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[BruceLeeRoy]

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oh that burns doesn't it?!

:lol :lol I seriously laughed and then a tear just came rolling down my cheek.

 

[Brandon F]

Banjo 3 =

 

[Quazar]

When does the actual press event start?

I'm confused as well. I just want to know if this is it for today or not.

 

[duckroll]

In all honesty, I personally figured a "platformer" had evolved into a lot more than that in the transition to 3D. I mean, according to that, is Mario 64 a platformer?

Yes it is. Have you played it? There's lots of jumping, and platforming (where you navigate platforms) and so on. Zelda is not a platformer, it is an adventure game. I believe Banjo 3 would fit well in the adventure genre.

 

[Firewire]

Not for this.

But maybe for this

And I thought maybe it was a nice tribute to Mario or something! :lol

 

[BuddyC]

I'm confused as well. I just want to know if this is it for today or not.

Luncheon begins at 1 PM PDT.

 

[Emiru]

In all honesty, I personally figured a "platformer" had evolved into a lot more than that in the transition to 3D. I mean, according to that, is Mario 64 a platformer?

Oh snap!:lol

 

[Kintaro]

I meant comparing Dennis Dyack with Hideo Kojima. In fact, the way each handled PR is the perfect example of the difference. Kojima doesn't offend people and promise things way beyond what he delivers. All Dyack does is overtalk his games, every single one of them. They never deliver on the scale he talks about and their trailers and screens are always weak. He handles criticism like a baby too, always whining about it and claiming that everyone will be "proven wrong". No one is ever proven wrong.

Here's a new Dyack gem from the video CD at Gamestop.

When asked about the amount of cutscenes in the game (in which he answered "more than a motion picture"), he then dropped this one; "Too Human has more content that any other video game released in recent history."

 

[jacobs34]

When does the actual press event start?

Are they having a press conference? I don't think they ever mentioned that they were going to have one. I think it is more of an event for the press to see their games before the E3 Clusterfuck.

 

[Grecco]

In all honesty, I personally figured a "platformer" had evolved into a lot more than that in the transition to 3D. I mean, according to that, is Mario 64 a platformer?

Yeah. Pretty much.

 

[BenjaminBirdie]

Do you really think that after Microsoft gave Rare the ability to create Viva Pinata, and then watched it flop (and I don't need to hear "BU-BU-BUT IT SOLD 1 MILLION" that was after multiple, multiple price drops) they'd let them do it all over again? I mean sure the Viva Pinata brand is still kicking, which is nice, but let us not forget Microsoft did invest a shit ton into it and would be a waste to just give up now. Even Rare says they've made the sequel more easily accessible in hopes to bring more people in.

What I'm really trying to get at is I'm sure they did want to reinvent the game, but not in such a drastic way as this. Look at games like Mario Galaxy, it's completely new and changed the formula from its predecessors but there is absolutely no denying it sticks to the core roots of its previous 3D games. If I couldn't see the actual characters of Banjo-Kazooie within these screens/video I wouldn't guess that it would even be from the same franchise.

Had Rare stuck with its cute and cheeky self like it was on the N64 do you really think a good amount of people on the Xbox 360 userbase would even consider buying it? Fuck no. It had to have a facelift, it had to have a change in gameplay style (with a focus on action) in order for anyone to look at it.

If this opinion ever came in contact with an opinion of mine, the world would be sucked into a negative dimension, so diametrically opposed it is to my thinking on this game, so completely made of Anti-Matter to its Matter.

 

[Rad Agast]

So Too Human is a 2 player online only co-op? That sucks massive hairy balls. I don't buy the "too hectic" pr crap either. Just admit that you couldn't get it to run at decent frame rate and be done with it SK. I was actually interested in this game for the offline co-op but that's not in anymore.

Banjo still looks interesting so I'll be waiting for a demo to see what that's all about. VP2 is a day 1 buy for me.

I might have missed it but any news on Lips, that ninja game and whatever else they showed at the show?

Oh yeah, is Gears 2 confirmed for having System Link co-op this time or what? I can't imagine it being that hard to add that to the fucking game. I'm actually surprised not many games support this feature when they already have online play running. It's retarded to have to log-in to Live so I can play with another guy in the same room/house.

 

[BlueSummers]

Everything looks great so far. Somewhat dissapointed in the lack of local co-op in TH, but it wont stop me from purchasing it. Banjo looks SO fun and VP2 will make me go buy a vision cam. LOVE Rare right now.

 

[luffeN]

did anyone else get this from amazon.co.uk?

Dear Amazon.co.uk Customer,
Ninja Gaiden 2 releases Friday, May 16th, 2008, at Amazon.co.uk. You've looked at it or bought other similar games for Xbox 360 in the past.

ninja gaiden 2 this friday ??

