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MS Xbox 360 HD-DVD Player: Who's getting it?
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got one yesterday. insanely good picture quality. Batman and King Kong were both spectacular on my Samsung LNS3251D over component. Anyone get it working on PC? Would make taking it over to a friends house to watch
movies feasible.
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Sgt. Killjoy
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Drugs for Sale said:
if there is HDDVD/BR porn already, i wont know what to think
Alcibiades
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Got a new TV (32 in. Westinghouse from Black Friday after selling my 27 in.) and without even messing with the settings, I watched this movie and noticed that it didn't look all that great compared to King Kong earlier in the week (which I'd seen on my 27 in.). So yeah, my first experience with this TV (other than bad cable for Saturday football games) was this movie.AlanHemberger said:
I thought it might be that I hadn't adjusted the setting using the basic Sound and Vision DVD (poor man's DVE/Avia) or that with a bigger screen, 720p doesn't look as good, or that maybe this new Westy just sucks compared to past models... this gives me hope it was just the disc itself... The sound was awesome though (TrueHD on the HD-A1 analog outs). I'm still gonna go through the settings though, and maybe watch it again next week (this weekend I'm looking foward to Superman Returns).
Norse
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the reviews of V for Vendetta have said the movie doesnt look all that great for hd dvd....its not your settings, its the movie. I love hd dvd, but I still say normal very day people wont notice that much of a difference. Especially since older tvs were smaller so things appear clearer than our huge sets we have today. So until they are priced around the price of a dvd player in the 100 dollar range, I dont see people flocking to it. I on the other hand own 18 hd dvds already hehe
I finally saw the 360 HD-DVD on display and i was not impressed at all....not by the player, but by all the HD hype. They were playing King Kong and it looked only a little bit better than DVD quality, i mean yes colors had more depth and it's crip, but not the big difference i was expecting from HD.
It was being displayed on a Samsung 40 LCD, so i know it's not a TV related problem. could it be that 720p just doesnt look at good as 1080i? atleast on my CRT TV 1080i looks sharper than 720p.
i'd also like to note that i had the same problem with Bluray as well, i saw numerous BR displays and i wasn't impressed at all.
I think there is a bigger difference when games go from SD to HD than when movies go from SD to HD.
anyone feel the same way?
i think i'll wait for UHDTV...Ultra High Definition...
http://www.cinematography.net/Pages DW/UltraHighDefinition-UHDTV.htm
It was being displayed on a Samsung 40 LCD, so i know it's not a TV related problem. could it be that 720p just doesnt look at good as 1080i? atleast on my CRT TV 1080i looks sharper than 720p.
i'd also like to note that i had the same problem with Bluray as well, i saw numerous BR displays and i wasn't impressed at all.
I think there is a bigger difference when games go from SD to HD than when movies go from SD to HD.
anyone feel the same way?
i think i'll wait for UHDTV...Ultra High Definition...
http://www.cinematography.net/Pages DW/UltraHighDefinition-UHDTV.htm
aparisi2274
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marwan said:
Since 1080i is an interlaced picture, and 720p is a pure HD signal, you shouldnt see an improvement with 1080i. Just the opposite actually. since 720p is a purer picture, the image should look crisper and cleaner than 1080i.
I also have the player, and I must say that the images I see on my TV are nothing short of spectacular. The sound is amazing. I Have KK, and BB right now. Both those movies are just stunning.
King Kong falls from the Empire State Building?StoOgE said:
ZOMG spoiler!
Cant say I agree with you.marwan said:
Every person Ive ever showed HD movies was able to easily tell the difference.
It could be the setup or source material you were watching.
Dont hold your breath.marwan said:
1080p will be here for a long while.
This kind of blanket statements dont mean a whole lot.btrboyev said:
And anyway, the issue is not how much information you can extract from film, but what is discernable to the human eye under the viewing conditions.
aparisi2274
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bengraven said:
I own the HD DVD player for the 360 and I own a PS3, and I tell ya, I dont think I am ever going to stop buying regular DVD's... Its not worth it yet... HD DVD and Blu-Ray movies havent proved themselves yet... If you guys want to get a jump on whats coming out, head over to www.hidefdigest.com Its a good site with reviews and news for both formats. Helps out tremendously when a movie is being released on both BR and HD. so far HD has been winning.
bengraven said:
I've already started to do that. I'm even thinking of selling some of my DVDs - at least those I expect to be on HD in the next couple of years and that I don't expect to urgently need until then.
Stuff like Cars and my Ghibli stuff I'm still buying/keeping on DVD because it'll take ages to come out on HD.
