LordCBH
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Last week had high heat and humidity down where live (SE US) and going outside was like walking into an oven full of steam. The high humidity just makes everything cling to you and it's dreadful.
More Europeans die from the heat each year than Americans die from guns
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Last week had high heat and humidity down where live (SE US) and going outside was like walking into an oven full of steam. The high humidity just makes everything cling to you and it's dreadful.
Zathalus
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CDC number is only direct deaths, WHO figure is both direct death and indirect deaths (e.g. cardiovascular strain, which could mean someone having a heart attack on a hot day). Estimates for the USA on the latter go over 10k (maybe even higher). CDC is only for the USA, WHO is for 53 countries across both Europe and Asia totalling 930 million people.
IDKFA
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More people are dying from heat related deaths here due to a mix of climate, infrastructure, and demographic factors. It's a complex issue and there isn't an easy fix.
For example, Europe is heating at about twice the global average, particularly in southern and central regions. 2022 and 2023 saw record-breaking heatwaves (some over 45C). The heat spikes we're seeing in June used to come much later in July or August. In June in used to be a cooler.
We also have one of the oldest populations in the world. It's these Old timers who are more vulnerable to heat stroke, dehydration, and cardiac stress in hot weather.
Would more access to AC help? Maybe, but there are serious trade offs. You could build a negative feedback loop where more AC use means more fossil fuel use, causing more warming and then more need for AC. Not to mention the cost. Many people wouldn't be able to afford it.
For example, Europe is heating at about twice the global average, particularly in southern and central regions. 2022 and 2023 saw record-breaking heatwaves (some over 45C). The heat spikes we're seeing in June used to come much later in July or August. In June in used to be a cooler.
We also have one of the oldest populations in the world. It's these Old timers who are more vulnerable to heat stroke, dehydration, and cardiac stress in hot weather.
Would more access to AC help? Maybe, but there are serious trade offs. You could build a negative feedback loop where more AC use means more fossil fuel use, causing more warming and then more need for AC. Not to mention the cost. Many people wouldn't be able to afford it.
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SlimySnake
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Absolute madness. Whats this commie bullshit? Let people install ACs in their house ffs.
delirium trigger
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They take pride in not having access to an almost century old technology.
Window units are bulky and the people dying are the elderly who can't install one nor plan to have one until it's too late. Most people seem to prefer wheeling out a portable unit and sticking the exhaust out the window. We don't really have a huge AC market in the UK or mainland Europe and our windows are all different.
Nobody is stopping them.
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Zathalus
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Its generally not a problem to get it installed, unless you live in a historically important building, or your landlord is prick. There are tighter regulations regarding noise and public facing extraction units, but it is not banned anywhere as far as I know. 41% of houses on sale in Spain last year had an AC installed. The bigger problem is that the housing was designed for an era when it simply didn't spike nearly as high in terms of temperatures.
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Laptop1991
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Seems right to me, i hate the heat more than any other weather, i would rarther have a blizzard, to be fair we don't get the same heat up here in the north of England as even the south where i'm from, last Saturday i had my big water air con fan on and didn't move from the room all day, i'm all over lily white with no tan and that's the way it's staying lol.
Hari Seldon
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Nice of the Euros to take one for the team by living like a 3rd world peasant so we in the US can burn fossil fuels 24/7. Although to be fair our gun deaths would dwarf the Euro heat deaths if we were all miserable from lack of air conditioning.
Cyberpunkd
Banned
1. A/C is not needed because for vast majority in Europe you don't need them for a long time - even with crazy heat we are talking about 2-3 weeks a year tops.
2. Portable A/C machines are not useless, I have one, works great. You just need to buy one for 500€ and not 50€.
3. A/C solutions are not banned, no problem installing them in many places - however yes, in some others there are various laws against them e.g. in Paris the main concern is architectural integrity, A/C units on the facade really make that Haussmannian building ugly
Cyberpunkd
Banned
2003 European heatwave - Wikipedia
Yup. That was one for the history books and majority of people that died were elderly who were unable to take care of themselves and didn't know how to react.
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Bitmap Frogs
Mr. Community
I haven't seen window units in like forever, split units are the ones people install when they get ac.
