There's no room on a Lebron and Kyrie led team for a small who can't shoot. You could shorten that to just Lebron really, but Kyrie's game is a lot of penetration and kick as well. There's like no reason at all to play him in the the playoffs when one of those two will be on the floor at all times.
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NBA 2016-2017 Season |OT| What do the Liberty Bell and Ben Simmons have in Common?
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There's no room on a Lebron and Kyrie led team for a small who can't shoot. You could shorten that to just Lebron really, but Kyrie's game is a lot of penetration and kick as well. There's like no reason at all to play him in the the playoffs when one of those two will be on the floor at all times.
It's not an MVP award, it shouldn't matter that the team is bad. He's a bonafide star and I'd rather see him there over Love, Kemba, and Millsap.
Gotdatmoney
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He doesn't play a heavy workload and it's his first season. I know everyone wants to say winning doesn't matter but I mean. . . .It has always mattered. And when the coaches gotta choose between repeated performers who are winners and a rookie it's an obvious conclusion.
MetalFearSolid
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Embiid got robbed.
sir_kevith
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I don't even think Lillard cares about it this year as much as last year. Last year there was a lot of noise about him missing it and he aired publically about it. This year I think he's more worried about the team underperforming. Hopefully he comes back strong as he did last year.
I would love to see McCollum in it though! The dude is just an insanely efficient scorer and has flashy handles. He doesn't pass or get to the line much so it's fun to watch. Exactly the type of thing you wanna see in an all-star game.
I would love to see McCollum in it though! The dude is just an insanely efficient scorer and has flashy handles. He doesn't pass or get to the line much so it's fun to watch. Exactly the type of thing you wanna see in an all-star game.
KG has a regular segment and he usually has a different guest each week.
KG is and I've fast forwarded through all of his segments. Not even Randy Moss could give me pause to save that shit.
Gotdatmoney
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Is this an actual argument?
Martylepiaf
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manzoman96
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Excellent response.
Also I still have not seen one sleeved jersey that looked good.
NBA should have a Twitter MVP.
Ninja Scooter
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Let the fans watch who they want to watch. It's an exhibition. The players were the ones stupid enough to let the owners tie bonuses to an exhibition game, let them deal with that, i just want to see LeBron tossing lobs to Embiid in a completely meaningless game.
BlackGhost
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MetalFearSolid
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Amazing.
Gotdatmoney
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I'm fine with that if the argument is, "let the fans just vote in all the players". But if you are going to leave it to the coaches then I don't buy the argument "oh none of that matters, they should just pick for entertainment".
If they are going to leave it in the hands of the coaches then what are yall expecting? They will use no merit what so ever?
Hyperactivity
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I guess conley is his main competitor. Yeah, now that CP3 is injured, I guess it makes much sense. If you put CP3 as the other backup guard, Klay making it as a guard makes sense. I would put Gobert in over him for sure if the wild card was up for discussion.
Then again, I guess I was also thinking back to when Lillard+CJ wasn't so obviously a gaping defensive weakness for a backcourt
friskykillface
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Millsap? trash
Embiid got robbed
Embiid got robbed
Hyperactivity
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This is NOT about the playoffs. I don't think LeBron is as worried about this squad in the playoffs.
Delly averaged 24 minutes last year during the regular season on the Cavs. He then averaged 12 in the playoffs, decreasing each round until he had about 8 minutes per game in the finals
This isn't about the playoffs. This is about getting there.
http://www.basketball-reference.com/teams/CLE/2017.html
How many shooters do the Cavs have? I agree, during the playoffs, LeBron will probably play almost every minute and be the only ball handler they really need, but for the regular season he could use this. He's averaging the most minutes in the NBA, so even if he rests during some games, he's still playing alot. Cavs are also hurting right now because of Jr being out.
Rondo is made much much worse if he doesn't have shooters around him. There will be 3-4 people on the line at all times for the Cavs. Yes, him not having a jumpshot means the opponent can sag off of him, but he would have a ton of space to operate and cut with, and a ton of shooters to pad his assist totals, and a legit shot at the championship to try and force him to play nice.
To clarify, im thinking more of Cavs getting him for another one of those damn trade exceptions, especially now that Rondo has (defensibly) called out wade and butler
Ninja Scooter
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man that article on ESPN.com about Boogie makes him sound like an immature, coddled, insufferable cunt. I'm not sure he's ever going to be a part of a winning culture.
Is that really a surprise?
The issue here is that you think Embiid hasn't played like an all star. His stats are arguably better than Millsap's. I disagree with the notion that someone has to earn their stripes because deserving rookies should always be in play for the all star teams.
Gotdatmoney
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Please point out where I said that.
