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[joe_zazen]

tldr: study shows virtuous victim signallers are usually narcissists, psychopaths, and manipulators. They use virtuous victim signalling to enhance status and victimhood to get money and other resources.

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University of British Columbia researchers conclude that the so-called "dark triad" personality traits—Machiavellianism, narcissism, and psychopathy—lead to characteristics like "self-promotion, emotional callousness, duplicity, and tendency to take advantage of others," the paper explains. And "treated as a composite, the Dark Triad traits were significant predictors of virtuous victim signaling."

This held true "even when controlling for factors that may make people vulnerable to being mistreated or disadvantaged in society (i.e., demographic and socioeconomic characteristics) as well as the importance they place on being a virtuous individual as part of their self-concept," the researchers note.

They point out that virtue signaling is defined as "the conspicuous expression of moral values, done primarily with the intent of enhancing one's standing within a social group."

Meanwhile, victim signaling "may be used as a social influence tactic that can motivate recipients of the signal to voluntarily transfer resources to the signaler," they explain.

https://reason.com/2020/07/07/narci...gage-in-virtuous-victim-signaling-says-study/

quelle suprise.

 

[nush]

Exhibit One: Zoe Quinn.

 

[Shodan09]

Cash App me.

 

[bronk]

I know so many people like this personally. I've seen through their facade long ago. It's tiring. The world tries to make you feel like shit if you're like me and say nothing positive ever on social media. Just post stupid meaningless crap. It turns out I might be an ok person.

Spoiler

maybe

 

[Trojita]

two exploratory studies we conducted with 300 U.S. adults recruited from Amazon Mechan-ical Turk (MTurk) and with a nationally representative sample of 1,509 Canadians recruited via a consumer survey panel found that 34% and 24% of respondents, respectively, reported that “at somepoint in their lives, they have pretended to be hurt or harmed,physically or psychologically, to increase the chances of getting something they wanted,” and 79% of MTurk respondents and 72%Canadian respondents said they knew somebody else who had done so.

66% and 76% respondents, respectively, are liars.

Should have asked if those Amazon mechnical-turk workers feel like victims. You might get a 100% yes result.

 

[Tesseract]

psychic vampires be dat way

 

[cryptoadam]

Not shocked at all.

 

[Ememee]

Yeah. I even recognized traits of it myself when I was younger. I had a tendency to “play the victim” due to aspects of my upbringing.

I’ve seen a lot of articles, studies allude to this in the last few years, and with how prevalent it is online, one can only hope more and more people wise up to this and quite frankly, stop enabling and give those the validation they seek.

 

[Cunth]

I hate these people

 

[Men_in_Boxes]

This would suggest that the current swell is unsustainable for the fringe left.

People who achieve power by getting shit done would be much more capable of remaining in power than those who achieve it via gimmick methods (IE CHAZ/CHOP).

 

[Coolwhhip]

 

[Coolwhhip]

Now the question is, does it work? Do we have millionaire professional victims yet?

 

[Super Mario]

Every person who spams my social media with virtue signaling has major mental issues

 

[Johnny Silver]

Not surprised at all. These people are abusers and will resort to the tools presently available to fill their hunger for attention and power.

 

[llien]

All that is sooo subjective, I'd put close to zero value into this study.

 

[Deleted member 1159]

No shit

 

[DESTROYA]

The Dark Triad, sounds more like The Dark Parasites , living off host victims.

 

[poppabk]

I think I suffer from this. It's a compulsion brought on by non specific past 'abuse' and I need help. If you could all donate to my GoFundMe I will be able to get the 'help' I need.

Spoiler

PS5

 

[DunDunDunpachi]

Yep, it's all around us. Narcissistic Personality Disorder will be the most-talked about mental disorder of the 2020s and probably beyond.

I don't quite know why it is so prevalent nowadays, but it is rooted in young childhood abuse and neglect. It's not genetic as far as we know.

 

[mortal]

*Looks at social media*

Checks out.

 

[Schrödinger's cat]

AKA: Crybullies.

 

[Hoya Destroyer]

A sense of entitlement and a need for admiration are definite narcissistic traits.

