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[Vicetrailia]

guy the issue isn't widespread enough for it to be a good idea to implement any kind of voter ID law

it's least that's what gaf has been saying for the past year or so

It's not, but there is always a story to tell.

You don't stop hundreds of thousands to millions of people from voting to stop a small number of voter fraud cases RIGHT NOW!

Also, the voting day of would have been foolish for me. I voted on Saturday last week and it felt damned good to just walk in and then walk out. Had I waited for election day like last year I would have been in line for hours after work. Forget that.

 

[Team Filler]

Voting fraud should be investigated more deeply and considered an act of treason

I can get behind this.

 

[Ponn]

Dammit
You should take over my account.
I miss your drummer avatar btw. That was you, wasn't it?

As I get older my fondness for cats and drinking have grown. Plus disabling gifs took some of the fun out of my avatar.

Now stop using weapons of mass distraction! !

 

[cityhunter]

Why do you support it? Why not late voting for the people who forgot?

Seems like most have overlooked this, but what's the difference between "early voting" and "late voting"?

Spoiler

Not a goddamn difference

 

[jb1234]

I can't wait for this election to be over. At this point, I don't even care who wins. No matter who it is, half of the country will be convinced we're all doomed and life will go on.

 

[Freshmaker]

But I thought voter fraud didn't exist? That's what you guys have been saying for years.

Democratic voter fraud doesn't exist.

 

[Ponn]

Seems like most have overlooked this, but what's the difference between "early voting" and "late voting"?

Spoiler

Not a goddamn difference

Are you serious??

Early voting is to help those who can't get out of work, disabled, military, etc. All so the votes can be counted on the appropriate day.

Late voting doesn't do any of that. It only helps procrastinators and holds up the process.

 

[Wuthering_Heights]

Democratic voter fraud doesn't exist.

lol

 

[SonicMegaDrive]

knew it was Republican before I clicked the thread.

 

[FieryBalrog]

Son/Campaign Director of Democratic Congressman Resigns After Advising How to Commit Voter Fraud

Obama Campaign Staffer Caught Helping Activist Vote Twice

Ohhhhhh.

 

[HerbertFish]

knew it was Republican before I clicked the thread.

Probably because it was in the title.

 

[Bulbo Urethral Baggins]

Seems like most have overlooked this, but what's the difference between "early voting" and "late voting"?

Spoiler

Not a goddamn difference

That's right. I'd like to hear the difference and if people support late voting also.

As I get older my fondness for cats and drinking have grown. Plus disabling gifs took some of the fun out of my avatar.

Now stop using weapons of mass distraction! !

Alcohol and pussies. A dangerous combination.

 

[SonicMegaDrive]

Probably because it was in the title.

No, it isn't.

 

[FieryBalrog]

No, it isn't.

But its Democrats who always steal the elections. Damn it.

see my post bro

 

[Moppet13]

No, it isn't.

It was less than a minute ago.

 

[HerbertFish]

No, it isn't.

Was

 

[SonicMegaDrive]

It was less than a minute ago.

Not when I clicked on it.

 

[cityhunter]

Are you serious??

Early voting is to help those who can't get out of work, disabled, military, etc. All so the votes can be counted on the appropriate day.

Late voting doesn't do any of that. It only helps procrastinators and holds up the process.

Nah, I mean in terms of what Bilbo is arguing. He's arguing about early voting, but yet support late voting. The whole argument is that just stretching out the voting process to more than just one day. I'm just saying that early or late, it's still a few days time wise. Of course late voting will hold up the whole process.

I support early voting and more methods that will help people get in to vote. Sorry if I was confusing and didn't make it clear.

That's right. I'd like to hear the difference and if people support late voting also.

See here:

Are you serious??

Early voting is to help those who can't get out of work, disabled, military, etc. All so the votes can be counted on the appropriate day.

Late voting doesn't do any of that. It only helps procrastinators and holds up the process.

Also late voting will make the former due date irrelevant, so the new "late vote" will turn into due date. Thus rendering the whole "late vote" useless.

 

[nib95]

Son/Campaign Director of Democratic Congressman Resigns After Advising How to Commit Voter Fraud

Obama Campaign Staffer Caught Helping Activist Vote Twice

Ohhhhhh.

Interesting post in one of those.

The only known voter fraud is being committed by republicans.

