Zoe
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It's one thing to say he's a troll, but he's literally saying one of the purposes of the movie is to address that.
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It's one thing to say he's a troll, but he's literally saying one of the purposes of the movie is to address that.
Source? Are you sure you're not confusing Kishimoto's mini-series with the upcoming novels (the first of which will be about Kakashi)?
Well, that's what he's claiming, anyway. I'd still call him a poor writer. I don't think he really knew where he was going (see that scene where Sai explained how even he "could tell that Naruto was really in love with Sakura"... and now, according to the movie, nope, never was, actually!).
Kishimoto also claims all the poor Japanese grammar is there "absolutely on purpose". Y'know, 'cause that makes the dialogue "more striking and memorable". Suuuure, Kishimoto.
"It's all a clever ruuuuuse!"
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TheRealTalker
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I thought they were novels too but apparently Kishi is illustrating too
:/
likely either it is indeed mini novels but with some art in the end or it is one shot chapters
Zoe
Member
Where did you read this?
TheRealTalker
Banned
here
tumblr above quote link
http://papasuke-mamakura.tumblr.com/post/104408544014/narutos-novel-about-sakura
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Also some images of Kishi's rough work when he was brainstorming the series
if you wanna know Kurama (or whatever he was called back then... since the tailed fox was Naruto's pop or something) was one of the kages
Edit: THAT or the third was a dog
lololooololololololol
also Minato looks like a psycho
all kishi done with that interview besides rubbing salt to wounds is proving my reading comprehension remains ahead of the pack. You didn't fool me Kishi.
Though now I guess i should feel pity for the NS fans that were fooled by Masashi Kishimoto, the japanese version of vince russo.
Though now I guess i should feel pity for the NS fans that were fooled by Masashi Kishimoto, the japanese version of vince russo.
ashecitism
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So instead of developing the intended, main pairing, he fooled around with another pairing (while using the hero's dead parents as a tool for that, mind you) to throw off another fandom and is now using the movie to show how the planned pairing came to be. Basically admits to suckering the NH fandom into buying an extra movie ticket to resolve something he could have...no, should have resolved on-panel. All the while the movie is shitting on characters (including the titular character) and retcons things in favor of a satellite fan favorite woobie moeblob character. Sensational :lmao A hollow victory. No true fan should be happy about this.
Welfare
Member
We get a movie out of it, more action (somewhat) and something canon that is outside the manga. I'm happy.
TheRealTalker
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Welfare
Member
SasuSaku hentai film.
ashecitism
Member
He equates Hinata's love to his love for ramen. He might be dense and a knucklehead, but never ever was he portrayed this demented when it came to bonds and feelings. Not to mention that part about him only loving Sakura because of his rivalry with Sasuke. That makes him look very shallow and makes Sakura look like a prize. He was always portrayed to be mature about this, but had to thrown under the bus for the sake of princess Hinata.
I'm not even a fan of his anymore, but this is appalling.
And I'm no NS fan, said this countless times now.
I'm not even a fan of his anymore, but this is appalling.
And I'm no NS fan, said this countless times now.
Snacks the sober sea lion
Member
Man, they really needed to have Sasuke go back and confront Konoha about all of their bullshit. Have Naruto actually have to make tough choices rather than this "Destroy Konoha" silliness that makes Sasuke stupid and wrong instead of having a legitimate reason to be upset. OH WELL.
TheRealTalker
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lol at the Hinata being the moeblob woobie blooby boo
Zoe
Member
here
They're still short stories. That just means he will draw things like the cover and maybe some insert pages.
Assuming that's in order, it will be Shikamaru, Akatsuki, Gaara, Sakura, and then Konoha.
ashecitism
Member
But that's what she is. Pairing fodder, shrinking violet, yamato nadeshiko archtype which Pierrot likes to play up. This whole movie is a pity party for her.
