mode nearly 100% of the time.

 

[Traxtech]

40fps/120hz is my ideal play mode. It's absolutely fantastic, especially if the performance mode kills fidelity quite abit

 

[sn0man]

Say it loud!

40FPS could be the sneaky best feature add this generation if it were adopted wholesale on immersive FPS type experiences.

 

[darrylgorn]

I'd agree to that.

I think Starfield will have trouble hitting 30 though.

 

[Mr Hyde]

 

[Tsaki]

Yes it's a great interim, balancing good frame-time with great IQ. People rarely talk about it, but the difference of going from 30fps (~33.3ms) to 40fps (25ms) is the same as going from 60fps (~16.6ms) to 120fps (~8.3ms) which is ~8.3ms of difference.

 

[Crispy Gamer]

Yeah more people need to experience this mode they'll never want to touch 30 again if the option is there

 

[HeisenbergFX4]

 

[M1chl]

Yeah 40 FPS and just VRR modes, absolutely.

It's fucked up on Bethesda part to not include at least VRR options, since, when the pro console hits, they could get better performance on day one.

On the top of that triple buffer vsync for 30FPS, adds a lot of latency, which makes situation even worse.

 

[Gorgon]

Most (all?) Sony First Party games have this 40fps mode and a few third party titles do (that rat Plague game is one I know off the top of my head) and it works wonderfully.

Huh? What games have that explicitly as a mode on PS5?

 

[lh032]

the problem is not alot of people own a VRR monitor or a TV

 

[tmlDan]

agreed, why did it become the norm to be 30 fps and not 40? is there a specific reason why that became a standard?

 

[NickFire]

the problem is not alot of people own a VRR monitor or a TV

Almost no one had 4k when it first came out. Almost no one had 1080p when it first came out. The tide always starts coming in slowly.

 

[FunkMiller]

Agreed. 40 fps is fine. A Plague Tale ran at that, and felt decently smooth.

 

[lh032]

Almost no one had 4k when it first came out. Almost no one had 1080p when it first came out. The tide always starts coming in slowly.

yea i mean there no point focusing on 40fps for now, probably next gen

 

[Mithos]

They should also add the option for us to PICK the resolution the game is rendered at.

 

[Zuzu]

Mhm completely agree. FF16 needs a 40hz mode as well. Performance modes are gonna get progressively worse wrt image quality and graphics as the gen goes on and graphics improve and get more demanding on the hardware. We need 40hz as a standard option.

 

[rofif]

Yeah 40 is good

 

[Tal Shiar Agent]

the problem is not alot of people own a VRR monitor or a TV

Don't need VRR for 40fps/120hz, just 120hz or above support. 40 divides evenly into 120 so there is no screen tearing.

You only need VRR if it's a 40fps floor and is unlocked to run higher.

 

[rofif]

They should also add the option for us to PICK the resolution the game is rendered at.

no. get a pc. I want the LEAST possible amount of modes. It goes against optimization.
40 is fine but lets not get crazy. I dont want to be deciding almost anything on a consol

 

[adamsapple]

100% AGREED.

 

[Thirty7ven]

Yup the 40 fps VRR mode is really the best of both worlds in my humble opinion.

 

[Tal Shiar Agent]

Huh? What games have that explicitly as a mode on PS5?

Off the top of my head both Spider-Man games, Ratchet, Forspoken, Uncharted 4/LL Remaster, TLOU Part 1, Horizon FW, GoWR. I'm sure there are more.

 

[Mithos]

no. get a pc. I want the LEAST possible amount of modes. It goes against optimization.
40 is fine but lets not get crazy. I dont want to be deciding almost anything on a consol

Then we do not need any fps options either, get a PC dude.

 

[Gorgon]

Off the top of my head both Spider-Man games, Ratchet, Forspoken, Uncharted 4/LL Remaster, TLOU Part 1, Horizon FW, GoWR. I'm sure there are more.

Guess that explains it, then. Either installed and played for 2 hours or didn't even play them at all

 

[rofif]

Then we do not need any fps options either, get a PC dude.

I agree. We do not need any.
I would just give only 1 option. Unlock fps... just so it's ready for future consoles

 

[X-Wing]

no. get a pc. I want the LEAST possible amount of modes. It goes against optimization.
40 is fine but lets not get crazy. I dont want to be deciding almost anything on a consol

So, you also want them to remove graphical options on PC and optimize to just one GPU type?