 

[Dama]

ign says BK has "some" platforming. WTF

 

[Nolan.]

BUT I JUS WANA JUMP AND CLECKT POWERUPS

Omg I knew it! Crackdown ain't sandbox it's too platformy to be so!. No one sticks to tradition anymore!. I feel disgusted I enjoyed that game.

 

[batbeg]

Do you really think that after Microsoft gave Rare the ability to create Viva Pinata, and then watched it flop (and I don't need to hear "BU-BU-BUT IT SOLD 1 MILLION" that was after multiple, multiple price drops) they'd let them do it all over again?

I can't even imagine why you would say this when there's threads about two new Viva Pinata games on the front page.

 

[WrikaWrek]

So opinions are no longer welcome in Gaf? I see nothing wrong with people praising the gamers they like or prefer.

I see something wrong with people with no interest on the thread/game at end, and then decide to jump on the thread when the bat signal is up, and they go on to spit on people's plate.

Then it becomes a shootout as always. I hate that people can't say crap about graphics, on the good side, in a 360 game thread without being shot down.

You can have people saying it looks like trash though, those people won't stop you.

But enough of complaining!!!!!!!!!!

 

[BenjaminBirdie]

Yes it is. Have you played it? There's lots of jumping, and platforming (where you navigate platforms) and so on. Zelda is not a platformer, it is an adventure game. I believe Banjo 3 would fit well in the adventure genre.

Of course I played it.

I guess I just have a much looser definition of it. The video makes it clear that you can build things to complete tasks and overcome obstacles. That always seemed to be the core mechanic of a "platformer".

 

[strikeselect]

And I thought maybe it was a nice tribute to Mario or something! :lol

It's a pretty ballsy thing to do coming from a studio that hasn't made anything relevant in over 8 years. :lol

 

[mizuk_i]

How is this NOT a platformer?

A platformer isn't jumping, it's problem solving.

When did platformers not involve jumping. Problem solving really? What does fireball power up have to do with a giant tank or helicopter with a cannon. The new Banjo isn't a platformer anymore its something different and while i personally want more platformers what the've shown so far has me interested.

 

[FrankT]

Luncheon begins at 1 PM PDT.

Ah, well maybe Lips/Ninja Blade will have an unveiling if not keep an eye out for Duckroll suicide watch. Are there any 2nd parties there outside the ones we have heard? Snoopers seen activity for this Blim?

 

[burgerdog]

did anyone else get this from amazon.co.uk?

Dear Amazon.co.uk Customer,
Ninja Gaiden 2 releases Friday, May 16th, 2008, at Amazon.co.uk. You've looked at it or bought other similar games for Xbox 360 in the past.

ninja gaiden 2 this friday ??

That would be interesting, trailer says June, though.

 

[BlueSummers]

Here's a new Dyack gem from the video CD at Gamestop.

When asked about the amount of cutscenes in the game (in which he answered "more than a motion picture"), he then dropped this one; "Too Human has more content that any other video game released in recent history."

:lol :lol :lol

 

[Emiru]

I can't even imagine why you would say this when there's threads about two new Viva Pinata games on the front page.

wait...what?

 

[Nolan.]

Do you really think that after Microsoft gave Rare the ability to create Viva Pinata, and then watched it flop (and I don't need to hear "BU-BU-BUT IT SOLD 1 MILLION" that was after multiple, multiple price drops) they'd let them do it all over again? I mean sure the Viva Pinata brand is still kicking, which is nice, but let us not forget Microsoft did invest a shit ton into it and would be a waste to just give up now. Even Rare says they've made the sequel more easily accessible in hopes to bring more people in.

What I'm really trying to get at is I'm sure they did want to reinvent the game, but not in such a drastic way as this. Look at games like Mario Galaxy, it's completely new and changed the formula from its predecessors but there is absolutely no denying it sticks to the core roots of its previous 3D games. If I couldn't see the actual characters of Banjo-Kazooie within these screens/video I wouldn't guess that it would even be from the same franchise.

Had Rare stuck with its cute and cheeky self like it was on the N64 do you really think a good amount of people on the Xbox 360 userbase would even consider buying it? Fuck no. It had to have a facelift, it had to have a change in gameplay style (with a focus on action) in order for anyone to look at it.

In one swoop you just made you own post obsolete.

 

[MirageDwarf]

Is actual press conference is over or not? I just logged in so don't know anything.

 

[Weenerz]

The visuals on Banjo looks great, but I'm not feeling the driving focus of the game. I loved the original ones on the N64 because of the 3d platforming.

 

[luffeN]

That would be interesting, trailer says June, though.

yeah, that's what worries me.. kinda.. I preordered just to be sure.. maybe it's a trap!

