LordofAllThatIsEvil
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My son is 20. He cant wait to see this. Kinda proud.
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Napoleon By Ridley Scott
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NotMyProblemAnymoreCunt
Biggest Trails Stan
I'm interested in watching this but I wish Ridley Scott would make more science fiction movies that's not Alien
NotMyProblemAnymoreCunt
Biggest Trails Stan
I love how no fucks given Ridley Scott became over the years. I can tell he just doesn't care and makes whatever he wants lol
diffusionx
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The commercials and trailer for this movie look fucking awful. Like "what were they thinking" tier of awful. Phoenix is also way too old at this point to play Napoleon. What a disaster. More whig history nonsense.
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AJUMP23
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Bad representation of the French and the fact that napolean brought scholars with them and they discovered much of what people first learned of ancient Egypt. Ridley Scott is better than this.
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Certainly. Napoleon was a complicated character with plenty of virtues and vices, but having him randomly fire at the Pyramids doesn't inspire confidence in the rest of the movie's accuracy. I get that he wanted a quick way to show the campaign without spending too much time, but that's a bad idea. That said, it might still be pretty good as a work of entertainment. Just...not something you should use in order to actually learn about history.
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IDKFA
I am Become Bilbo Baggins
Ridley Scott unfortunately doesn't give a shit about historical accuracy. In a recent interview with BBC the subject of historical accuracy was brought up. His response:
"Were you there? Oh you weren't there. Then how do you know?"
Napoleon's Ridley Scott on critics and cinema 'bum ache'
The director says his response to criticism from historians about his film would "have a bleep in it".
www.bbc.co.uk
It's kinda sad that Scott would so aggressively cheer for ignoring historical record. While I think a wild ahistorical romp about Napolean in the vein of Inglorious Basterds could be a lot of fun, for a serious drama, which Napolean seems to be, I'd think he would realize that the core audience is gonna want attention to detail and historical accuracy, at least in spirit, as much as possible. If he wanted another Gladiator with its loose version of history, he should have manufactured someone AROUND Napolean to give an unreliable narrator perspective, or something like Bernard Cornwall did with the Last Kingdom series, or just do Flashman for fucks sake. ESPECIALLY if he is buying into the colonizer narrative for european campaigns outside of Europe, fuck that noise.
DKehoe
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ManaByte
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SJRB
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Based
SirKicksalot
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Ridley Scott is my spirit animal
IDKFA
I am Become Bilbo Baggins
NotMyProblemAnymoreCunt
Biggest Trails Stan
That's what I said earlier lol
JimmyRustler
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Who can blame him? Hollywood has been willingly rewriting history for some time now.
He probably figured... Why should I care if the others don't?
NotMyProblemAnymoreCunt
Biggest Trails Stan
I just admire his I don't give a shit attitude. It's just refreshing to see
newtypepilot
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HoodWinked
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There's a big difference in not giving a shit like Tarantino where he makes what he wants to make to elevate art. And not giving a shit cause you care so little about what you're making.
Wildebeest
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You say that like it wouldn't just be standard practice for Ridley Scott to sneak his belief in ancient aliens into a film.
Hudo
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So you're saying that Napoleon is a prequel to Alien?
AJUMP23
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Scott only makes bad Alien prequels now.
12Goblins
Lil’ Gobbie
LOL as a Frenchman it's so true though
The French will undoubtedly love this film, and we love Ridley and what he has done for cinema
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SirKicksalot
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Fools complaining about historical accuracy while the man's entire career has been about historically inaccurate kino.
1492 is as historically accurate as the Star Wars prequels and yet this scene perfectly conveys the modern idea of how monumental discovering America surely was:
And that's exactly what Napoopan does in its Egypt or Austerlitz scenes. We always shared tall tales about great people. Some of the reactions here are hilarious - people who can't escape literal thinking and can't identify metonymy when the fucking director spells it out for them...
1492 is as historically accurate as the Star Wars prequels and yet this scene perfectly conveys the modern idea of how monumental discovering America surely was:
And that's exactly what Napoopan does in its Egypt or Austerlitz scenes. We always shared tall tales about great people. Some of the reactions here are hilarious - people who can't escape literal thinking and can't identify metonymy when the fucking director spells it out for them...