TheRealTalker
Banned
the fact that a ton of people like this character more then the "heroine" even though she had a minuscule amount of story time present in the series speaks volumes
sure she was shy..... but she helped Naruto multiple times when something serious is occurring and she is present
Having a movie for her isn't really that stupid.... she is the person who ends up with the protag.... she has a large unknown clan backstory connected to the sages and she had a ton of other things that were unknown that needed to be addressed
There were of course other ways to solve a ton of unknown questions via movies but Kishi chose to end the pairing timeline (which he has planned a long time ago for the protag)
likely he wanted to at least resolve his NaruHina idea he had before wrapping things up
you're right
I read a translation with just the Kishi illustrating bit so I assumed it would be mangalike chapters
that or some pages in the back of the book
Welfare
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Well, Sakura was just as much Pairing fodder as Hinata was. Pierrot (and others) just like one fodder more.
People dislike Sakura because Kishi took every opportunity to shit on her and take two steps backward every time she took one forward, even at times when it didn't make sense. Hinata is more appealing because she shows up every now and then but not often enough for Kishi to ruin her for the sake of being a female. Kishi could have scaled back on Sakura and expanded on Hinata's story years ago if he was a competent writer, instead he continued to let her character fall to the wayside and only show up when Naruto needed a pep talk, Kishi ignored her character throughout the Manga (despite claiming that NH was endgame) and Naruto wasn't thinking about her when she wasn't in his presence.
I would have loved it if he had switched Sakura's role with Hinata's in terms of panels given and proximity to Naruto earlier in the manga so people could see that the problem was Kishi and not Sakura.
This is nonsense, Sakura's character could have gone in several directions without being paired off and it would have been believable. She could even have died and that would have been acceptable.
If Hinata wasn't paired off with Naruto what could Kishi have done with her character?
Naruto and mature in the same sentence... forget w/e yer smoking, what the hell have you been reading this whole time?
Naruto was 12 at the start and younger in flashbacks, unless your name is itachi, kids that age have such qualities such as pettiness and shallow simply cuz they don't know any better. especially in the case of Naruto who is a complete idiot when he isn't fighting.
seriously, what the hell have you been reading this whole time? fanfiction?
TheRealTalker
Banned
Seeing Sakura always go back to her Sasuke-kun self when Sasuke is ever involved in any form just made me not care that much for her character really...
Sure she had great moments but she usually turned back to her usual self after what not chapters so much so that I just put the assumption down that it was her character
but please don't go yammering about what if scenarios seeing as we don't know for sure if he'd do the same with Hinata
Kishi neglected multiple characters and their story and overly focused on some
he wasn't good at managing multiple characters compared to other mangaka who did a better job at it....
There was a post from a fellow gaffer in the last thread that gave a good point with some examples showing that Kishi made/shitted on multiple characters that people had better expectations for.... it wasn't only secluded to females
Get of of your bubble mate.... Just because you learnt that Sakura was not some Goddess character doesn't mean the author is a sexist
Obito rants about Rin all day and Shino doesn't get any panel time at all! Nothing is exclusive to one particular group just because your prized jewel didn't get what you
wanted
I am being harsh but the same bickering is always being used
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found one of the good shutdowns a Gaffer posted
I don't give a shit about Sakura being a Goddess Character(?) whatever that means, I was addressing why Hinata is popular. It's easy to love a character when they're as shallowly written as Hinata who's only utilised when it's time to worship the Hero of the story (ie, the person all the readers love). Not to mention all the ideal waifu qualities Kishi's target audience is prone to lap up.
& yeah I'm confident Hinata would have been been more useless seeing that she could barely speak in Naruto's presence as a kid and she didn't have any notable skills in battle in shippuden. She would have been off to the side crying out for Naruto Kun or in the fray shielding Naruto with her body.
ashecitism
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The fact that a ton of people bring up how big her tits are and a nice personality to fuck speaks volumes. We can run these circles if you want.
And she's always there when something big shit happens, but she was never there for him in his early childhood. The same way Sasuke didn't reach out to Naruto and vice versa. Kishi did a weak job with these.
A movie shouldn't fill in the blanks. Kishi is writing a manga, he should write his story there, not rely an a movie studio. This is poor planning and writing.
