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MPs submit Corbyn no confidence motion(UK)

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Beefy

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Two Labour MPs have submitted a motion of no confidence in Labour leader Jeremy Corbyn.

Margaret Hodge and Ann Coffey confirmed the move in a letter to the chairman of the Parliamentary Labour Party.

The motion has no formal constitutional force but calls for a discussion at their next PLP meeting on Monday.

If accepted it would be followed by a secret ballot of Labour MPs on Tuesday.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politi...ng&ns_source=twitter&ns_linkname=news_central
 
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Trick_GSF

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Seems like a good dude at heart. Probably unelectable in the England we live in today. More so if there is an election in the next few months.
 
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dalin80

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He is utterly unelectable so it's no surprise, pull yourself together labour otherwise the tories are going to get three in a row!
 
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GeeTeeCee

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To be honest if Corbyn goes I don't see the point of supporting Labour anymore. Half the inevitable leadership candidates are pseudo-Tories who will do or say anything for that sweet, sweet taste of power.
 
cyberheater

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Time to go Corbyn. The worse labour leader I can remember in living memory.
 
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tomtom94

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He has a lot of good ideas, but he is the wrong man to put them into practice.

If some of his platform survives to the next leader, that will be something.
 
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Kathian

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He's part of a group of Labour supporters who care more about how something sounds and looks than what the people they claim to be supporting actually need.
 
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Ghost

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The one silver lining of this vote for me is that with immigration effectively made a non-issue, Labour finally have a chance to re-engage with post-industrial communities who simply haven't bought any labour line on immigration for the last 15 years, and outside of that massive issue, those people agree with Labour policies on pretty much everything else.


I don't think Corbyn has led well but I think he stands at the right point in the spectrum for what the country needs, so if they want him out to get someone who can make an actual media impact in then OK, but if all they have to replace him is more Tory-lite then they are just throwing away any chance they have of getting back what they've lost.
 
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CCS

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If I could choose a replacement, I'd pick Dan Jarvis. Excellent politician, electable, and better policies than most of the alternatives.
 
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nelsonroyale

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I would rather they cancel Labour. Who do they represent? What do they stand for? I have no fucking clue. The party piling on Corbyn has been part of their race to irrelevancy. They misunderstand the roots of people's disaffection with the party, and play into the populism of tabloid sludge. Watch Corbyn go, they will still get decimated here in Scotland and rightly so.

Kathland: Pray tell what people actually need? Which people, what need?
 
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kiyomi

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One of the only decent politicians in Westminster and nobody wants to vote for him, yet people constantly cry about how there's a lack of honest MPs. Well, here's one, and they don't want him.

I'm a fan of his and would love to see him given more support but it seems like the party is just not behind him. Labour is a mess.
 
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Maledict

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Greddleok said:
Corbyn is the best thing about Labour. Without him I might as well vote Tory.
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If you think there is no difference between the labour governments of 1997 through to 2010, and the conservative governments we have had over the last 6 years, then I don't know what to tell you. In every single respect you are factually incorrect and objectively wrong.
 
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hidys

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I haven't followed UK politics particularly closely but how much campaigning did Corbyn do for this referendum?

It seems like there is a pretty strong case to make that the Brexit result reflects poorly on his leadership as well as Cameron's.
 
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CCS

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hidys said:
I haven't followed UK politics particularly closely but how much campaigning did Corbyn do for this referendum?

It seems like there is a pretty strong case to make that the Brexit result reflects poorly on his leadership as well as Cameron's.
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Very little, Sadiq Khan did far more for Labour than he did.
 
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Maledict

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hidys said:
I haven't followed UK politics particularly closely but how much campaigning did Corbyn do for this referendum?

It seems like there is a pretty strong case to make that the Brexit result reflects poorly on his leadership as well as Cameron's.
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Fuck all. The only reason he campaigned to stay in at all was because the parliamentary party and London labour are so strongly in favour. He voted out last time we had a referendum.

A week ago 40% of labour voters didn't know what the labour parties stance was on the referendum. every speech started with a list of faults of the EU. He said he rated it a 7/10 - no-one chooses a 7/10!

Plus, on a simple organisational level, regional and local labour offices were hugely let down - Labour simply didn't activate it's party mechanisms to persuade people and get out the vote. Everything had to be done either off the hook through a local rep, or through the trade unions. the formal party machinery was absolutely held back by Corbyn.

If Sadik Khan hadn't resigned his seat he would be the next labour leader.
 
cyberheater

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hidys said:
I haven't followed UK politics particularly closely but how much campaigning did Corbyn do for this referendum?

It seems like there is a pretty strong case to make that the Brexit result reflects poorly on his leadership as well as Cameron's.
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I didn't see any campaigning from Corbyn. He seemed to keep a very low profile throughout the whole thing which is why the no confidence vote.
 
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hidys

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CCS said:
Very little, Sadiq Khan did far more for Labour than he did.
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Maledict said:
Fuck all. The only reason he campaigned to stay in at all was because the parliamentary party and London labour are so strongly in favour. He voted out last time we had a referendum.