Warm Machine
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marwan said:
Depends on the native res of the Samsung. A lot of LCD tvs still are stuck at 1366x768. So even then you are missing a lot of the resolution in the media.
On to your CRT, I have a HD CRT as well and we are resolution losers. A CRT has all kinds of factors that limit resolution but our tvs generally have less than any fixed pixel display at the trade off of much better contrast color saturation and viewing angle. HD from marketplace doesn't look much different on my 36" tv than a DVD does. HD on my 19" CRT PC monitor looks way better than DVD res though all due to available resolution regardless of screen size.
marwan said:
by default the samsungs (and most tv's straight from the factory) have way too much post-processing turned on, destroying the image - it looks punchy, but it crushes blacks and whites, has inaccurate color and destroys fine detail. samsung's can be particularly bad - unless you're on vga (or pc/game mode), there's processing you can't turn off at all.
so i'd never depend on the picture of any uncalibrated tv.
charlagame
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I'm loving mine so far. Got a question though.
i would like to get a movie that is in english, but the subtitle test is in chinese. everything i have so far is just english french and spanish. Can i import? or is it all region locked. thanks for any help.
i would like to get a movie that is in english, but the subtitle test is in chinese. everything i have so far is just english french and spanish. Can i import? or is it all region locked. thanks for any help.
Warm Machine said:
yah i never understood why most LCDs have a native res of 1366x768 and not 1366x720. I'm assuming 720p would look better on a 1366x720 TV since it will fill every single pixel precisely as opposed to stretching the image to the extra 48 lines....no?
aparisi2274, i have a sony WEGA 36" widescreen HDTV, i understand 720p is more pure since it's a progressive signal, but 1080i looks sharper to on my screen, while 720p looks great too, but the image is softer.
i also heard that CRTs don't have a native resolution due to the fact CRTs use a gun to project the image......it confuses me.
Chichikov, i have high hopes for 1080p, and i hope it proves me wrong, that's why i'm getting the new Bravia 1080p LCD.
charlagame
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thanks amba 
oops, one more thing. does the european 360 HD-DVD player work with a U.S 360, has anyone tested it yet? i'm currently visiting france, and saw the 360 HD-DVD player at a local store. I also wonder if the installation disc that comes with the euro version would work on a U.S 360.
aparisi2274
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marwan said:
I have a Sony Bravia 32"XBR LCD tv, and I changed all my stuff to 720p. The picture looks just as crisp for me, and now the text is a little bit sharper.
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I've been playing console games in at least 480p since 2001, and streaming some HD stuff here and there for a few years, also watching 1080i ATSC HD programs that are way less compressed and don't need to be decompressed by a shitty cable box plus playing 360 in 720p for the past year.
So for me the HD-DVD drive doesn't have the wow factor it would for someone whose bubble TV just died, but still has the best, most consistent viewing experience I've had. Nothing but good things to say about it. Can't wait for seasons of TV shows, hate swapping discs
So for me the HD-DVD drive doesn't have the wow factor it would for someone whose bubble TV just died, but still has the best, most consistent viewing experience I've had. Nothing but good things to say about it. Can't wait for seasons of TV shows, hate swapping discs
probably the reason I got into streaming less-than-DRM'd stuff on my network...
I just couldn't resist picking this up the other day. FutureShop is (was?) running a promotion last week where they even throw in the King Kong game for free. Granted, it sucks, but I can trade it in for Viva Pinata
King Kong looks absolutely stunning in HD. Even better than the HD version I saw recently on my Digital Cable service (which was already impressive to begin with). Running VGA to my Dell 2405 at full 1080p resolution, it was fantastic. I had to adjust the display settings a little as it still seems a bit washed out using the VGA cable, but I got it to an acceptable level. Closeups of Kong's face showed every single mark, flaw, crevace and strand of hair on his face. Zoomed out scenery shots showed that "depth" effect people are talking about, where it looks that much more "3D" and makes it feel like you're a bit closer to actually being there.
The sound was ok. No better, no worse.
I'm gonna be honest with you, I wasn't intending to get into the HD movie arena period, because of the steep costs and the thought of being burned on $1,000 hardware and $50 movies. However, for $200 (with a free movie, game, universal remote) this isn't only an excellent deal, it also isn't a major purchasing decision at that price. So regardless of whether or not someone "wins" this war, it's barely going to affect how I feel about this upgrade. Plain and simple, I love High Def, I notice a pretty big difference between regular DVDs and HD-DVD (and Cable HD), therefore, I'm going to want all the movies I love in their full glory. Hell, last Christmas I paid $150 for an LG 1080i upscaling DVD player, and the 360's HD-DVD does an even better job of the conversion.