 

[O-N-E]

All that is sooo subjective, I'd put close to zero value into this study.

I guess psychology is bogus.

 

[Deleted member 1159]

Yep, it's all around us. Narcissistic Personality Disorder will be the most-talked about mental disorder of the 2020s and probably beyond.

I don't quite know why it is so prevalent nowadays, but it is rooted in young childhood abuse and neglect. It's not genetic as far as we know.

Well, when the most powerful man in the world is getting away with these types of temper tantrums and behaviors, and people are not only going along with it, but praising it, it's hard not to see how it trickles down. But that's just my opinion, man.

 

[Coolwhhip]

Well, when the most powerful man in the world is getting away with these types of temper tantrums and behaviors, and people are not only going along with it, but praising it, it's hard not to see how it trickles down. But that's just my opinion, man.

Leaders often have narcissistic traits, people look at them for leadership more often. They are always confident even if they are wrong.

 

[lock2k]

tldr: study shows virtuous victim signallers are usually narcissists, psychopaths, and manipulators. They use virtuous victim signalling to enhance status and victimhood to get money and other resources.

———

University of British Columbia researchers conclude that the so-called "dark triad" personality traits—Machiavellianism, narcissism, and psychopathy—lead to characteristics like "self-promotion, emotional callousness, duplicity, and tendency to take advantage of others," the paper explains. And "treated as a composite, the Dark Triad traits were significant predictors of virtuous victim signaling."

This held true "even when controlling for factors that may make people vulnerable to being mistreated or disadvantaged in society (i.e., demographic and socioeconomic characteristics) as well as the importance they place on being a virtuous individual as part of their self-concept," the researchers note.

They point out that virtue signaling is defined as "the conspicuous expression of moral values, done primarily with the intent of enhancing one's standing within a social group."

Meanwhile, victim signaling "may be used as a social influence tactic that can motivate recipients of the signal to voluntarily transfer resources to the signaler," they explain.

https://reason.com/2020/07/07/narci...gage-in-virtuous-victim-signaling-says-study/

quelle suprise.

Just confirmed what I thought long ago.

It's a shield.

It's like those ultra conservative who preach abstinence but are pedos and shit like that. They are always covering their own shit but they don't realize this kind of behavior is that exposes them the most.

 

[Deleted member 1159]

Leaders often have narcissistic traits, people look at them for leadership more often. They are always confident even if they are wrong.

This is both true and not a good thing.

 

[DunDunDunpachi]

Well, when the most powerful man in the world is getting away with these types of temper tantrums and behaviors, and people are not only going along with it, but praising it, it's hard not to see how it trickles down. But that's just my opinion, man.

The behavior precedes Trump by decades and exists on "both sides". If you're parsing it through him, you're either naive or duplicitously trying to yank attention away from the true extent of the problem.

I'm not Trump's dr and won't diagnose from a distance, but it should be noted that NPD (narcissistic personality disorder) and egotistical behavior are not one and the same.

There may be a trickle down effect due to celebrities and politicians but I will repeat my previous statement that the primary known cause is persistent abuse / neglect during young childhood. It isn't something that pops up just because celebrities and politicians act brashly, which of course is actually nothing new at all.

 

[Deleted member 1159]

The behavior precedes Trump by decades and exists on "both sides". If you're parsing it through him, you're either naive or duplicitously trying to yank attention away from the true extent of the problem.

I'm not Trump's dr and won't diagnose from a distance, but it should be noted that NPD (narcissistic personality disorder) and egotistical behavior are not one and the same.

There may be a trickle down effect due to celebrities and politicians but I will repeat my previous statement that the primary known cause is persistent abuse / neglect during young childhood. It isn't something that pops up just because celebrities and politicians act brashly, which of course is actually nothing new at all.

Some of the behavior precedes Trump and is common to people who rise up through the ranks, but the extent to which he exhibits it and fails to restrain himself is what makes it pathological/rise to the level of actual NPD. I've had the unfortunate chance to be in a business with someone who 100% suffers from NPD, and after years of dealing with him, I can spot it a mile away. Everyone ends up failing at certain things and we all have our own personality failures, traits, etc., but the extent to which Trump's addled mind is on display and so consistently inflicts wounds on itself is just unparalleled by anything I've ever seen. It's not naivety or duplicity that's informing my opinion, it's both my own experience dealing with someone just like that and the expert opinion of many thousands of clinicians who've called it out, in spite of the supposed moratorium on diagnosing from afar....this guy's life is well documented enough to call a spade a spade. He's a sick man. Just ask his niece, a clinical psychologist.