Hyperactivity
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Melo for a non-clippers big 3, quite possibly Austin rivers + ???? is a possibility...
Man, boogie is so damn awesome, watch him off court or when interacting with fans
Will get some of the shit he's done out. Used to hate boogie till I actually started following him this year.
Man, boogie is so damn awesome, watch him off court or when interacting with fans
Will get some of the shit he's done out. Used to hate boogie till I actually started following him this year.
friskykillface
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Melo for Crowder , shitty second round picks
Do it Ainge
Do it Ainge
manzoman96
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Yeah it was a really bad snub. Regardless if you don't think rookies should get in or if you think he hasn't played enough (which are both dumb arguments), his impact on each game for the Sixers is far greater than Millsap's impact on the Hawks.
Oh well. Trust the process. At least we'll see him and Dario together in the rising stars game.
Also side note: The Jazz are nice.
Straight up bullshit that Embiid isn't an All-Star. He's put up better numbers in less cumulative playing time. Earn his stripes? Wtf does that even mean? There is no waiting period for whether you should be an All-Star. Are you one of the best 6-7 players at your position? Yes? Then you are an All-Star. And Embiid has shown through any sort of statistical measure that he is. Minutes played should have nothing to do with it unless you are at a really low total or something.
And the argument that you have to be on a "good" team? Completely silly but even so, it's not like the Sixers are irrelevant. They are a borderline playoff team. They have only 3 more loses than the Bucks. Yet Giannis is a (deserved) unanimous all-star starter.
Plus Embiid would just be a lot of fun. Boo to the coaches, writers and players for keeping him off the squad. Thanks for nothing.
And the argument that you have to be on a "good" team? Completely silly but even so, it's not like the Sixers are irrelevant. They are a borderline playoff team. They have only 3 more loses than the Bucks. Yet Giannis is a (deserved) unanimous all-star starter.
Plus Embiid would just be a lot of fun. Boo to the coaches, writers and players for keeping him off the squad. Thanks for nothing.
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Melo has a no trade clause and specifically named the Cavs and Clippers as team he would waive it for.
Monochromaticx
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Oh man. Why did he punch a chair?
Dude has been playing really well this season #underrated
Hyperactivity
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Next year there are going to be ALOT of first or second time all stars.
Jokic, Porzingis, and KAT all enter their 3rd year.
Embiid + Simmons get to try and make the 76ers a contender
Rudy Gobert was already a snub.
Giannis will probably make it back, maybe Parker joins him.
Basically a bunch of 3rd years plus Embiid.
Also Lillard/McCollum if the Blazers' super young squad can improve (they DO have a young squad guys, they'll get better...)
Jokic, Porzingis, and KAT all enter their 3rd year.
Embiid + Simmons get to try and make the 76ers a contender
Rudy Gobert was already a snub.
Giannis will probably make it back, maybe Parker joins him.
Basically a bunch of 3rd years plus Embiid.
Also Lillard/McCollum if the Blazers' super young squad can improve (they DO have a young squad guys, they'll get better...)
Ninja Scooter
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the guard position out West is going to be tough for any young guys lke Lillard, Mccollum, Bledsoe (who is quietly having a great year) or Booker to break through. Steph, Westbrook and Harden are basically automatics. CP3 is nearly that. Conley and Klay are out ythere as well.
Atomic Playboy
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I understand the argument for Embiid, and frankly I'd rather see him in it than Millsap (solid fundamentals win games but they suck in an All-Star game), but you don't miss one third of the season and make the All-Star game unless you are a superstar on the level of Kobe or LeBron (in which case you probably get voted in even if you aren't actually in the league any more) or you are the only famous player from your country (Zaza or Yao). The coaches have always, ALWAYS rewarded winning by throwing a bone to the teams near the top of the standings even if they are there because they play well together, not because they have a breakout star. Fortunately, as long as he stays healthy, Embiid has a rich history of All-Star games to look forward to in his career; dude is going to be a beast.
Hyperactivity
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Rondo might actually save the Bulls by being the one to make them drop the farce.
I'm more excited about the big men.
Man, Jokic is so great offensively right now. Nearly had a triple double tonight. More people should watch the Nuggets for him. He isn't a rim blocking, dunking center, but his game is a different kind of adaptation to the current NBA. Passes the ball so damn well.
I'm more excited about the big men.
Man, Jokic is so great offensively right now. Nearly had a triple double tonight. More people should watch the Nuggets for him. He isn't a rim blocking, dunking center, but his game is a different kind of adaptation to the current NBA. Passes the ball so damn well.
Ninja Scooter
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Zubac Shakur with another double double out here. The kid can play.