Pagusas
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I was susprised how many window units I saw when I was in NYC a few months ago. God they make the city even uglier than it already is.
Trilobit
Absolutely Cozy
As a Scandinavian I would never live in South Europe without AC. I visited Sicily some years ago when it was +30°C and nearly melted. And a few weeks before it had been +40°C. I have no idea how people down there live without one. It'd be as stupid as living without heating during wintertime up here.
Avid Reading Horse
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Yeah but they are replacing themselves with heat-resistant "New Europeans" so the problem is already basically solved.
jshackles
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Air conditioning isn't common where I live in the US. But we also rarely see temperatures above 75 degrees Fahrenheit.
I still own a couple of portable window units that I can set up if it starts getting too hot.
I still own a couple of portable window units that I can set up if it starts getting too hot.
Stitch
Member
we don't have your weird windows. we have this, and often larger
my windows are basically like doors. try to fit a AC unit in it.
also if you're renting your landlord will most likely tell you to fuck off.
and then we have insane energy prices because we're trying to save the climate... or something like that.
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Would you all quit with this bullshit excuse please? Even if it's just 2-3 weeks a year aren't you going to use it the next year and the year after that and the year after and the year after that till you die?
1. A/C is not needed because for vast majority in Europe you don't need them for a long time - even with crazy heat we are talking about 2-3 weeks a year tops.
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Connificent
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All these hot ass countries need solar panels. Here in Holland we got too much of them lol
Pagusas
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Im curious what the power bills are like in Europe, I always hear they are insane, but I have no context for what insane is to them.
Like we have a pretty high power bill here in Dallas, at about $350 a month, but the majority of that is our pool using a lot of energy for the pool pump + my wife wants the house at 67 degrees year round. But if it wasn't for those things, energy really isn't that expensive. Like I 3D print, have two 5090 gaming rigs running 24/7 plus alot of other electronics, and they barely make a dent on the power bill if they are on or off.
Edit: just did a bit of research, looks like on average most places in western Europe are 2 to 2.5x's more expensive (35 cents-ish vs 15 centish) than energy than the US (minus places like California/Hawaii), but some places in Europe are very cheap for energy (basically the eastern countries it looks like), with the middle countries hitting more like the US average. Very interesting!
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DKPOWPOW
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Pretty sure if a President in the U.S. tried to ban A/C you would see Civil War.
You guys must have really good weather 90% of the time to not give much of a fuck about this.
150,000 dead every year from heat? What? You don't have malls or shops to chill in with A/C running? Just sacrifice the old and vulnerable to save the planet right?
You guys must have really good weather 90% of the time to not give much of a fuck about this.
150,000 dead every year from heat? What? You don't have malls or shops to chill in with A/C running? Just sacrifice the old and vulnerable to save the planet right?
IntentionalPun
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Absolute badass Americans surviving 100 degree temps when thousands of Europeams die when it gets past 40 degrees. Europe in shambles, USA! uSA! 
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Zathalus
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As pointed out this thread repeatedly, nobody has banned AC and the reported WHO figure includes vast parts of Asia totalling 930 million people. It also lumps indirect heat deaths in the figure as well.Pretty sure if a President in the U.S. tried to ban A/C you would see Civil War.
You guys must have really good weather 90% of the time to not give much of a fuck about this.
150,000 dead every year from heat? What? You don't have malls or shops to chill in with A/C running? Just sacrifice the old and vulnerable to save the planet right?
HeisenbergFX4
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DKPOWPOW
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It said Window A/C's are banned which is normally the #1 A/C used by people on limited income living in cheap areas. You can get one for $200 in the U.S. and it will cool a room no problem.
Instead the solution is? If most landlord or older buildings refuse to install A/C since they are allowed to be greedy cunts.
So just let the poor die from heat?
Reizo Ryuu
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It's not a bs excuse, it's just impractical nothing more to it; also due to how houses are built, it's not really all that hot inside, the scorching is outside.
Zathalus
Member
Window ACs are not banned. I can buy one off Amazon right now. The problem is finding a unit that actually fits most of the window types here. A window AC unit will not fit any place in my house for example. The most popular types are split or portable AC units for that reason. The former has some regulation around facing public property (facing the side or back of your house is fine) and needing to not be loud (which most modern units having no problems with), and the latter you can buy anywhere.It said Window A/C's are banned which is normally the #1 A/C used by people on limited income living in cheap areas. You can get one for $200 in the U.S. and it will cool a room no problem.