The only downside at this point is the limited selection, and the lack of Fifth Element (Bluray..damnit!). But like always, the selection will grow, and the prices will drop. I noticed half the HD-DVDs were at the $20-23 price point, and that's fine by me.
Also keep in mind (like I'm sure you've heard) HD content is so dependant on having a good source to begin with. So just like a game review talks about "graphics", consider that some HD stuff has better "graphics". Not all games are visually equal, and especially when you're dealing with HD, the flaws are going to be more noticable. Just don't write off the whole system if you've see the setup on a shitty display (like most big box stores) playing a shitty movie.
King Kong looks absolutely stunning in HD. Even better than the HD version I saw recently on my Digital Cable service (which was already impressive to begin with). Running VGA to my Dell 2405 at full 1080p resolution, it was fantastic. I had to adjust the display settings a little as it still seems a bit washed out using the VGA cable, but I got it to an acceptable level. Closeups of Kong's face showed every single mark, flaw, crevace and strand of hair on his face. Zoomed out scenery shots showed that "depth" effect people are talking about, where it looks that much more "3D" and makes it feel like you're a bit closer to actually being there.
The sound was ok. No better, no worse.
I'm gonna be honest with you, I wasn't intending to get into the HD movie arena period, because of the steep costs and the thought of being burned on $1,000 hardware and $50 movies. However, for $200 (with a free movie, game, universal remote) this isn't only an excellent deal, it also isn't a major purchasing decision at that price. So regardless of whether or not someone "wins" this war, it's barely going to affect how I feel about this upgrade. Plain and simple, I love High Def, I notice a pretty big difference between regular DVDs and HD-DVD (and Cable HD), therefore, I'm going to want all the movies I love in their full glory. Hell, last Christmas I paid $150 for an LG 1080i upscaling DVD player, and the 360's HD-DVD does an even better job of the conversion.
The only downside at this point is the limited selection, and the lack of Fifth Element (Bluray..damnit!). But like always, the selection will grow, and the prices will drop. I noticed half the HD-DVDs were at the $20-23 price point, and that's fine by me.
Also keep in mind (like I'm sure you've heard) HD content is so dependant on having a good source to begin with. So just like a game review talks about "graphics", consider that some HD stuff has better "graphics". Not all games are visually equal, and especially when you're dealing with HD, the flaws are going to be more noticable. Just don't write off the whole system if you've see the setup on a shitty display (like most big box stores) playing a shitty movie.
Swat said:I just couldn't resist picking this up the other day. FutureShop is (was?) running a promotion last week where they even throw in the King Kong game for free. Granted, it sucks, but I can trade it in for Viva Pinata
King Kong looks absolutely stunning in HD. Even better than the HD version I saw recently on my Digital Cable service (which was already impressive to begin with). Running VGA to my Dell 2405 at full 1080p resolution, it was fantastic. I had to adjust the display settings a little as it still seems a bit washed out using the VGA cable, but I got it to an acceptable level. Closeups of Kong's face showed every single mark, flaw, crevace and strand of hair on his face. Zoomed out scenery shots showed that "depth" effect people are talking about, where it looks that much more "3D" and makes it feel like you're a bit closer to actually being there.
The sound was ok. No better, no worse.
I'm gonna be honest with you, I wasn't intending to get into the HD movie arena period, because of the steep costs and the thought of being burned on $1,000 hardware and $50 movies. However, for $200 (with a free movie, game, universal remote) this isn't only an excellent deal, it also isn't a major purchasing decision at that price. So regardless of whether or not someone "wins" this war, it's barely going to affect how I feel about this upgrade. Plain and simple, I love High Def, I notice a pretty big difference between regular DVDs and HD-DVD (and Cable HD), therefore, I'm going to want all the movies I love in their full glory. Hell, last Christmas I paid $150 for an LG 1080i upscaling DVD player, and the 360's HD-DVD does an even better job of the conversion.
The only downside at this point is the limited selection, and the lack of Fifth Element (Bluray..damnit!). But like always, the selection will grow, and the prices will drop. I noticed half the HD-DVDs were at the $20-23 price point, and that's fine by me.
Also keep in mind (like I'm sure you've heard) HD content is so dependant on having a good source to begin with. So just like a game review talks about "graphics", consider that some HD stuff has better "graphics". Not all games are visually equal, and especially when you're dealing with HD, the flaws are going to be more noticable. Just don't write off the whole system if you've see the setup on a shitty display (like most big box stores) playing a shitty movie.
I want this thing now. Argh! How far away do you sit from your Dell monitor? Is it big enough for you? Any good deals to be found on the 30"?