Oberstein
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A video of Joaquin Phoenix and Ridley Scott in the Musée de l'Armée in France (which has an impressive number of Napoleon's accessories, not fakes, contrary to what Joaquin says).
Funnily enough, Joaquin looks like the average tourist who doesn't give a damn, but hey, he looks tired. In fact, he leaves at one point.
Ridley Scott discovers historical anecdotes on the spot, which is worrying for the film's historicity.
Zathalus
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Looks accurate to me. If you disagree, then as Ridley would say "Were you there? Oh you weren't there. Then how do you know?"
Games of Today
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I just wish this looked like Black Hawk Down and not a Netflix special.
Why is it so hard to make good looking movies now?
Why is it so hard to make good looking movies now?
They never even spoke about the character with each other? Sounds very low effort all around.
Contrast with Oppenheimer. Nolan knows all of the details regarding the historical events, and crafts a narrative that stays true to history while making it his own. It takes a lot of effort to execute a project with that kind of depth and precision.
Chuck Berry
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The last good Scott movie imo
Gp1
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Did you watched Kingdom Heaven directors cut?
Imho it's one of his best movies. On par with his classics.
And even after that he did American Gangster (great), Body of Lies (great) plus a bunch of "good" movies in 10's and 20's.
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Chuck Berry
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Oberstein
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Yeah, clearly, it surprised me too.
Ridley doesn't give a shit about the historical aspect, as he's shown with his recent comments.
Like, for example, shooting the pyramids, which is really the opposite of what Napoleon did... but well, we'll see with the rest of the film.
If only Kubrick had lived longer...
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DaciaJC
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Pretty much exactly what I suspected after the first trailer. How disappointing.
It's an entertaining film, but it misrepresents almost every major featured historical figure and religious attitudes of the time. Unfortunately there aren't all that many films directly centered around the Crusades, so it's probably still one of the better ones.
GnomeChimpsky
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I agree that Scott and Vangelis were masters of exactly that: conveying the idea behind a thing rather than trying to spin it into literal truth.
Saying that... he lost a lot of his finesse over the years and this sounds more like he's going for a purely visual thing. The no fucks given-attitude only works if you still have the skills to back it up.
IDKFA
I am Become Bilbo Baggins
And it shows. Scorsese makes classic after classic, where Scott is one the biggest hit and miss directors of all time.
Wildebeest
Member
Oh boy, I sure hope there are no well researched and well realised scenes about Napoleon's famous military victories in this biopic about Napoleon. That would be too boring and obvious.
Alx
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Weird that Scott only discovers that museum after he's shot the movie. I mean if you're making a movie about Napoleon, one would expect you'd at least go to the places that have most of the memorabilia from that time ("what's this ? - oh nothing, just the stuff he used to plan his battles, but I don't think it's relevant for your movie...").
Also funny how Phoenix is typical of people from the American continent having no idea of the amount of historical content in European Museums. Sur I guess he's more used to places where everything is a replica in papier-mache, but our museums actually have much more legit content than they can expose. Just the Musée de l'Armée has storage rooms filled with authentic medieval armors standing shoulder to shoulder. They have Napoleon's favourite horse stuffed in a window, ffs.
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SirKicksalot
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I think the guy whose first movie 50 years ago was about two Napoleonic officers and lived in France for many years actually knows a thing or two about Napoleon.
This is just a marketing material put together in haste when the actor's strike ended. Phoenix was obviously dragged kicking and screaming from his bed on another continent to shoot this bullshit.
AJUMP23
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Artoris
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ForAcademicPurposes
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I'll give this a go but only because of Phoenix.
FunkMiller
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Kinda glad I skipped this originally. I have Apple TV free off my bank, so I’ll give this a go now.
Artoris
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SirKicksalot
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This movie makes more sense knowing that Paul Thomas Anderson did rewrites
www.worldofreel.com
Joaquin Phoenix Threatened to Quit Ridley Scott’s ‘Napoleon’ Unless Paul Thomas Anderson Rewrote the Script — World of Reel
This corroborates what many had stated to be Phoenix’s odd behavior towards Ridley Scott right before production was set to begin on “Napoleon” in late 2022.
www.worldofreel.com