MidGenRefresh
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It's because at 21:9 you're rendering fewer pixels than at 16:9. I mean, it's pretty obvious, you literally have two big black bars at the top and bottom.
Insane gaming experience in 4K 120Hz 21:9
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It's because at 21:9 you're rendering fewer pixels than at 16:9. I mean, it's pretty obvious, you literally have two big black bars at the top and bottom.
GHG
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Set up custom resolutions in the nvidia CP.
Here's a decent cheat sheet of resolutions to try:
MidGenRefresh
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In 4k on a big ass TV? Wow!
HeisenbergFX4
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Update - got it and love ittime to ditch your "fake" 21:9
Got this on pre-order, shipping middle of march
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HeisenbergFX4
Yes but wider FOV also mean you rendering more objects on screen with a much wider angle. Guess geometric culling for most games are much wider than what you see in 16:9, I don't see too much pop in or missing geometry when using Lyall 21:9 hack. Almost every game is better in 21:9.
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cinnamonandgravy
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for a 100" 21:9 8k tv?
uncompressed 5.1 w/ atmos downmixing processor is a good baseline
7.2.4 or better if youre juicin'
and IMO, good speakers > number of speakers (you can always add more speakers later)
Deerock71
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crazyriddler
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Just a doubt, couldn't the same effect (ultrawide) be achieved by simply increasing the FOV? And also have more vertical view instead of unused pixels?
//DEVIL//
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Bullshit ? Both PS5 and Xbox back in 2020 were able to do 120 frames even in games like call of duty.
Ps5 pro is a 4070 level give or take and GT7 is 4K 120 fps ?
Just because 90% of the devs are shit at optimization even to reach 60 fps doesn't mean these consoles are weak.
All what u doing in pc is brute forcing shit developers work to get that high frames . my 5090 can't reach 4K 240 native at ultra settings ( not even 200. I think 170 max or 180 fps unless you wanna look at the sky all day ) and that is 5x the cost of a ps5 alone.
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Dr.Morris79
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I feel my 1440p, DLSS performance world shook
Shook
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Itchy Tickles
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If you have a proper ultrawide monitor you don't get black bars. The black bars appear when playing in 21:9 or 32:9 on a 16:9 panel. It is also not the same (you did not say this) as simply changing FOV.
There is not a direct 1 to 1 in pixel count as the numbers are different, but ultrawide in roughly the equivalent resolution produces a lot more pixels than 16:9.
At my resolution at 1440p (5120x1440) and 32:9, my monitor produces 7,372,800 pixels vs a 4K monitor 16:9 that produces 8,294,400. 4K 16:9 is under a million more pixels than 1440p ultrawide and 1440p is "half" the resolution of 4k.
A 4k ultrawide (again, not a direct 1 to 1) equivalent is to 11,059,200 which is under 3 million more than 4K 16:9.
DaGreatBeRich
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No, When I tried it in Star Wars outlaws, your field of view gets wider from the left and right, not sure if it chops some of the top or bottom, I got to check.
cinnamonandgravy
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trying to convince a friend to get thisUpdate - got it and love it
dont want it for myself because im scared once i get used to 21:9, i wont be able to go back to 16:9
but i really want to try it out
Fahdis
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Why are you playing on DLAA when DSR and DLSS/FSR exist on popular games? You named 2 games. Lets say the 98% of the library is 60 FPS max for consoles.
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Fahdis
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Ever heard of a GTX 1080 Ti or a Titan? Very limited 4K gaming at 120Fps but when it worked... it was magic at the time.
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//DEVIL//
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No I am just saying that the PS5 and Xbox can easily do 120 fps at 4k ( obviously not native )
Just because not many games support it because of a dev choice / lack of talent for optimal optimization doesn't mean these systems are weak
And of course I am using dlss to lock my games like cod etc at 4k 240. Otherwise I wouldn't dream about it.
Single player games ? I don't care as long as it's above 80 frames
Moochi
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I play on a 21:9 monitor and what it made me realize first is that you can't sit as close to it as 16:9. It's really cool, but it doesn't instantly make all games better. I really like it for single player adventure games like Jedi Survivor, Tomb Raider, and Witcher.
Nearly every JRPG I've played has required me to run Flawless Widescreen as an imperfect hack. There's almost always weird glitches that are ignorable, but annoying, especially when. The pre-rendered scenes are 16:9. I HATED when FF16 would switch aspects for a cutscene that looked worse than regular gameplay.
Nearly every JRPG I've played has required me to run Flawless Widescreen as an imperfect hack. There's almost always weird glitches that are ignorable, but annoying, especially when. The pre-rendered scenes are 16:9. I HATED when FF16 would switch aspects for a cutscene that looked worse than regular gameplay.
MidGenRefresh
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4k 120 Hz TVs didn't exist at the time.
kevboard
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doesn't mean you couldn't run at 4K and downsample to 1440p tho
but the 1080ti released in 2017 and the first 120hz 4k TVs released in 2019, so not too long after
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Fahdis
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Too bold of a statement to take seriously. You had to be quite loaded to afford one. But yea, DSR was available then.
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//DEVIL//
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There was/is no 2k 120 TVs either......doesn't mean you couldn't run at 4K and downsample to 1440p tho
but the 1080ti released in 2017 and the first 120hz 4k TVs released in 2019, so not too long after
MidGenRefresh
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Too bold of a statement to take seriously. You had to be quite loaded to afford one. But yea, DSR was available then.
Seriously? I swear I was an early adopter. Can you link to 4k 120Hz TVs that were available in 2017?
MidGenRefresh
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Thanks for stating the obvious.