Republicans have ended the voter drives in Nevada, Florida, Colorado, Virginia and North Carolina. Why would they do such a thing? Because the firm they hired, Strategic Allied Consulting, the only company the Republican Party had running registration campaigns in these states, has been rocked by scandal after scandal. This election year, voter suppression law after voter suppression law rolled out, many of which have been struck down as unconstitutional by the courts, all to catch fraud; so far the only fraud that has been proven has been on their side.

Strategic Allied Consulting was accused of fraud during the 2008 campaign. They allegedly paid bonuses for non-Democratic registrations and destroyed hundreds if not thousands of Democratic registrations in Oregon. This leads voters who believed they registered to go to the polls only to find that their registration wasn't completed.

Strategic Allied Consulting was known to be dirty to the Republican National Convention, rocked by scandals long before the RNC recommended them to consult for various state Republican Parties. The firm is headed by the former executive director of the Arizona Republican Party and was the sole company hired for the "Get Out The Vote" effort in many important swing states, leaving the Republican voter drive in dire straights.

When the GOP is implicated in funding fraudulent registrations and has voter fraud committed on it's behalf, it undermines the already transparently-fraudulent witch hunt that it's been on for the past year to find the voter fraud to justify it's voter suppression policies.

 

[Byakuya769]

But I thought voter fraud didn't exist? That's what you guys have been saying for years.

No. People have been saying that it is not a large enough problem to justify voter suppression.

 

[Wuthering_Heights]

Son/Campaign Director of Democratic Congressman Resigns After Advising How to Commit Voter Fraud

Obama Campaign Staffer Caught Helping Activist Vote Twice

Ohhhhhh.

Bullshit man. That first one, he was just humoring the guy for nearly half an hour! He really just wanted to get rid of him, that's all.

And the second video, she was coerced! She had no idea what she was doing, poor girl.

 

[FieryBalrog]

"The only known voter fraud is being committed by republicans."

man, when you really wannna believe in HOPE and CHANGE, you really wanna BELIEVE!

North Carolina Voter Fraud Investigations

 

[entremet]

I can't wait till this is over.

 

[Korey]

guy the issue isn't widespread enough for it to be a good idea to implement any kind of voter ID law

it's least that's what gaf has been saying for the past year or so

The issue isn't that there is no voter fraud anywhere. I wouldn't call this incident of one person out of 312 million "widespread", but of course it'd be better to have safeguards.

The issue is that Republicans are using this supposed problem as misdirection, making a mountain out of a molehill to distract from real problems like disenfranchisement and other forms of voting fraud. And is especially ironic since something like 90% of voting fraud is perpetuated by Republicans.

 

[nib95]

Also interesting.

Nationwide GOP Voter Registration Fraud Scandal Widens, Becomes Criminal Matter in Florida

GOP Quietly Hires Firm Tied to Voter Fraud Scandal for Work in Battleground States

GOP registration worker charged with voter fraud

For me, the singular cases are infinitely less worrying that the base camp methods. I.e, voter suppression and hiring of unscrupulous firms by the GOP itself.

 

[FieryBalrog]

And is especially ironic since something like 90% of voting fraud is perpetuated by Republicans.

Actually, 90% of voter fraud is perpetuated by Democrats wearing Richard Nixon masks. So really, 100% of voter fraud is by Democrats.

 

[Wuthering_Heights]

"The only known voter fraud is being committed by republicans."

man, when you really wannna believe in HOPE and CHANGE, you really wanna BELIEVE!

North Carolina Voter Fraud Investigations

Why do you support the disenfranchisement of dead people and illegals?

They deserve to vote (for Democratic candidates), too.

 

[DietRob]

I can't wait till this is over.

Three more days, just three more days. My house is going to be so quiet with the phone not ringing 15 times a day from pollsters.

 

[Enosh]

And is especially ironic since something like 90% of voting fraud is perpetuated by Republicans.

I'd like to see a link to that statistic please

 

[HerbertFish]

"The only known voter fraud is being committed by republicans."

man, when you really wannna believe in HOPE and CHANGE, you really wanna BELIEVE!

North Carolina Voter Fraud Investigations

Holy shit the first four minutes I watched of that is hysterical.

 

[Nevasleep]

I find it almost funny how much some people 'get into it'.
Like those crazy US talk radio hosts.

I wonder what her job is at the casino? wouldn't be surprised if it's just hourly.