 

[gregor7777]

ign says BK has "some" platforming. WTF

I was told directly by someone at rare who I won't quote that they consider the game as an "action-adventure puzzle-platformer'.

 

[batbeg]

wait...what?

Viva Pinata DS, Viva Pinata 2. I didn't say announced, only new

 

[DXB-KNIGHT]

Big disappointment with the Banjo trailer, is not Banjo.

Me Too after seeing the video of GrandMechaKazooie my dreams of the first non-rpg game i'm intrested in the 360 was blown away.

 

[jacobs34]

ign says BK has "some" platforming. WTF

At this point I wish Rare would have made an original IP with what they are doing with Banjo, I think the concept is awesome, but the fanboy bitching is starting to get to me. What is wrong with taking a franchise in a different direction gameplay wise? Are we not the same message board posters who constantly bitch about games lacking innovation? If you want to play retreads of the same old games over and over you know where you can get them at...

 

[Ranger X]

:lol @ the people dissapointed with Banjo not being Banjo64 in HD.

Dude, real platformers are SO rare (lol) now that they would come out as innovative. This Banjo game sounds like a Banjo franchised game that isn't the sequel of Banjo-Tooie / Banjo Kazooie.

 

[Rocksteady33]

I can't even imagine why you would say this when there's threads about two new Viva Pinata games on the front page.

They invested millions of dollars into the brand and have probably not yet made it back? Clearly casual gaming is something that neither Microsoft or Sony have capitalized on but they are trying and Viva Pinata is an example of that. There was a TV show and other merchandise, do you think they'd just say, "Oh well the one game didn't work so just forget about it." No, they are pushing the series as well as other games (such as Scene It?) to the casual crowd that Nintendo is managing to hoard.

(Plus I clearly stated that in the following sentence in my original post which you very nicely cut out.)

 

[Emiru]

Viva Pinata DS, Viva Pinata 2. I didn't say announced, only new

totally forgot about vp ds

 

[Hunahan]

Huh? So because I bought 3 games they made I swear by them? Did you miss the threads where I created just to discuss why they're such fuckups? Did you ever see me going "HEY GUYS LET'S BE FAIR AND BALANCED AND WAIT FOR THE FINAL GAME"? Fuck no.

Nope.

Your style seems to always be trolling the absolute living shit out of a game during it's development process, then throwing your hands up at release and admitting that it's pretty good.

So I suppose what people are suggesting is that maybe if you turned back the vitriol on the early stages, you wouldn't really lose anything beyond avoiding the reputation of being sensationalist and negative.

Almost every reply I ever see from you is trying to prove why someone else is wrong, mocking them, or talking about how shitty this developer/game/etc is. It gets tiring.

I don't think Too Human looks very good either, but some other people do. Good for them. Why do you feel the constant need to piss on peoples' parades? I just don't understand that type of mentality. You don't like it, you've made that clear. They do, they've made that clear. Move on.

I mean, the fact that you actually think it supports your cause to say "I NEVER am fair and balanced" says it all. To me, at least, those don't seem like the type of qualities one would seek to actively avoid.....

I don't really have any grudge with you, I certainly don't want to get involved in an argument about it...but I do think it would be a good idea to chill out a bit.

Just my two cents.

 

[NeXuSDK]

Yes it is. Have you played it? There's lots of jumping, and platforming (where you navigate platforms) and so on. Zelda is not a platformer, it is an adventure game. I believe Banjo 3 would fit well in the adventure genre.

That certainly is wrong. Ask everyone who has actually played it!

It has some of the traditional platforming elements still, but what makes it reinvent the genre is that instead of Banjo and Kazooie having and gaining abilities to complete tasks and collect stuff, you use vehicles instead. You use vehicles like you use moves, power-ups or whatever usually, but the big twist here is that you can actually create these vehicles yourself! It's like Mario with the ability to create your own suits and power-ups...

And that is how you innovative a genre, plain and simple...

 

[fse]

you can play bk3 as a platform game, you can also use vehicles to speed up your progress from level to level. read the interviews and stuff.

 

[duckroll]

That certainly is wrong. Ask everyone who has actually played it!

It has some of the traditional platforming elements still, but what makes it reinvent the genre is that instead of Banjo and Kazooie having and gaining abilities to complete tasks and collect stuff, you use vehicles instead. You use vehicles like you use moves, power-ups or whatever usually, but the big twist here is that you can actually create these vehicles yourself! It's like Mario with the ability to create your own suits and power-ups...

And that is how you innovative a genre, plain and simple...