I wasn't talking about Sakura....
ummm yes? The way he treasures his bonds? The way he left Sakura and Sasuke alone in the hospital? When he made the promise to bring Sasuke back to Sakura even though he liked her (apparently because he considered Sasuke a rival . Yeah bringing him back in that context sure makes sense)? Those were among the more mature scenes from part 1 by him. Who's been reading the series again?
"12 year old are shallow" is a weak argument.
TheRealTalker
Banned
and you clearly know that right?
OF COURSE YOU DO
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I am being an ass but seriously Kishi made Sakura what she is.... if it was some hated agenda or something we will never know but cheaply tossing the word sexist around or "this female too" is just grasping for straws
-Pyromaniac-
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story is finished until spring when he does the mini series with the kids!
Welfare
Member
Now THIS is nonsense. Hinata's character could've gone in any direction without being paired off.
TheRealTalker
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the people who just talk about physical attributes are either trolls or just joking
there were a lot of people who liked Hinata way before shippuden (heck she had better interactions prior to shippuden)
I agree that Kishi is to blame for a ton of things not being addressed properly (Kaguya being one of them)
but I am not going to complain and whine about a movie that is addressing one of the things he neglected.... seriously what would be the point
"Kishi didn't explain this and that".... a movie is there to explain it that thing
"oh but why didn't you do it before?"
I'm just going to be grateful that it was at least finally addressed in some way or form
better late then never
Like what? What was Hinata doing in the manga besides trying to be brave for Naruto kun? Her father had already turned to Hanabi to be the heir because she wasn't up to snuff and she didn't have any personal interests in anything (besides Naruto of course)
TheRealTalker
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her kindness was her weakness
she trained to get recognized by her Father not only Naruto.... she helps out her Team and has concern for multiple people
if she was so Naruto centric she would've ditched her NInja training and just stalk the dude
is the ramen crap a actually quote from the movie or is it some rumor thing
if it is legit then man Kishi could've handled that better
Brawndo Addict
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If Kishi doesn't want to use romance to actually develop characters or advance the plot, whatever, that's fine, he can even troll if we wants to. But he needs to restrain himself from making romantic conflict or awareness so explicit that he has to trot out bullshit explanations to rationalize avoiding the natural consequences. Just make Naruto lose his memory after transforming into nine-tails so that he can't remember the confession at all, don't actually say when The Last takes place to avoid the absurdity of a two year status quo, those are the kind of typical 'outs' one would expect, not crap about "I thought you meant love in a Ramen kind of way".
We saw her feeling down about her family issues in part one and then what? It's been all Naruto Kun since then.
TacticalFox88
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This.
There is nothing wrong with NH as a pairing.
But he chose the wrong way to being it to canon.
Mothefucker should've had Hinata played a major part of the story, but NOPE, he chooses to troll instead.
DryEyeRelief
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I think the NH fandom takes romance about as seriously as Kishimoto intended it to be taken.
*points to thread title*
In my case, I was satisfied with chapter 615 by itself. Because it was about more than just some foolhardy scene where a girl feeds Naruto ramen, or plays hard to get, or does some sort of tsundere cliche or whatever people constitute as "development". It conveyed the main theme of the story. Never giving up, with a poignant scene. That is why I read Naruto.
I don't need this manga be some sort of pairing soap opera. Actually I'm glad that it isn't. The Promise of Lifetime bullshit is one of the main reasons why the Gokage summit arc was one of the lowest points of the series.
TacticalFox88
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Seriously though, how fucking stupid do you have to be to develop a pairing as a red herring and not focus on your intended pair by even given them casual screen time, doesn't even need to be romantic, just them talking doing whatever.
And some are satisfied with this? Come on, now. You already have canonization. You need to start looking at this for what it is.
And some are satisfied with this? Come on, now. You already have canonization. You need to start looking at this for what it is.
Yes he did treasure his bonds. however, there is no doubt but he could have saved himself a lot of trouble if he were wiser at his younger age, especially with sasuke. too petty and only ended up becoming friends as they became team 7 and had moments together in order to properly bond.