Instead the solution is? If most landlord or older buildings refuse to install A/C since they are allowed to be greedy cunts.
So just let the poor die from heat?
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6502
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We can have them but don't bother. If it is hot it is only for a few days, I have an effective portable unit I used for the kids nursery but it ain't worth the hassle of setting up for adults when it can be Dune outside now but bucket it down an hour later.
If we did require them the electric is so fucking expensive it would almost be cheaper to spend the day shopping in a/c shops / pubs.
Plus heat isn't such a burden when you are not obese....
USA keep your guns and your A/C. Not against guns but who wants any of the fucks they meet in daily life having one?
If we did require them the electric is so fucking expensive it would almost be cheaper to spend the day shopping in a/c shops / pubs.
Plus heat isn't such a burden when you are not obese....
USA keep your guns and your A/C. Not against guns but who wants any of the fucks they meet in daily life having one?
Majima Everywhere System
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Guns kill the young, heat gets the old. But, I guess we all need to clean up our own houses.
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It is bs. Would you not use the Air conditioner unit year after year for 10-20 years. Are you going to throw it out at the end of summer?
AJUMP23
Parody of actual AJUMP23
I worked out on a farm in that heat in college. It sucked I lived, I had lots of water. Many days we would end our day floating in the pond named Ol' Blue.
StreetsofBeige
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Do you live in an area of dry heat or humid heat? 33C dry isnt too bad at all. But if it's heavy humidity, 33C is pure death.
Europeans probably won't know how much a 4000 square foot mansion with private pool, $10000 jet engine gaming PC, and central heating-cooling running 24/7/365 to optimal comfort levels costs in energy bills per month…
near
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It's been around 60-70% during the day, and 80-90% during the night. No air con, feels like death. I've struggled to sleep some nights.
HeisenbergFX4
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I grew up on a 400 acre farm and my wife on an 80 acre farm in southern Indiana that we both helped our parents work
People complaining about heat should be in the top of a bran putting up hay on 100 degree days
And yeah same here spent a lot of time in the back waters of the Ohio River cooling off
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HeisenbergFX4
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We always stop at Buc-ees when we drive our Lightning truck on trips as they have such reliable charging stations and massive bathrooms though I hate actually going into those WalMart sized gas stations
I am getting old as well at 58 and the mid section is a constant fight for me as well
Bitmap Frogs
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We always stop at Buc-ees when we drive our Lightning truck on trips as they have such reliable charging stations and massive bathrooms though I hate actually going into those WalMart sized gas stations
I am getting old as well at 58 and the mid section is a constant fight for me as well
Buc-ees are pretty cool. And the Brisket is good. They are clean, and the drink selection is top notch. I saw they have made it to VA now, and Soon Bucees will conquer the north.
Look at what AC brings you dirty Europeans.
StreetsofBeige
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Some things that help in big heat if you got no air con:
- Buy bedding that runs cool. I forget what mine are. Some Calvin Klein smooth and slippery cotton set, so it runs abnormally cooler than a cotton set that warms up. You want to avoid those cheap cotton sets like I bought when I first lived on my own.... that cotton material set which feels like youre lying on sweatpants. That material gets hot
- Get one of these. Got one at work USB plug in power into your laptop. $10
- Buy one of those big tower floor fans for your bedroom. You can get one from Walmart or Costco for probably $40. Numerous settings and it can be set to auto-turning
- Buy bedding that runs cool. I forget what mine are. Some Calvin Klein smooth and slippery cotton set, so it runs abnormally cooler than a cotton set that warms up. You want to avoid those cheap cotton sets like I bought when I first lived on my own.... that cotton material set which feels like youre lying on sweatpants. That material gets hot
- Get one of these. Got one at work USB plug in power into your laptop. $10
- Buy one of those big tower floor fans for your bedroom. You can get one from Walmart or Costco for probably $40. Numerous settings and it can be set to auto-turning
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a multicultural team of v
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Europe, apparently