 

[zeorhymer]

It's just made worse when kids are given medication for anxiety, depression, add, etc. instead of teaching them how to overcome it.

 

[synchronicity]

If you're not a manipulative, two-faced, hollow cretin, the world can sometimes be so wearying.

 

[DunDunDunpachi]

Some of the behavior precedes Trump and is common to people who rise up through the ranks, but the extent to which he exhibits it and fails to restrain himself is what makes it pathological/rise to the level of actual NPD. I've had the unfortunate chance to be in a business with someone who 100% suffers from NPD, and after years of dealing with him, I can spot it a mile away. Everyone ends up failing at certain things and we all have our own personality failures, traits, etc., but the extent to which Trump's addled mind is on display and so consistently inflicts wounds on itself is just unparalleled by anything I've ever seen. It's not naivety or duplicity that's informing my opinion, it's both my own experience dealing with someone just like that and the expert opinion of many thousands of clinicians who've called it out, in spite of the supposed moratorium on diagnosing from afar....this guy's life is well documented enough to call a spade a spade. He's a sick man. Just ask his niece, a clinical psychologist.

Ahh, my condolences that you've had to deal with it in person. I'm relieved that we're both coming from a common frame of reference. To be honest I didn't know NPD even existed until a few years ago, when we realized some family members suffered from NPD. I try not to diagnose from a distance. When it's someone that close to you, it was easy to see a devil under every rock, so to speak.

I'm not affirming or vehemently denying that Trump is NPD. My point is that Trump is neither the source for the rise of NPD nor the first one in politics. I'd argue that Obama was a covert / passive narcissist, for instance. It's a gross simplification to claim the condition is rising because Trump acts the way he does. I would argue that Trump could not have been elected without the widespread NPD behavior / uncomfortable tolerance from the culture at large.

 

[Tesseract]

gotta crush their metaphysical spines

 

[Deleted member 1159]

Ahh, my condolences that you've had to deal with it in person. I'm relieved that we're both coming from a common frame of reference. To be honest I didn't know NPD even existed until a few years ago, when we realized some family members suffered from NPD. I try not to diagnose from a distance. When it's someone that close to you, it was easy to see a devil under every rock, so to speak.

I'm not affirming or vehemently denying that Trump is NPD. My point is that Trump is neither the source for the rise of NPD nor the first one in politics. I'd argue that Obama was a covert / passive narcissist, for instance. It's a gross simplification to claim the condition is rising because Trump acts the way he does. I would argue that Trump could not have been elected without the widespread NPD behavior / uncomfortable tolerance from the culture at large.

Fair enough, but I think he managed it because he was running against Hillary Clinton and even then just barely scraped by. And I agree, there's a tendency to see the devil under every rock, and I think the word is vastly overused these days, but I don't think there's any other explanation for how Trump acts. It's definitely not 4D chess because he's definitely not smart other than in the ways narcissists are smart at manipulating people.

 

[Tesseract]

tds itt is kinda funny tho

might wanna get yourself evaluated by a psychologist

 

[Deleted member 1159]

tds itt is kinda funny tho

might wanna get yourself evaluated by a psychologist

I like you bud but TDS is super lazy.

 

[Tesseract]

I like you bud but TDS is super lazy.

is what it be, get some help

 

[Deleted member 1159]

is what it be, get some help

Doing just fine brotha

 

[Tesseract]

imagine thinking the 45th president, a man who ran against the whole system in ways bernie only dreams, and crippled countless family dynasties in his path, isn't smart

lemme know if you want me to send you a free copy of the art of the deal

[derail complete]

 

[Deleted member 1159]

imagine thinking the 45th president, a man who ran against the whole system in ways bernie only dreams, and crippled countless family dynasties in his path, isn't smart

lemme know if you want me to send you a free copy of the art of the deal

[derail complete]

It's hard to believe it could happen, until you hear him open is mouth. Alas, back to social media ruining lives.