SpotLightKid
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Any one picked up Mutiny on the Bounty (1962)? of all the Brando films i have on DVD the quality of this one is the worst, if the HD-DVD transfer is better i will pick the add on Dec 1st (UK release). on a related note, what are the best UK sites for buy HD DVD's?
aparisi2274 said:
I have to disagree with this statement, which gets passed arounda lot. There is nothing inherently more "pure" about 720p than 1080i. The only thing you'll watch that's pure is actual film. Otherwise, you're losing something at eiether 720 or 1080i. 720p has a disadvantage in resolution, 1080i has a disadvantage in it's interlacing (in the case of lot's of motion).
It very much depends on your display. Most LCD and DLP devices are native 1366x720 or 768 progressive. A 720p signal will look best on these as it matches their display mechanisms closest. Most CRTs are 1080i native (giving an exact resolution is a little more difficult due to the various factors in the technology that can affect percieved resolution and the fact that it is not fixed-pixel - but 1080i is their scan rate). So, a 1080i signal will most closely match their display mechanisms.
The most pure resolution for a device is the one that goes through the least conversions. If you put 720p into a 1080i device, you lose the resolution advantage, while still having to deal with the interlacing disadvantage. If you put 1080i through a 720p device, you lose the advantages of a progressive signal while still dealing with the disadvantage of the lower resolution - if you have a decent scaler that can handle film-based content, though, you may be able to minimize the effects of de-interlacing, but you still lose the resolution (if you're really unlucky, though, your TV may simply upscale 540 fields from the 1080i signal rather than attempt to de-interlace)
1080i is also better for most 1080p TVs, as a film-based content can be pretty cleanly de-interlaced into a full 1080p image with no scaling involved. Non-film based content will generally be harder to de-interlace without introducing artifacts - but most HD-DVDs you'd buy will be based on film content.
However, regardless of all that - the HD-DVD player looks outstanding. I have a 34" Sony CRT HDTV and have always found the HD image quality from my Dish Network to be great (so much that it's hard going back to SD programming). However, I also know that I haven't been getting the best quality because of the compression that cable and satellite providers do to their image to save bandwidth. Watching King-Kong on HD-DVD reminded me what a crystal clear HD image, without the effects of compression (I know it is actually compressed, but the superior compression codec used and high-bitrate allows the image to remain relatively unscathed), can really look like on my HDTV. It looks outstanding.
On the sound side, I've been less impressed (having watched King Kong, MI3, and Batman Begins). I don't know if it's the movies themselves or the way the 360 is converting all the formats to Dolby Digital, but the sound has seemed a little more "flat" (for lack of a better word) than many of my DVDs. I'm disappointed to hear that even a straight DTS signal will be converted to DD, rather than passed through to my reciever. I wasn't too interested in what Dolby TrueHD can do, a full-bitrate DTS track is all I want. Anyway, hopefully the sound gets better in future viewings.
So far I'm very impressed with my HD-DVD purchase. I've picked up Batman, Polar Express, Phantom of the Opera, MI:3, and Corpse Bride. Couple questions though:
Is there a resume feature that I'm missing? Evertime I turn off the 360 in the middle of a movie it starts at the beginning.
Is there a way to eject the disk from the remote? The only option it gives me with a movie in is to play the HD-DVD. If there is no movie in it asks to open the tray and then close it.
Just curious to see if I was missing something.
Is there a resume feature that I'm missing? Evertime I turn off the 360 in the middle of a movie it starts at the beginning.
Is there a way to eject the disk from the remote? The only option it gives me with a movie in is to play the HD-DVD. If there is no movie in it asks to open the tray and then close it.
Just curious to see if I was missing something.
Klotera said:
are you telling that anything i play on a 360 hd-dvd drive will get converted to dolby digital? so no dts? i too was looking forward to a higher bitrate dts tracks on hd/br discs. but the dts tracks are still there right? i just need to play them on a dedicated player rather than the 360 combo?
Celeryface
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Klotera said:
I'm curious which resolution you use for HD-DVD/Xbox 360 content. I have a very similar TV and I'm interested in getting the HD-DVD player for 360.
I've had the HD-DVD player since it came out. It almost feels like when I got my first DVD player. I now go through the HD-DVD releases of any electronics store I go to, in search of good deals and the like, and looking at the HD-DVD release schedule as well.
GAH! I WAS ALREADY DONE WITH DVD PURCHASES! I CAN'T GO BACK!
