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my friend's desperation is making him unpleasant

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Cels

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So I've known my friend, let's call him S, for about a dozen years now. We went to high school and then college together. I lived with him for a little bit during college. In other words, I know him pretty well.

Presently, I am working and S is still in school, going for a PhD after he got an MS. I work near his school and we live fairly close to each other so we catch a bite together once in a while. Anyway, every time we go out, he ogles women (if there are any up to his lofty standards), like an uninterrupted gaze for about 10-15 seconds. He'll just drop a conversation and commence staring shamelessly. I don't even have to look, I know what he's looking at. He tells me to look too, "look at her tight body...those tits...dang, she's just the right size" or some variation.

This has been going on for almost a year. I think it's even shaped his restaurant choices, because one time when I, a mutual friend, and he were deciding where to go eat after a movie I suggested one place, and he said "no, we have to go to X restaurant because they have hot girls." The funny thing is that we did end up going to that place but we got a male server, and of course the whole time he was whining about how we got a male server and how he could see bunch of female staff serving other customers - "why couldn't we get her....or her...instead we got this prick." The same thing happened about a month ago, we went to a different restaurant and got a male server instead of one of the pretty girls and he called that server a prick, loudly proclaiming that we should have a female server instead. Of course he ogled everyone around. We sat outside and he ogled the women walking by, he ogled the female servers, he ogled other restaurant patrons...

There was this woman at a different restaurant near where we live. We went to that location together about a year ago and we got a pretty server who had an unusual first name. Guess what he did? He went home and found her on facebook and started telling me about her (like where she lives, where she goes to school, what's in her public photos). I told him if you really like her you should just ask her for her number and see what happens. He didn't do that, but what he did do was go back to that restaurant a few times and ask for her to be his server, and he finally mustered the courage to say "hey add me on facebook."

Now I do know the reason for this behavior. He's 26 and he's never even kissed a girl, a fact he admitted to me after I (foolishly perhaps) asked him when the last time was that he kissed a girl. His reply? "You first" (like what are you, 12?) so I told him and then he revealed, "I've never kissed a girl." Basically he's desperate as hell. I tried to offer some advice to him, like stop worrying about that stuff, try to focus on doing something to improve yourself like work out, and most of all stop acting so desperate and staring cause it's rude and women can sniff out desperation quite easily. He generally agreed with my sentiment and resolved to go to the gym more, but I think S, who was already out of shape, has only gotten fatter in the past half year.

Anyway the reason I'm writing this thread is that I had dinner with S tonight after work and again he started creeping. I noticed it right away cause we were talking about something and he started staring at something to the left of me. It was a couple, and the woman was definitely a looker. After he had his fill of staring he said to me "how can a loser like that get a woman like her....there is no justice in this world." That just made me really angry because it's not the first time he's said that about someone. Every guy who is with a pretty girl is a "douche", a "prick", or a "loser". Anyone who has had more success with him (not just talking about success with women here) he tries to bring down in some way or say something mean and hurtful about them. And worst of all in my mind, he puts down a lot of women for their appearance or being overweight, when he himself is pretty slovenly, doesn't work out, and is about 20-25lb overweight. His favorite word to use for them is "fatty."

I called S out after he said "there is no justice in this world." I said, "Why are you so judgmental? Why are you calling people names, calling strangers losers? Why are you such a fucking asshole?" He couldn't look me in the eye, instead he looked down at his food and started mumbling. I continued, "if anything that guy's a winner if he's with that woman." We eventually started talking about other stuff but it's just frustrating to see him act this way. I'm not sure if he really understands if his behavior is awful cause we actually have a good rapport EXCEPT when it comes to the subject of women. Not really sure what I should do here, cause I feel like I've already offered him the best advice I could.
 

Angry Grimace

Two cannibals are eating a clown. One turns to the other and says "does something taste funny to you?"
Being a wingman suggests the other guy knows how to pilot.
Sounds like a sucky copilot. Telling him he sucks isn't helping. It's just being smug and superior. I'm sure dude wishes he was successful with women.
 
He probably talks like that because he has never been with a girl. Overcompensating for never having been in any form of relationship with a girl.
 

Cipherr

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Sounds like the makings of a very creepy person. I want to tell you to help him, but I wouldn't know how.

26... Jesus.
 

jtb

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get him to use Tinder. circumvents a lot of the embarrassing/creepy habits he seems to have developed.
 

Vyroxis

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Be a mate, rent him a whore. It will let him vent sexually, and he will calm down for a few months. Maybe longer. Bonus points if you can pull it off without him knowing.
 

Takuan

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Defense mechanisms. He's not hopeless, I know people in their 30s who have the same silly standards and attitudes toward women (though they aren't as obnoxious with the ogling).

It's all projection. At 26, he's not quite lost. Continue to call him out when he's being an asshole, continue to tell him like it is and hope it eventually registers.
 
Your friend just sounds like a thirsty asshole.

I'm 24, wicked out of shape (I have started going to the gym though... so, yeah), and have never kissed a girl, and I don't do any of that crap. He just sounds like an insecure asshole.

He can do better.
 

Haly

One day I realized that sadness is just another word for not enough coffee.
I think the most important omission from the OP is when he first kissed de girl.
 

SDBurton

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Dude needed a reality check and you gave him one, so good job for being a true friend and calling him out on his bullshit.
 
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NotTheGuyYouKiss

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gugi40

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He sounds like the kind of person that hates themselves so they project that onto others.

Get him to focus on himself and better himself mentally not just physically and it might bring some success for the future.

It is good that you are calling him out though, because that behavior would be embarrassing to be around.
 

Cronox

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If he's got some money he should get set up with an escort. He needs to break precedents. Get his first kiss, first BJ, first sex... Just do due diligence when choosing the escort and don't be too cheap. Funnily enough, I think sex with a woman (oh, it'll be awkward) could open him up and get him to humanize women again, rather than objectify. Of course it could also backfire, but at this point the guy needs some new experiences, and the only barrier to my suggestion is money or his unwillingness.
 

Mully

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The guys I work with are similar to your friend. In my case, it's more of a sign of camaraderie and busting chops than anything else.

Reciprocate and see if he messes with you. If he doesn't he's likely overcompensating.

EDIT:

On a second and a more thorough read, your bud's a creep, friend.
 

SugarDave

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He couldn't look you in the eye because he likely already knows all of those things you said to him. He probably just assumes you'll agree with him as a friend so that he'll feel a little better about his situation, even if he is lying to himself.

It obviously bothers him, and it's probably something that affects his confidence and self-esteem as a whole (not just in the dating scene). He's 26, so he's lived with it for quite a long time, and the longer you live with insecurities the harder it is to initiate change.

I don't really have any recommendations to help him change, sorry, but obviously it all has to start with him. All you can really do is offer motivation and support. The ogling is pretty creepy though, tell him to cut that out.
 
be a decent wingperson and help him get laid?.

How does one actually act as a wingman? I've only seem them in romcoms, and the goal seems to be to annoy a woman so that the other dude can tell him to piss off and strike up a conversation with the lady. But I don't think it works like that in real life, or does it?
 
Convince your friend to visit a prostitute. He has a terrible view of women due to having never been with one and while a hooker isn't the best fix for that, it will help give him some perspective at least.
 

vatstep

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Teach me the ways Sensei.

Seriously though it would be freeing as fuck not to care.
SSRIs. :\

Really, though, sex and women used to be at the forefront of my mind at all times, but now, I just don't care anymore. This would obviously not work out well if I was still in a relationship, but I have a hard time seeing it as a negative side effect because it makes everything so much simpler.
 
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