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MPs submit Corbyn no confidence motion(UK)
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PJV3
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It's amazing the effort labour people go to defend a conservative PM and government.
If they do kick him out though, he goes straight back on the ballot paper for next time (that's the rules) and it's highly likely he'll just walk straight back in.
BriareosGAF
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Burnham might have, but unlike you I voted Burnham.
Oh screw
No one's defending Cameron. What people are angry about is that the referendum was lost in the Labour heartlands and that Corbyn put in an incredibly half-arsed and useless campaign.
Like who
HazySaiyan
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He needs to go. I liked the guy (still do) but he has been completely feckless this whole campaign. Now more than ever Labour need a strong leader.
Dan Jarvis.
Coriolanus
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Right.
Let us walk through this.
The referendum was lost on labour heartlands. Any not-Corb leader labour could get now would most likely have a strong stance for stay. The labour heartlands, as you put it, voted for leave.
What, pray tell, do you think would happen?
sure, coulda woulda shoulda. Alas, that is no longer on the table. You work with the hand you're dealt. Pragmatism, ho!
He have been lethargic at best, pathetic at worse in how he handled himself in many political stance over the months. For all the fault Tories have, they at least passed down their ideologies with believe and confidence while Corbyn have merely been reactionary ( and a tame one for that matter) to anything Cameron say, and does not have a ounce of self-esteem.
Unless Miyamoto is announcing his plan to run for Labour leader, I don't see how this is relevant.
A competent campaign would have made a huge difference. As of three weeks before the election, 46% of Labour voters did not know the party's position. Any leader running the same platform but with a more competent and more vocal campaign could have made a big difference.
If Corbyn goes without consulting the party members who voted him in it's very unlikely that I'll be voting Labour for a good while.
Nice guys always finish last....in elections apparently.
Nice guys always finish last....in elections apparently.
Hot Coldman
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I'd be a lot happier with this if there was a clear replacement in mind.
So much for press freedom. That's what you get, Brits!
Miyamoto new Labour leader confirmed.
Yeah, I like the guy but he won't win an election and it's now more important than ever to get the tories out.
He'd flip a goddamned tea table and Brexit would have ended right there.
Mr. Pointy
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He's going to be looking for a blue ocean of new voters.
paradox121
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It's interesting how much Corbyn and Bernie Sanders have in common.
Two older liberals who seemed like they could provide a breath of fresh air in their parties, but ended up not pulling it off at all and just stuck around way past their usefulness. And now should probably piss off.
Two older liberals who seemed like they could provide a breath of fresh air in their parties, but ended up not pulling it off at all and just stuck around way past their usefulness. And now should probably piss off.
Coriolanus
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Any leader running with a more competent and more vocal campaign could've stopped corbs from getting the job. Labour has no such leaders.
Thus, the current scenario. How would a leader that's strongly for stay fare will all those labour voters that went in exactly the opposite direction?
CyclopsRock
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They have absolutely no way of knowing that, really. As late as polls-closing last night the polls had a safe "Remain" victory, and there's no record of who voted for what so any sort of "this age group did that" and "this party voted like this" statement is several extrapolations away from actual data. That's not to say it's incorrect, but I wouldn't have too much faith in it right now.
I think better, because immigration is now completely off the table as an issue, whilst Britain negotiates its exit from the EU.
Also, FWIW, I think Burnham probably could have run a good enough campaign. After all, Labour membership does not represent everyone who votes Labour.
https://twitter.com/paulwaugh/status/746393959077904384
I'm not voting for Labour again until he goes, how's that for unity you bungler.
So I get why people might find Corbyn uncharismatic, maybe even disagree with his views on military spending, but I seriously don't get the weird hate flung towards him. He's the first time Labour has swung even slightly left in a decade.
Do that many people here read The Sun? Do people actually think he hates England?
I didn't realize this was a thread about Gordon Brown and Tony Blair
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Yes. I was saying this to folks today. The wheels starting to fall off for Labour when the unions made the massively stupid mistake of backing Ed over David.
So in reality. The reason why we are leaving the EU is due to the decisions of stupid union leaders back in 2010.
Iraq war? Brown?
David would have been written off as Blair Jr in 5 minutes flat, in fact he already was before the leadership contest was over.
Gabriel_Logan
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Finally news I care about!
whyamihere
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If you're going to try to push your party to the left, you have to actually package your policies and persona in a way that is electable. And, you know, not do what he did with the Remain campaign.
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He still would have been much better then Ed.
Rachel Reeves
He made an honest case for remaining, unlike the tories, who basically went fearmongering against their own creation.
He wasn't interested in the nomination last year.
Had to Google her and still don't really know anything about her positions on anything. Seems she's pretty right leaning though, so I mean, why bother? People aren't going to vote for Tory-lite, don't know why people think Labour should keep trying this losing strategy.