But you could gain "more view" up and down on same image with same aspect ratio. Why keep black bars? You guys see more with black bars?
But they see "more" with black bars
Spukc
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This
21:9 is also cool for movies.
Downside: some games fucking butcher 21:9.
Giving you less screenspace
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Fahdis
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No, you're not understanding. HDMI 2.1 became a new standard in 2019. 2017 had HDMI 2.0b with 120 Hz panels at 1080P. If you turned on DSR Supersampling you could play your games at 120 Hz.
Anyways, LG OLED's, Samsung QLED's and Sony Bravia all had the capability with Tru Motion to some extent. Some names:
LG OLED C7
LG OLED E7
LG OLED G7
LG OLED W7
Sony XBR-55X900E
Sony XBR-65X900E
Sony XBR-65X930E
Sony XBR-75X940E
Samsung QN55Q7F / QN65Q7F / QN75Q7F
Samsung QN65Q8C / QN75Q8C
Samsung QN65Q9F / QN75Q9F
You could essentially use motion interpolation if you wanted.
MidGenRefresh
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Ok so I wasn't crazy. The idea that a regular person was enjoying 4K 120Hz gaming on a big TV back in 2017 is pretty far-fetched. I had the C7 and upgraded to the C9 when it came out. It was such an amazing TV. Hell, it still is.
Soodanim
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People may be interested in https://www.wsgf.org/
It started as a site dedicated to the quality of widescreen compatibility in games (showing its age), but has since updated to focus on ultra wide. One of the things they use for measurement is whether a game decreases vertical resolution (vert-) to make it wider or increases horizontal (hor+). Obviously hor+ is what you want in this circumstance.
They also have patches and methods to achieve UW where needed.
Fahdis
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My first was the CX for true 4K 120 Hz but I'm enjoying the smaller 42" C1 more tbqh. And just tried the 21:9 on the TV that's not a monitor. Honestly, its better than I thought. Playing Horizon Zero Dawn on it and god damn. Although I had to turn off Fluid Motion as it turns off HDR. GSync is just required for everything.
Also, yea the first time I played a game as mentioned in 2017 was Forza Horizon 4 with DSR turned on. The game is greatly optimized for PC at that time as well. Almost brought a tear to my eye. So damn good. That's when I became a snob at that very moment and let go of consoles from that day
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DirtInUrEye
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Bollocks disingenuous reply.
That isn't how it works. It doesn't replace any image with back bars. A viewport is variable.
A game played at the same FOV at 16:9 but at 1440p displays the same image as a game at 16:9 at 4k (2160p). The 4k screen just has more pixels to display the same image so can resolve more detail in the image.
A game played at 3440x1440p (21:9) displays the same image vertically and at the same detail level as the 16:9 1440p image (since vertically they are the same) but displays extra image horizontally as the ratio is higher. You are essentially expanding the view horizontally as your ratio increases rather than making the image more detailed due to higher pixel count.
Black bars are not happening. If you take a 4K screen and project a 21:9 1440p image on it you aren't just adding black bars and removing image. You're doing the above.
Fahdis
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DirtInUrEye
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Nah, you know you were being dishonest.
MidGenRefresh
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Another one. Even with every explanation. Eat crow.
His reply maybe wasn't the nicest, but yeah, yours was misleading. Native 4K 120Hz gaming on TVs became available to consumers in 2019 with the introduction of the HDMI 2.1 standard, not back in 2017.
Anyway, good that more and more people can enjoy this now.
Fahdis
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I literally explained how
. How is telling the truth disingenuous? Notice how my first reply was just about FPS not Resolution? Go ahead scroll back. Then I talked about very limited 4K gaming at that resolution at those Hz back in the day after.
MidGenRefresh
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I literally explained how
The whole premise of this thread is to experience 120Hz in 4K on a TV in your living room. So yeah, your post mocking console players (for some reason), like they only discovered this now while you've been doing it since 2017, was disingenuous at best. Even in the PC space, it's only been available since 2019 and realistically useful since 2020 with the introduction of the 3080 and 3090. I know because I was there.
You need to learn how to say "sorry, I was wrong" or "sorry, my words weren't precise enough." It will help you in life. Grow up.
Fahdis
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You folks only wanna read between the lines where I only mentioned FPS where you don't go back and make your own assumptions, clap your hands... not gonna apologize. Good luck. And no doubt consoles suck ass in terms of access to any sort of cutomization. Grow up.
MidGenRefresh
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Because we understand the premise of the thread. You clearly have no idea. Anyway, man. I wish you a good day regardless.
Rocco Schiavone
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Looks like shit compared to my ambilight OLED.
Fahdis
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. Regardless, hope your gaming only gets better from here.
Itchy Tickles
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I replied to your absolute stupid and wrong message in a nice way and now you are acting like a cunt? Ah, you're one of those afraid of knowledge and get offended by learning. No worries, enjoy your safety crayons ya fucking twat. Whoops, "stating the obvious" again. Ah shucks
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MidGenRefresh
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Stating that if you display an image at an aspect ratio that matches your screen, you won't get any black bars is the definition of a "well, no fucking shit" meme. It's like saying water is wet and acting like you just dropped some secret knowledge.
That's not what we were talking about. We were saying that if you force a 21:9 aspect ratio on a regular 16:9 screen, you get the side benefit of improved performance because you're running at a lower resolution and rendering fewer pixels. That was the conversation.
DirtInUrEye
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It's better that you don't apologise at this point mate. Just let your embarrassing misdemeanour here fade away, it'll be forgotten by most in no time.
Fahdis
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No one cares about your opinion. Keeps flaming the fire for no reason. You lack comprehension of technical understanding. Not my issue.
DirtInUrEye
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