A week ago 40% of labour voters didn't know what the labour parties stance was on the referendum. every speech started with a list of faults of the EU. He said he rated it a 7/10 - no-one chooses a 7/10!

Plus, on a simple organisational level, regional and local labour offices were hugely let down - Labour simply didn't activate it's party mechanisms to persuade people and get out the vote. Everything had to be done either off the hook through a local rep, or through the trade unions. the formal party machinery was absolutely held back by Corbyn.

If Sadik Khan hadn't resigned his seat he would be the next labour leader.
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Thanks. So would anyone goes as far as to say that if Labour had picked another leader would Brexit have happened at all?

Because if the answer is yes then it would be inexcusable to keep him on as leader of the Labour Party.
 
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kiyomi said:
One of the only decent politicians in Westminster and nobody wants to vote for him, yet people constantly cry about how there's a lack of honest MPs. Well, here's one, and they don't want him.

I'm a fan of his and would love to see him given more support but it seems like the party is just not behind him. Labour is a mess.
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Pretty much my feelings on the subject. To be fair though, he hasn't really helped himself.

Hopefully, he has had enough of an impact to spur on someone with similar old-school Labour ideals, rather than another shitty Blairite.
 
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CCS

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hidys said:
Thanks. So would anyone goes as far as to say that if Labour had've picked another leader would Brexit have happened at all?

Because if the answer is yes then it would be inexcusable to keep him on as leader of the Labour Party.
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Yep. I would argue that Burnham and probably Cooper too could have kept Britain in the EU.
 
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Jackpot

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kiyomi said:
One of the only decent politicians in Westminster and nobody wants to vote for him, yet people constantly cry about how there's a lack of honest MPs. Well, here's one, and they don't want him.

I'm a fan of his and would love to see him given more support but it seems like the party is just not behind him. Labour is a mess.
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There's a difference between being honest and having no leadership qualities. Maybe he'd do fine as a policy advisor but a leader needs to be able to rally people behind him.
 
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Red Liquorice

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I hate that Corbyn will be a casuality of all this, he was the only politician in the two main parties that vaguely sparked my interest and respect for, well, maybe ever?
 
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Yep. I would argue that Burnham and probably Cooper too could have kept Britain in the EU.
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I'm not actually convinced by this. Cooper at least was seen as Liberal Metropolitan elite, even more so than Corbyn. Given the problem here is working class voters, I'm not sure that would have solved the problem. Johnson, maybe, but he didn't run.
 
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Coriolanus

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Jackpot said:
There's a difference between being honest and having no leadership qualities. Maybe he'd do fine as a policy advisor but a leader needs to be able to rally people behind him.
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And that's how he got the seat in the first place.

So until someone less incompetent at it than him decides to run...
 
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CCS

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Crab said:
I'm not actually convinced by this. Cooper at least was seen as Liberal Metropolitan elite, even more so than Corbyn. Given the problem here is working class voters, I'm not sure that would have solved the problem. Johnson, maybe, but he didn't run.
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Do you disagree with Burnham?

On Cooper, that's true, but I would trust her to at least run a competent campaign. Would that have made the difference? Difficult to say.
 
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Izuna

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He is largely at fault for this and part of me believes he deliberately didn't act strong enough to stop it.

Never liked him one bit.
 
PJV3

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It's no good moving to grab a million soft Tory voters if you lose 2 million labour ones.

The party needs to calm down, the political map is still exploding.
 
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RetroDLC

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I've seen a statistic thrown about that 70% of Labour members voted to remain. The papers and media with a right wing bias didn't cover his campaigning for the movement, and though he is at fault for not getting a better remain vote, he is not bad by any means. Legacy MPs from New Labour hate him, so this would have happened regardless. I will only ever vote for Labour in the next general election if Corbyn is the leader, as will many others who voted him in (though I'm not a party supporter myself).
 
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Izuna

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I fucking live with a Labour voter who voting leave. Because "being English should have more privilege"... Not realising that a worded economy means less privilege.
 
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ShemhazaiX

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hidys said:
Thanks. So would anyone goes as far as to say that if Labour had picked another leader would Brexit have happened at all?

Because if the answer is yes then it would be inexcusable to keep him on as leader of the Labour Party.
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It wouldn't have made a difference. Most of the campaigning was done by the Tories who did a lot of damage to the Remain campaign by trying to win it like they won Scotland. The majority of Labour voters voted to Remain. He wasn't going to be changing the minds of any one else.
 
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Goodlife

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Cobalt Izuna said:
He is largely at fault for this and part of me believes he deliberately didn't act strong enough to stop it.

Never liked him one bit.
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The fuck?
He wasn't the leader who was so weak he felt the need to call this referendum.
He wasn't the leader who'd be screwing the working class for the previous 6 or so years.

This is firmly on Cameron. It's his legacy
 
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CCS said:
Do you disagree with Burnham?

On Cooper, that's true, but I would trust her to at least run a competent campaign. Would that have made the difference? Difficult to say.
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Burnham might have, but unlike you I voted Burnham. :p
 
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noshten

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So Cameron is resigning and Labor is voting their leader out via a "secret vote"

I'm sure this will work out for them
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