It's a shame Dennis Skinner's in his 80s, he's left leaning, looks like the antithesis of a Conservative MP, got some good publicity lately and he was a brexiter... which listening to the cynical part of my brain could be a good idea for the next party leader.
In the interest of fairness, the Yougov stats on votes per party (remain / leave):
CON: 43/57
LAB: 69/31
LDEM: 73/27
UKIP: 7/93
The narrative that Labour somehow caused Brexit seems really fishy to me and stinks of the right wing media trying to mend some fences in the conservative party. The is fact that the Conservative government and their media partners have spent 6 years demonising immigrants to cover the effects of austerity, then turned round with 5 weeks to go and consumed every media cycle with their infighting, ending up with less than half their vote out to support their leaders choice.
Also the MP who submitted this motion is the representative for Barking and Dagenham which voted 62/38 with a low (63%) turnout, among the worst performance of any Labour MP.
CON: 43/57
LAB: 69/31
LDEM: 73/27
UKIP: 7/93
The narrative that Labour somehow caused Brexit seems really fishy to me and stinks of the right wing media trying to mend some fences in the conservative party. The is fact that the Conservative government and their media partners have spent 6 years demonising immigrants to cover the effects of austerity, then turned round with 5 weeks to go and consumed every media cycle with their infighting, ending up with less than half their vote out to support their leaders choice.
Also the MP who submitted this motion is the representative for Barking and Dagenham which voted 62/38 with a low (63%) turnout, among the worst performance of any Labour MP.
IdreamofHIME
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He was the wrong choice from day one. A better man would have taken to the stage at the confrence and thanked all those who supported him and voted, but then declined the job.
That action alone would have caused more shock waves than anything he's done in the year since...
He was voted in by protesters trying to shit on the establishment, but he's been a Euro sceptic all his days...to think he was gonna put his full efforts into this stay campaign was foolishness. The irony being those protesters who got him in, are angry today because they voted remain yesterday.
..at least Balls got booted last election, so chance of him being leader....yet.
That action alone would have caused more shock waves than anything he's done in the year since...
He was voted in by protesters trying to shit on the establishment, but he's been a Euro sceptic all his days...to think he was gonna put his full efforts into this stay campaign was foolishness. The irony being those protesters who got him in, are angry today because they voted remain yesterday.
..at least Balls got booted last election, so chance of him being leader....yet.
SirRattleBalls
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Chuka Umunna would be great as the next leader of labour and im sure he would have the young vote aswell.
Little Old Man
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What are the relative numbers of voters though?
I'm in labour heartlands, and it was a solid leave vote for miles around.
Stumpokapow
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On the one hand, Corbyn did not perform well in the Brexit referendum and I don't think he's been a particularly good leader.
On the other hand, the knives have been out for him since day one and Coffey has never liked him, so this sorta seems opportunistic on the part of Coffey and others. The reality is that this is a pretence for them to toss out a leader they've been trying to toss out since the day he was elected leader.
I think the attempts of Labour elites to push Corbyn out have a self-fulfilling prophecy quality as well. Anyone who spends their entire leadership being called ineffectual is going to appear ineffectual.
On the other hand, the knives have been out for him since day one and Coffey has never liked him, so this sorta seems opportunistic on the part of Coffey and others. The reality is that this is a pretence for them to toss out a leader they've been trying to toss out since the day he was elected leader.
I think the attempts of Labour elites to push Corbyn out have a self-fulfilling prophecy quality as well. Anyone who spends their entire leadership being called ineffectual is going to appear ineffectual.
He's sat on the fence this entire referendum he isn't a leader.
See this is my real issue.
Cameron is a cunt but was everywhere
Boris is a cunt but was everywhere
Farage is a mega cunt but was everywhere
Corbyn hummed and hawed and hawed and hid as much as he could while half arsing the rest.
OTOH I don't think there is anyone within the labour ranks that could mount a serious challenge in a GE.
Just another coup attempt by the rightwing Liberals. He should purge them already.
There was no way he could properly campaign for an union that is actually going against Social Democratic ideals. People don't understand that the EU was hard to defend because the only reason you'd want to stay in is to change it and everybody knows that will be a long, long battle.
Edit: And like others said the numbers are not bad at all. Just anti Corbyn propaganda doing it's work and seemingly intelligent people falling in the trap.
There was no way he could properly campaign for an union that is actually going against Social Democratic ideals. People don't understand that the EU was hard to defend because the only reason you'd want to stay in is to change it and everybody knows that will be a long, long battle.
Edit: And like others said the numbers are not bad at all. Just anti Corbyn propaganda doing it's work and seemingly intelligent people falling in the trap.
No. Just no. It's amazing how people literally copy media dogma, not much different from how populism on the right works.
lol wut
leaving the EU does not make immigration a non-issue, in fact it probably makes it worse. immigration will be a problem for every developed country as long as the rest of the world exists, or until we manage to build a post-scarcity utopia.
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