 

[DunDunDunpachi]

It's hard to believe it could happen, until you hear him open is mouth. Alas, back to social media ruining lives.

Lemme ask you about George W Bush, if you don't mind.

Do you think he was an idiot or do you think he was "playing dumb"? I think it was the latter, because you don't get to bomb random countries while grinning with shark teeth. You play the bumbling idiot who just accidentally - whoooooops!! - turned the USA into the next energy superpower by bombing the shit out of the middle east. W Bush was some straight-up Old Order global fetish murder stuff, but he wasn't the stupid guy he played on TV.

Similarly, I don't think Trump is as brash and reactive as he plays on TV. I don't think Obama was as patient and well-spoken as he plays on TV. There's no way they can sit in that seat without a persona to hide behind. I'm not trying to discredit anyone mentioned, because holding up that mask can win elections. It's an impressive feat.

 

[lock2k]

Lemme ask you about George W Bush, if you don't mind.

Do you think he was an idiot or do you think he was "playing dumb"? I think it was the latter, because you don't get to bomb random countries while grinning with shark teeth. You play the bumbling idiot who just accidentally - whoooooops!! - turned the USA into the next energy superpower by bombing the shit out of the middle east. W Bush was some straight-up Old Order global fetish murder stuff, but he wasn't the stupid guy he played on TV.

Similarly, I don't think Trump is as brash and reactive as he plays on TV. I don't think Obama was as patient and well-spoken as he plays on TV. There's no way they can sit in that seat without a persona to hide behind. I'm not trying to discredit anyone mentioned, because holding up that mask can win elections. It's an impressive feat.

You made some very good points on how all of them are characters when on screen.

 

[Deleted member 1159]

Lemme ask you about George W Bush, if you don't mind.

Do you think he was an idiot or do you think he was "playing dumb"? I think it was the latter, because you don't get to bomb random countries while grinning with shark teeth. You play the bumbling idiot who just accidentally - whoooooops!! - turned the USA into the next energy superpower by bombing the shit out of the middle east. W Bush was some straight-up Old Order global fetish murder stuff, but he wasn't the stupid guy he played on TV.

Similarly, I don't think Trump is as brash and reactive as he plays on TV. I don't think Obama was as patient and well-spoken as he plays on TV. There's no way they can sit in that seat without a persona to hide behind. I'm not trying to discredit anyone mentioned, because holding up that mask can win elections. It's an impressive feat.

I think there's much less of a mask than it seems like you believe (not trying to put words in your mouth here). Some people are pretty smart but bad public speakers or prone to gaffes (Bush, Biden). Some people are well intentioned, but can't read the room (Obama). Some people are just complete assholes (Trump). In each case, you have presidencies (or long political careers) which are fairly well documented. I don't think there's a lot of mystery here. Bush did what he thought was right in response to 9/11, but it was heavily influenced by Dick Cheney, who he eventually stopped listening to in his second term. Obama did what he thought was right with health care reform, but basically burned all his political capital and torpedoed the rest of his agenda over it. I don't think Bush 1, Clinton, Bush 2, or Obama were stupid. Often misguided (hindsight 20/20) or just got it wrong, but any one of them could complete a sentence without turning it into a word salad of nonsense.

Bush 1? Not a huge fan of his policies, but the dude was a WWII vet and true patriot. Clinton? Seems like a sleazeball adulterer, but a Rhodes Scholar and left the country with a surplus. Bush 2? Not the best pick for the job, made some disastrous mistakes, but I think he was doing what he thought was right for the country. Obama perpetuated some of these mistakes and I never voted for him. Trump? Flat out stupid. 100%. I don't think I'm some amazing specimen but I'd run circles around him. He was born with a silver spoon up his ass, didn't get the love he needed as a child and turned into a deranged monster because he never faced any consequences in life.

