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[Dabanton]

Rachel Reeves

Quite frankly there is nobody who would be a good choice. Dan Jarvis sensibly declined last time doubt he want what would be a poison chalice.

Corbyn is doing fine. The metropolitan press desperately wants a blairite minded drone back in charge so they can go back to both sides being light mirror images of themselves.

 

[Billy_Pilgrim]

The working classes are deserting labour in their droves to vote to give the far right a mandate to radically rechange the constitution of the country.

Corbyn has presided over this. 2 out of 3 Labour councils voted to leave. It is an absolute disgrace to the name of the party, and a betrayal of working class people across britain.

We are the ones who are allowing this to happen. A strong labour party and this would never have happened in a million years.

The Leadership is entirely disconnected from the normal people of northern britain, and increasingly in wales. All of the things that Corbyn's supporters like about him, the voters on the doorstep detest about him. I know this first hand. I've knocked on doors. I've campaigned. I've heard the abuse directed at him.

He has lost control of everything except a sycophantic, middle class, alien party membership. He quite simply has to resign, and if that means taking those members with him then it's a price worth paying. This country needs a strong labour party if we're going to avoid a drift into a century of right wing politics.

 

[Condom]

Strong Labour like what? It's inevitable to be rightwing Labour again. Tory-light, enjoy.

 

[OverBlood 3]

Instead of blaming Corbyn people should look at this

http://www.theguardian.com/politics...n-campaign-say-they-were-hobbled-by-number-10

The guy did the right thing in making his own case.

 

[Billy_Pilgrim]

Instead of blaming Corbyn people should look at this

http://www.theguardian.com/politics...n-campaign-say-they-were-hobbled-by-number-10

The guy did the right thing in making his own case.

Why are you so deaf to the electorate? After something a significant and clear as this? Who are you representing? Because it isn't them and they know it.

A strong labour party doesn't need to be right wing. It needs to appeal to the working class, that's who labour is for.

You're staring down the barrel of Tory/UKIP hegemony. It won't be us who end up Tory lite, it'll be UKIP, and they'll take the votes as demonstrated clearly in this referendum.

 

[brain_stew]

Strong Labour like what? It's inevitable to be rightwing Labour again. Tory-light, enjoy.

How about a leader that can identify with the traditional working class Labour vote in the north and Wales? Not some aloof middle class idealist who has no understanding of what is happening to the traditional core Labour vote.

Make no mistake, Labour are on course to lose all of their heartlands to UKIP with their current trajectory.

 

[Toxi]

Strong Labour like what? It's inevitable to be rightwing Labour again. Tory-light, enjoy.

When the majority of people in your country are rightwing, that's what your parties will be.

 

[Billy_Pilgrim]

How about a leader that can identify with the traditional working class Labour vote in the north and Wales? Not some aloof middle class idealist who has no understanding of what is happening to the traditional core Labour vote.

Make no mistake, Labour are on course to lose all of their heartlands to UKIP with their current trajectory.

It has never occured to these people that the 'tory light' are their friends and neighbours.

 

[Condom]

How about a leader that can identify with the traditional working class Labour vote in the north and Wales? Not some aloof middle class idealist who has no understanding of what is happening to the traditional core Labour vote.

Make no mistake, Labour are on course to lose all of their heartlands to UKIP with their current trajectory.

If Corbyn gets ousted than the only option will be another Blair type. They do everything to make him fail. Ousting him will do nothing but handing over the power to the right. You ain't getting a working class hero.
This is how party politics is, it's fucking disgusting trust me because I know from experience how it is.

 

[aeolist]

How about a leader that can identify with the traditional working class Labour vote in the north and Wales? Not some aloof middle class idealist who has no understanding of what is happening to the traditional core Labour vote.

Make no mistake, Labour are on course to lose all of their heartlands to UKIP with their current trajectory.

if those voters are so heavily buying into the lie that their problems are being caused by immigration how do you expect the left wing to get them back without resorting to open racism and xenophobia?

 

[Billy_Pilgrim]

if those voters are so heavily buying into the lie that their problems are being caused by immigration how do you expect the left wing to get them back without resorting to open racism and xenophobia?

A strong message, a leader that doesn't look like he's just walked off an allotment, someone who isn't obsessed with middle class Islington issues, someone who will listen to them, someone who will argue their case in enemy territory, someone who isn't surrounded by politico wonks from fringe socialist revolutionary parties.

 

[brain_stew]

If Corbyn gets ousted than the only option will be another Blair type. They do everything to make him fail. Ousting him will do nothing but handing over the power to the right. You ain't getting a working class hero.
This is how party politics is, it's fucking disgusting trust me because I know from experience how it is.

Labour aren't my party but if there really isn't any better talent then Corbyn to lead them then they're even more fucked then I thought.

They need to go whole hog to convince Dan Jarvis to run as someone who can connect with the traditional working class heartlands, while appealing to middle England like Blair did so well.

I must ask, where do you live? Perhaps if you're not from somewhere like the north east like me you don't quite realise the magnitude of the storm brewing. You leave Corbyn in charge of the show and next election 90% of the north east and Wales goes purple at the next general election. The SNP's GE result and this Brexit vote have shown that this sort of swing and shakeup can happen now.

 

[Billy_Pilgrim]

Labour aren't my party but if there really isn't any better talent then Corbyn to lead them then they're even more fucked then I thought.

They need to go whole hog to convince Dan Jarvis to run as someone who can connect with the traditional working class heartlands, while appealing to middle England like Blair did so well.

I must ask, where do you live? Perhaps if you're not from somewhere like the north east like me you don't quite realise the magnitude of the storm brewing. You leave Corbyn in charge of the show and next election 90% of the north east and Wales goes purple at the next general election. The SNP's GE result and this Brexit vote have shown that this sort of swing and shakeup can happen now.

Whereabouts in the North East are you?

Durham is turning into firm UKIP territory unless something drastic changes.

 

[sphagnum]

As someone from outside the UK and unfamiliar with what Labor has been doing recently, what is it about Corbyn that makes him disconnected from the party's voter base? What positions has be taken or not taken that have caused such a level of distrust?

 

[brain_stew]

Whereabouts in the North East are you?

Durham is turning into firm UKIP territory unless something drastic changes.

I work in Sunderland and live in North East Durham (Murton/Seaham). UKIP aren't going anywhere with Corbyn running the Labour party. He could not possibly be more detached from this part of the world.

It isn't just the older generations either. Plenty of support for Leave/UKIP from the under 30s.