Naruto had a lot of growth and development prior to that Sasuke and Sakura moment at the hospital. I'm arguing @ the start of the manga and to the flashbacks of Naruto in his younger days, he was a petty, shallow kid. add to his suffering of isolation and lack of parents, it would be incredible that he wouldn't be such. You're claiming stuff he didn't have at the start bar the bonds. Naruto's crush on Sakura and rivalry with Sasuke started before chapter 1. started in his younger years where he was much less learned, and lacking all the development that you're arguing he has now because that growth didn't happen yet.
Sakura said in the movie that Naruto only liked her because of her like of Sasuke. @ 12 years of age this doesn't make sense even for Naruto. But remember, he started his crush on sakura at a younger age as is the rivalry with sasuke. around 8-9ish, is very reasonable. kids will be kids. You're telling me Naruto had the same sensitivity and development he wouldn't develop until after the manga started and played out up until that hospital scene? You're not only reaching, you're desperately reaching and it is embarrassing to witness.
Naruto has had fantastic development as a person and as a ninja from chapter 1 and onwards. prior to that. Naruto couldn't develop positively because the things that he had to help him like Kakashi, Sasuke as a teammate, Jiraiya for some examples weren't there for him. he was mostly alone with only Iruka (who he didn't see how positive an influence he was until later on) and to some extent, Teuchi.
I will not waste more of my time with you. go read your fanfictions.
The NH moments though few, was a matter of quality vs quantity and imo, quality won out even if Naruto was not very respondent. But I came to expect less with Kishi. I enjoy naruto for what it is. I cannot enjoy it if I put it upto the standards of HxH or say Negima!. Kishi will always has his weakponts. and imo in regards to Sakura, I think it didn't help that Sakura was made the heroine by the editors. She would naturally get a lot of panel time. Kishi decided to just "fuck it" and go the route that he did rather than develop her properly. it also may or may not have helped that since sakura was not of his design, that he may have an agenda against her which played a part.
Personally, I'm gonna go with he hates sakura considering all things. so much burials, surely not a coincidence :lol:
TheRealTalker
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this wholeheartedly
well the likely explanation to this is the fact that she had even less screen time in Part 2 then 1
so the only times Kishi wanted to reinstate her (that isn't a major scene) was a small panel were she sees the protag and obviously says his name before that said protag runs off with his team before we could get any more screen time with her
other then Team 10.... the Konoha 11 barely got some story driven screen time
Mobile Suit Gooch
Grundle: The Awakening
Welp.
She's reaching deeper. http://www.chatte-georgiana.com/201...ncel-their-ticket-reservations-for-the-movie/
lol
She's reaching deeper. http://www.chatte-georgiana.com/201...ncel-their-ticket-reservations-for-the-movie/
lol my god, narusaku fans cant hold it together
DryEyeRelief
Member
You mean that trolling was prioritized over character development? Yeah it's disappointing and it's more appropriate for the beginning of the series than its end. To compare, it would be like if the Rurouni Kenshin manga held off
Kaoru in favor of Megumi
In Kishimoto's shoes I would have done it differently. But at the same time I take it for what it is, because I can see what he was going for. Like you get to the end of a certain chapter and Naruto's last line is, "I hate people who lie to themselves." I got a good kick out of that one.
Welfare
Member
Wow.
And why the hell does she use that scene of Sakura giving Naruto CPR as a way of saying NaruSaku was endgame?
TheRealTalker
Banned
So there are some new Naruto SD (Rock Lee Springtime of Youth) chapters out where it focuses on Team Taka/Hebi
No Lee involved just Sasuke and his group doing goofy stuff.... there is a final chapter were they go to see the LAST movie
all this is in raw and Chinese... no translations
No Lee involved just Sasuke and his group doing goofy stuff.... there is a final chapter were they go to see the LAST movie
all this is in raw and Chinese... no translations
You don't give CPR to someone unless you truly love that person.
(Actual argument, no /s)
TacticalFox88
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