GAH! I WAS ALREADY DONE WITH DVD PURCHASES! I CAN'T GO BACK!
pr0cs
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Not sure if this has been posted in this thread yet, forgive my repost if it has:
http://avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=9001981&&#post9001981
And the response from Amir @ Microsoft:
http://avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=9001981&&#post9001981
And the response from Amir @ Microsoft:
Celeryface said:
I have my Dish Network reciever and my Xbox 360 set to output 1080i, as it's the native format for my TV. If you have a CRT, that's definitely what you'll want to set your resolution to to get the most resolution out of your HD-DVDs. Unlike 360 games, where they're internally being rendered at 720p (or less), you're actually getting a full 1080i and taking advantage of that extra resolution with the HD-DVDs.
So after searching for this for 2 weeks I was finally able to find one at a Circuit City. I tried using that $40 off coupon but the cashier called the manager over. The manager then gave me this speech saying that coupon was counterfeit and asked me where I got it from. Well after all that I took the thing home and watching Mission Impossible 3 on HDDVD. It was a real shitty movie but the picture quality was very good. I didn't check the packaging but do all HDDVD movies support 1080p?
Alcibiades
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just hit the next chapter buttondream said:
Finally got mine a few days ago..Wal-Mart had them at a whole buck less ($199.00!!!!) .. 
They only received three..and sold them that same week, since I went today and they had none...
Anyway, so far so good..
Though, I haven't seen many stuff to compare...but..
King Kong (HD-DVD) >>>> Talladega Nights (Blu-Ray) ..
They only received three..and sold them that same week, since I went today and they had none...
Anyway, so far so good..
Though, I haven't seen many stuff to compare...but..
King Kong (HD-DVD) >>>> Talladega Nights (Blu-Ray) ..
marwan said:
I kinda agree, I saw a looping Blu-Ray demo on a huge TV at Circuit City and wasn't blown away. Frankly, I think the programming on HDnet looks sharper on my 61" Sammy here at home, and it's probably only broadcast at 720p.
That said, I'm still considering buying this add-on. I need to feed my 1080p TV something, and while at first I was going to earmark the $200 for a possible future PS3 purchase, I'm starting to think I'll just skip that altogether.
How's HD-DVD doing, anyway? Gonna stick around or what?
HDNet uses 1080i.Kolgar said:
And good next gen DVDs are going to look significantly better than it on your tv.
http://www.thedvdwars.com/index.cfmKolgar said:
AlanHemberger
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Really can't tell how it's doing at this point compared to Blu Ray. According to Amazon, HD DVD's are selling better than Blu Ray. But Blu Ray is just beginning to get its legs so it's still yet to be seen.Kolgar said:
OMG THE CC COUPON WORKED!!!
I was so reluctant to use the pdf coupon but figured the worst they could do was say no, so what the heck. Plus today's the last day!
So I printed it in color and went to the store. CC's website said the drives were in stock so I didn't panic when I didn't see any on the shelf. I asked the kid at the media register if they had any in stock and he checked - yup, two. So he started to ring me up.
"You're going to ring me up here?" I asked, thinking the girls at the service desk would be better.
"Yeah," he said.
"OK, can I use this?" I handed him the coupons.
He squinted at the page a moment and said, "No, this isn't a DVD recorder."
"No," I said. "This one. Forty dollars off purchases of $199. The drive is $199."
He scanned it and BOOM, it went in!
But I wasn't out of the woods yet. He went to the back to find one and I waited for five minutes before he returned.
"The computer says we have two but I didn't see any."
Pretty soon there's five guys turning the store upside down. I stood there for 10 minutes wondering if I was going to walk out of the store with a player or not.
FINALLY, one of the guys comes out and says, "They were in a tote!"
I'm looking at my new HD-DVD player right now.
I was so reluctant to use the pdf coupon but figured the worst they could do was say no, so what the heck. Plus today's the last day!
So I printed it in color and went to the store. CC's website said the drives were in stock so I didn't panic when I didn't see any on the shelf. I asked the kid at the media register if they had any in stock and he checked - yup, two. So he started to ring me up.
"You're going to ring me up here?" I asked, thinking the girls at the service desk would be better.
"Yeah," he said.
"OK, can I use this?" I handed him the coupons.
He squinted at the page a moment and said, "No, this isn't a DVD recorder."
"No," I said. "This one. Forty dollars off purchases of $199. The drive is $199."
He scanned it and BOOM, it went in!
But I wasn't out of the woods yet. He went to the back to find one and I waited for five minutes before he returned.
"The computer says we have two but I didn't see any."
Pretty soon there's five guys turning the store upside down. I stood there for 10 minutes wondering if I was going to walk out of the store with a player or not.
FINALLY, one of the guys comes out and says, "They were in a tote!"
I'm looking at my new HD-DVD player right now.
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