I was talking about...... Mario 64. ^^;

 

[BLaZiN PRopHeT]

NG2 TV Ad

http://www.msxbox-world.com/xbox360/movies/view/22/Ninja-Gaiden-2.html#

 

[FrankT]

:lol GAFFAS

Banjo will be the hotness. Haters will be eating their words when we learn more about the game or I dont know, they actually play it.

Is there a chance of anything else being announced? Besides Ninja Blade and LIPS...like a few suprises or anything?

I agree, Banjo really looks to be an amazing experience. These impressions from the press are awesome. Just going to make the wait longer now.

 

[Linkhero1]

What the hell is up with Banjo? Totally disappointed in its vehicle approach, but I'll guess I have to wait and play it first.

 

[blanky]

so where is all the news!

 

[GhaleonEB]

No Alan Wake? Moved to 2009?

 

[traveler]

Nope.

Your style seems to always be trolling the absolute living shit out of a game during it's development process, then throwing your hands up at release and admitting that it's pretty good.

So I suppose what people are suggesting is that maybe if you turned back the vitriol on the early stages, you wouldn't really lose anything beyond avoiding the reputation of being sensationalist and negative.

Almost every reply I ever see from you is trying to prove why someone else is wrong, mocking them, or talking about how shitty this developer/game/etc is. It gets tiring.

I don't think Too Human looks very good either, but some other people do. Good for them. Why do you feel the constant need to piss on peoples' parades? I just don't understand that type of mentality. You don't like it, you've made that clear. They do, they've made that clear. Move on.

I mean, the fact that you actually think it supports your cause to say "I NEVER am fair and balanced" says it all. To me, at least, those don't seem like the type of qualities one would seek to actively avoid.....

I don't really have any grudge with you, I certainly don't want to get involved in an argument about it...but I do think it would be a good idea to chill out a bit.

Just my two cents.

I haven't really tracked dr's posts, so let's ignore his own personal rep for a sec; his point still stands- why is positive criticism of a game automatically accepted beforehand while negative criticism is discounted immediately as "raining on parades?" I mean, don't people complain about the overwhelming "This is gonna turn out GREAT!" sentiment in journo previews all the time? Why not hold the same standards to ourselves?

 

[RSTEIN]

Wouldn't it be awesome if some random MS programmer had to find an emergency hiding place for his porn collection? Pressed against the wall, he quickly found an unused directory, MS/360/GAMEDAY directories. In this directory he made two folders. The first, LIPS, for his collection of the best oral on the interweb. The second, titled Ninja Blade, is where he put his Japanase Samurai porn (he is a Microsoft programmer, so stuff neads to be orderly). Unbeknowsnt to the poor Microsoft programmer, the directory MS/360/GAMEDAY was of course the Press directory for today. His porn was quickly found, enjoyed by all, but his fate was sealed.

He was banished to work on the next DoA Volleyball game.

 

[jacobs34]

That certainly is wrong. Ask everyone who has actually played it!

It has some of the traditional platforming elements still, but what makes it reinvent the genre is that instead of Banjo and Kazooie having and gaining abilities to complete tasks and collect stuff, you use vehicles instead. You use vehicles like you use moves, power-ups or whatever usually, but the big twist here is that you can actually create these vehicles yourself! It's like Mario with the ability to create your own suits and power-ups...

And that is how you innovative a genre, plain and simple...

Thank you for being logical, this thread is really getting me down. We should be talking about how great it is that M-Soft has some great looking games coming down the pipe. Instead it's like wading through a river of fanboy tears.

 

[duckroll]

Almost every reply I ever see from you is trying to prove why someone else is wrong, mocking them, or talking about how shitty this developer/game/etc is. It gets tiring.

That's too bad, the facts of life are tiring sometimes, get used to it.

 

[burgerdog]

Nope.

Your style seems to always be trolling the absolute living shit out of a game during it's development process, then throwing your hands up at release and admitting that it's pretty good.

So I suppose what people are suggesting is that maybe if you turned back the vitriol on the early stages, you wouldn't really lose anything beyond avoiding the reputation of being sensationalist and negative.

Almost every reply I ever see from you is trying to prove why someone else is wrong, mocking them, or talking about how shitty this developer/game/etc is. It gets tiring.

I don't think Too Human looks very good either, but some other people do. Good for them. Why do you feel the constant need to piss on peoples' parades? I just don't understand that type of mentality. You don't like it, you've made that clear. They do, they've made that clear. Move on.

I mean, the fact that you actually think it supports your cause to say "I NEVER am fair and balanced" says it all. To me, at least, those don't seem like the type of qualities one would seek to actively avoid.....

I don't really have any grudge with you, I certainly don't want to get involved in an argument about it...but I do think it would be a good idea to chill out a bit.

Just my two cents.

Well said, :bow