 

[ComputerMKII]

If anything, all that rage and hate against Romney only makes me want to vote for him (assuming I could). Not really, but almost.

 

[nib95]

If anything, all that rage and hate against Romney only makes me want to vote for him (assuming I could).

Lol. Shocking.

 

[FieryBalrog]

For me, the singular cases are infinitely less worrying that the base camp methods. I.e, voter suppression and hiring of unscrupulous firms by the GOP itself.

Yeah, it's so worrying when the GOP does this. It's not a big deal when the Democrats do it though.

http://www.courierpress.com/news/2012/apr/03/ex-democratic-official-among-four-charged-indiana/

After all, it's only a "singular case"

 

[WAR recon zero]

i still think Bush stole one of the elections

 

[Wuthering_Heights]

i still think Bush stole one of the elections

Bush is a Prime Evil. That's not even the worst of what he's done.

If anything, all that rage and hate against Romney only makes me want to vote for him (assuming I could). Not really, but almost.

Even knowing that Obama will win on Tuesday, it makes me a little sad that we won't be able to experience the inevitable Chris Matthews and LiberalGAF meltdowns that would result from a Romney victory.

 

[Red]

i still think Bush stole one of the elections

I think it's really depressing to think our system is so broken we run the risk of an illegitimate presidency. We are basically saying "our democracy has failed."

 

[Kettch]

The issue isn't that there is no voter fraud anywhere. I wouldn't call this incident of one person out of 312 million "widespread", but of course it'd be better to have safeguards.

The issue is that Republicans are using this supposed problem as misdirection, making a mountain out of a molehill to distract from real problems like disenfranchisement and other forms of voting fraud. And is especially ironic since something like 90% of voting fraud is perpetuated by Republicans.

Yes, once again, the argument against Voter ID laws is that voter fraud is negligible (rather than non-existent) and that those laws would do nothing to prevent the types of voter fraud that exist.

For the two stories in the OP, a woman attempted to vote twice as herself, requiring an ID would do nothing to stop that. And a poll worker attempted to fill in votes on other people's ballots, a ID would obviously do nothing to stop that.

 

[kittenbreath]

That's easy to say. It's easy for the other side to say the same.

actually as a lib dem, i can agree with this. people need to keep in mind that, when all is said and done, both obama and romney will receive anywhere between 50-60+ million votes. it simply won't be possible to steal enough votes to significantly sway things at the national level.

of course, you could make the claim that fraud could sway the election if it comes down to an extremely close state (like florida in 2000, where bush was declared winner by 537 votes) but even then it becomes hard to imagine how such a result could be gamed - any large scale irregularities would be immediately obvious (there are countless political scientists who can literally throw a dart at a map of the US and tell you the voting history of the precinct it lands on), and a few bad apples acting on their own without organization aren't going to sway things.

if you take anything away from these two articles, it's that in person voter fraud is rare and the system is actually very good at ferreting out these people. the real threat to fair elections is voter supression. it is much easier to sway results by ensuring that a vote is never cast, rather than by stuffing the ballot box. that's what the battle over voter id laws is really about.

 

[Red]

Good point on suppression, kittenbreath. I agree.

 

[Deified Data]

Democratic voter fraud doesn't exist.

This narrow view is certainly wrong. Can we skip the hyperbolic language here and just say that Democratic voter fraud is negligible as opposed to non-existent? I hate the mostly unchallenged belief that "our side" is somehow incorruptible and pure as the driven snow. It doesn't happen often enough to warrant the outrageous accusations leveled by GOP lawmakers, but to say it is completely non-existent is just begging to be proven wrong by someone who does more than an hour of hard searching. A single anecdote is really all it takes for your statement to come across as foolish.

Try "Democratic voter fraud doesn't exist at high enough levels to warrant Draconian voter ID laws", or "Systematic Democratic voter fraud doesn't exist".

 

[Rentahamster]

If you guys are looking for examples of voter fraud and voter registration fraud on both sides, just look at my previous thread. I already listed plenty of examples.

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=496969

 

[Red]

I early voted a couple of days ago and noticed most people were not being asked for ID. Is that normal? Out of maybe eight clerks only one was checking.

 

[Rentahamster]

I early voted a couple of days ago and noticed most people were not being asked for ID. Is that normal? Out of maybe eight clerks only one was checking.

Depends on what the laws are in your state.