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Name a better prog rock album than Dream Theater's 'When Dream And Day Unite'
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DunDunDunpachi
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Not a fan of Tool, myself 
Too many songs are just soundscapes / ear candy instead of shredding guitars and unhinged drum solos.
Too many songs are just soundscapes / ear candy instead of shredding guitars and unhinged drum solos.
Mistershine.
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The wall? Breakfast in America? In the court of the crimson King? The kick inside?
lock2k
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Awake is pretty good. My favorite. The First seven string riff I heard was Lie.
Wes Borland has some good points though. I like Images and Words, Awake, A Change of Seasons, and Six Degrees but most of DT's catalog while cool does not get stuck in my Head like Rush, or Tool or Opeth.
Also... anything Pain of Salvation does fucking rocks.
Wes Borland has some good points though. I like Images and Words, Awake, A Change of Seasons, and Six Degrees but most of DT's catalog while cool does not get stuck in my Head like Rush, or Tool or Opeth.
Also... anything Pain of Salvation does fucking rocks.
BigBooper
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I never grew to like Dream Theater. They're kind of like the elevator music of progressive rock. It just drones out. These three are better imo.
Edit: I see this is more of a prog metal topic. NVM my suggestions.
Edit: I see this is more of a prog metal topic. NVM my suggestions.
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DunDunDunpachi
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Out of those, I do really enjoy Dillinger Escape Plan.
Tschumi
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:/ Genesis Foxtrot, Selling England by the Pound, hell A Trick of the Tail... Songs from the Wood by Jethro Tull... IN THE COOOURT OF THE CRIMSON KIIIING
I love all the prog bands which came after but they're really just a metronome click in the auditorium that is Genesis raarrr (slight hyperbole)
Edit 2: just the idea that there's a chance someone might hear the above album for the first time thanks to my post causes me to clench in excitement
I love all the prog bands which came after but they're really just a metronome click in the auditorium that is Genesis raarrr (slight hyperbole)
Edit 2: just the idea that there's a chance someone might hear the above album for the first time thanks to my post causes me to clench in excitement
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Thing on a Spring
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Tommy, Deltron 3030.
Tschumi
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I'm not going to ask for your response or anything, because this is subjective and you can most certainly be you.. but like, i can think of a plurality of Tool songs that are unhinged drum solos, shredding guitars, and like a bazillion other things.. if you want me to give some, first tell me what you have heard, so i don't name drop a track that you've already decided wasn't good enough. No drama, all love, see I'm a tool missionary is all.Not a fan of Tool, myself
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Alter_Fridge
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Scenes From a Memory, because it's clearly the best DT album ever
Thing on a Spring
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Tschumi
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Bit cringy to watch the live performance on YouTube with Dan the Automator conducting the music with a baton when it.. doesn't quite call for it... But other than that, my favourite rap album after Madvillainy i think.. which is also a prog album.. i think..
Thing on a Spring
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Tschumi
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Can't listen just now but I'll give it a try!
Lionel Richie
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Oh I can name SEVERAL. But I'm going to go with a single modern one that is MILES AHEAD of anything DT ever did:
Master Of Illusion
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Images & Words and Awake are better, but WDADU is super underrated.
quickwhips
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Dream theater is pretty bad ass. I haven't listened to them in a while. I will now!
IfuckinghateReddit
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The unbeatable king
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all of these
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If you want metal excluded 80% of prog in the '70s is better, I don't get why anyone would think this particular DT album is special.
edit - I'm giving it a second chance right this second, maybe I was being too hard? It feels like Rush worship but that's fine, I remember HATING this back in the day, though.
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If you want metal excluded 80% of prog in the '70s is better, I don't get why anyone would think this particular DT album is special.
edit - I'm giving it a second chance right this second, maybe I was being too hard? It feels like Rush worship but that's fine, I remember HATING this back in the day, though.
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IfuckinghateReddit
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Sebastian Suola
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I think you meant to say:
”Name a better prog metal album than Dream Theater’s Images & Words”
And I agree, it’s impossible to name one.
”Name a better prog metal album than Dream Theater’s Images & Words”
And I agree, it’s impossible to name one.
DunDunDunpachi
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I've listened to Fear Inoculum, Undertow, and 10,000 Days albums in their entirety.