 

[Tesseract]

bush's mask is that of a hella folksy, slow witted country guy

behind scenes he's drinking tea, scheming, leading among the best of them

it's all in the game

 

[Tesseract]

biden might be the first fucking full retard president in ages (the powers that be are determined to tank trump by any means necessary)

trump is a great speaker for everyday americans, not so much for indoctrinated elites who think $10 dollar words matter where $1 will do

ymmv with all this, we tend to like the personalities we like and affirm those biases after the fact

 

[Hypereides]

Yep, it's all around us. Narcissistic Personality Disorder will be the most-talked about mental disorder of the 2020s and probably beyond.

I don't quite know why it is so prevalent nowadays, but it is rooted in young childhood abuse and neglect. It's not genetic as far as we know.

I figure Social media plays a significant part in it. Its pratically become a tool for attention and validation.

I think another epidemic on the uptick will be loneliness. Seems like a large partition of society has become overly reliant on digital communication for socialization.

 

[Deleted member 1159]

ymmv with all this, we tend to like the personalities we like and affirm those biases after the fact

There's a lot of truth to this, but it doesn't change the fact that everyone who's come out of the Trump orbit agrees he's a fucking moron, and every time he opens his mouth he sounds like a fucking moron, and a good third of everyone you meet in life is a fucking moron. So it's not hard for me to believe his drivel resonates with many millions of people. Again, I'm not a fan of anyone I mentioned, and I had only registered as a Republican until 2018, but Trump is a next level retard.

 

[DunDunDunpachi]

I think there's much less of a mask than it seems like you believe (not trying to put words in your mouth here).

You have a correct reading of my standpoint, I apppreciate you echoing it back. I don't think you're putting words in my mouth.

Some people are pretty smart but bad public speakers or prone to gaffes (Bush, Biden). Some people are well intentioned, but can't read the room (Obama). Some people are just complete assholes (Trump). In each case, you have presidencies (or long political careers) which are fairly well documented. I don't think there's a lot of mystery here. Bush did what he thought was right in response to 9/11, but it was heavily influenced by Dick Cheney, who he eventually stopped listening to in his second term. Obama did what he thought was right with health care reform, but basically burned all his political capital and torpedoed the rest of his agenda over it. I don't think Bush 1, Clinton, Bush 2, or Obama were stupid. Often misguided (hindsight 20/20) or just got it wrong, but any one of them could complete a sentence without turning it into a word salad of nonsense.

Bush 1? Not a huge fan of his policies, but the dude was a WWII vet and true patriot. Clinton? Seems like a sleazeball adulterer, but a Rhodes Scholar and left the country with a surplus. Bush 2? Not the best pick for the job, made some disastrous mistakes, but I think he was doing what he thought was right for the country. Obama perpetuated some of these mistakes and I never voted for him. Trump? Flat out stupid. 100%. I don't think I'm some amazing specimen but I'd run circles around him. He was born with a silver spoon up his ass, didn't get the love he needed as a child and turned into a deranged monster because he never faced any consequences in life.

Do you think this impression of Trump is damaging to him or useful to him? Asking from the perspective / assumption that this, too, is a part of the mask. Do you believe that your viewpoint of Trump has allowed you to accurately predict his policies, his victories, and his shortfalls? Has it allowed Democrats to outwit him? Public / political reputation is not a new dance. I'm not propping him up as a genius, political or otherwise. Rather, he brings a different kind of wit to the table for which the current political paradigm has no effective counter. He's not smart because he has a high IQ. He's smart because he outsmarts his opponents. It doesn't have to be any more complicated than that.

When I think of Trump I think of Quark:

 

[Birdo]

Cancel culture itself is a huge sign that these people are sociopaths.

Imagine wanting to ruin someone's life because they said something that bothered you.....

 

[Tesseract]

There's a lot of truth to this, but it doesn't change the fact that everyone who's come out of the Trump orbit agrees he's a fucking moron, and every time he opens his mouth he sounds like a fucking moron, and a good third of everyone you meet in life is a fucking moron. So it's not hard for me to believe his drivel resonates with many millions of people. Again, I'm not a fan of anyone I mentioned, and I had only registered as a Republican until 2018, but Trump is a next level retard.

if trump is a retard, where does that leave the rest of us?

you don't get to sit in america's iron throne without overwhelming smarts