 

[Zuzu]

Off the top of my head both Spider-Man games, Ratchet, Forspoken, Uncharted 4/LL Remaster, TLOU Part 1, Horizon FW, GoWR. I'm sure there are more.

Hogwart's Legacy is another one as well

 

[Thick Thighs Save Lives]

Should be the default mode for those with 120hz screens instead of 30fps if there's no performance mode.

 

[rofif]

So, you also want them to remove graphical options on PC and optimize to just one GPU type?

are you stupid ?
I have a capable pc. I just want console to be a console. Not a care in the world

 

[AJUMP23]

40 is really better than 60 guys.

 

[Mithos]

I agree. We do not need any.
I would just give only 1 option. Unlock fps... just so it's ready for future consoles

Neah, only whatever the developer choose, just keep the 4k almost 30fps or almost 60fps instead of giving us the option to pick 1440p instead and thus locking the fps to 30 or 60fps (as an example).

 

[Del_X]

That's cool but Starfield wouldn't even be able to hit 40fps consistently. There's more to graphics rendering than resolution - if the game logic isn't processed inside a 33.33ms buffer, it doesn't matter if the GPU has overhead.

 

[sankt-Antonio]

That's cool but Starfield wouldn't even be able to hit 40fps consistently. There's more to graphics rendering than resolution - if the game logic isn't processed inside a 33.33ms buffer, it doesn't matter if the GPU has overhead.

What is there to process that other games dont? Its not like the game is mining for bitcoins while playing. Its doing what Skyrim does, and that runs on any old toaster. Forza was more physics logic to handle than whatever this prettier version of Fallout is doing.

 

[Del_X]

What is there to process that other games dont? Its not like the game is mining for bitcoins while playing. Its doing what Skyrim does, and that runs on any old toaster. Forza was more physics logic to handle than whatever this prettier version of Fallout is doing.

GI is probably partially processed by the CPU, the enemy AI is more advanced than skyrim, there's a much more robust physics simulation.

 

[ryzen1]

Though, i'm not sure if the 10fps difference is enough to make it better than 30fps. 40fps is still a bit juddery and blurry compared to 60.

I can't play 30fps games on my oled. It feels super bad.
But with 40fps I can actually enjoy the game. So these 10fps make a difference for me.

 

[Valt7786]

Yep it's the perfect balanced mode, really should be a standard now.

 

[X-Wing]

are you stupid ?
I have a capable pc. I just want console to be a console. Not a care in the world

No, but you seem to be.
Different modes are optional. You only bother with them if you want to.

 

[rofif]

No, but you seem to be.
Different modes are optional. You only bother with them if you want to.

Nothing is optional. If there are many modes, devs need to develop them, implement, test and so on.
It's still not a pc. Things break if you change fps or even just resolution.

And the other part of the equation - I don't want to be choosing if I want pretty graphics or ugly graphics. I want to play the game the way it was meant to be.
There is a device for you. Keep using it. tip - it's not a console

 

[Tal Shiar Agent]

We shouldn't be okay with games walking backwards and offering less options.

 

[sankt-Antonio]

GI is probably partially processed by the CPU, the enemy AI is more advanced than skyrim, there's a much more robust physics simulation.

Where is this robust Physics simulation showing? AI for shooter like games peaked when FEAR released in 2005. Really dont know what the game is doing thats so physics intense.

 

[Putonahappyface]

100% agreed.

 

[Tal Shiar Agent]

I want to play the game the way it was meant to be

Heres a hint for you, if devs include an option in a game it was "meant" to be played with that option.

 

[MatrixReloaded101]

Don't matter, if its not 60 FPS people would still complain.

Most people especially on console don't want to sacrifice resolution for frame rates.

People like pretty graphics, especially if they have a 4K TV.

 

[SEGAvangelist]

I'm begging for 40hz modes in Starfield and FFXVI. Those games are perfect for that kind of presentation and would look much better on an OLED (and play better too) than 30hz.

 

[oji-san]

Tbh i couldn't see the difference between 30fps and 40fps when played A Plague Tale Requiem on XSX with C9, so not so keen on that option.

 

[Schorschi]

On an Oled it makes Sense