Stiflers Mom
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Fields of the Nephilim - Elizium
"At the gates of silent memory" is a track from this album.
They are usually counted as "Goth Rock", but in my opinion what they did was more Prog than anything else.
"At the gates of silent memory" is a track from this album.
They are usually counted as "Goth Rock", but in my opinion what they did was more Prog than anything else.
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DunDunDunpachi
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Gentle Giant generally goes unmentioned, sadly, but yeah this is a great album. Good callout.The unbeatable king
IfuckinghateReddit
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I was tempted to go with Octopus but this is my favourite GG album.
To be fair, I actually like this album but there are just so many that are iconic.
For example:
And if you want an example of prog-metal that's relatively modern.....
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Tschumi
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Well, I'll just say.. Fear Inoculum is probably their most polarizing, Undertow and 10,000 days are, to me, their two worst albums. Aenima and Lateralus are the best studio albums, and Salival contains a few great tracks - including a cover of Led Zeppelin's No Quarter that I think is the superior take.. If you want specific songs... I'm willing to venture onto that limb with the 'subjectivity' caveat firmly understood
SirTerry-T
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Slings and Arrows
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+If we bring metal in to this, then Opeth.
Duellist
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Alter_Fridge
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Drake
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I was tempted to go with Octopus but this is my favourite GG album.
To be fair, I actually like this album but there are just so many that are iconic.
For example:
And if you want an example of prog-metal that's relatively modern.....
I've been meaning to listen to Crimson. I hear it's an incredible album/song. I've been on quite the Death Metal kick lately.
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IfuckinghateReddit
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You plebs need some culture
It's pretty much the death metal Thick as a Brick. One song - 40 minutes. It's amazing.
It's pretty much the death metal Thick as a Brick. One song - 40 minutes. It's amazing.
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DunDunDunpachi
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In fairness, since I haven't listened to Aenima or Lateralus (okay, I'll probably put them on and recognize one or two songs, inevitably) I will pick up the ball and give those albums a listen before commenting further. If I happened to hear their two "worse" albums then maybe I didn't get to hear the band in its prime.Well, I'll just say.. Fear Inoculum is probably their most polarizing, Undertow and 10,000 days are, to me, their two worst albums. Aenima and Lateralus are the best studio albums, and Salival contains a few great tracks - including a cover of Led Zeppelin's No Quarter that I think is the superior take.. If you want specific songs... I'm willing to venture onto that limb with the 'subjectivity' caveat firmly understood
People keep bringing up Train of Thought, which I have owned and enjoyed since debut back in 2003. Excellent album. I was learning drumkit back in 2001-2004 which is what got me into Dream Theater in the first place. The instrumentals are great. Train of Thought -- specifically -- is the album I listened to for the whole summer while I saved up money to buy a double-bass pedal, and I learned quite a few of the beats from this album when I bought that pedal.
But here's the thing: Dominici's vocals on When Dream And Day Unite are pure magic. That's why I still rate the OP album higher. It's a technically-sound album in terms of the instrumentals -- any good prog rock album should be. The glitzy vocals stitch it all together into the crowning achievement of prog rock.
For sure, Train of Thought is prog rock that a metalhead could get into and has far wider appeal. The vocals were also more diverse and... contemporary.
I stand by my claim in the OP though.
TrainedRage
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I can beat that....
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Relativ9
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First post nails it.
Sadly the music video seems to have been pulled from basically everywhere, it really adds something to it. But holy hell The Pot is good, I mean there are like 20 other amazing Tool songs, but The Pot man...The Pot.
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Tschumi
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Great! I think Undertow was the better of the two you've heard, Prison Sex being a highlight.. 10,000 days just felt shallow across the board, i know people just a few years younger than me probably think a lot more highly of 10k because songs like The Pot would might made it a phenomenon in certain highschools, or cliques, but after Aenima and Lateralus it was a big come down in lyrics, vocals, subject matter, and experimental music.
Aenima was the first masterpiece, but Lateralus is the great masterpiece.. and like i said, if you don't wanna put so much time into listening, the Salival live album has a few top covers and reworkings.. I think a lot of tool might fall under your "soundscape" designation, but i guess it's what they do with that effect that counts.. the message they convey. Also probably depends on how much you need to hear that message at the time.
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