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NBA2K11 Season 10 Xbox 360 League Thread of Hope and Redemption
- Thread starter Smokey
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anachronous_one
Prologue Type S Alpha
Nightz, I can get another butt whipping in tonight before the advance if you want. I wouldn't mind playing it out, but there's little doubt in my mind that you're taking this series.
Hit me on AIM!
Hit me on AIM!
Future PhaZe
Member
DCX said:
2k12 future
FIRSTNONGAFEXCLUSIVEMIRITE
WITNESS2K9
Member
we all know it should be the clippers going against the lakers in the conference finals
Future PhaZe
Member
i'm pretty sure cb forgot this game existed
just to let u kno smokey a chip aint even up for grabs this year...the season is a wash, so i dont want to hear shit from u in 2k12 about what u did this season. That means that the undefeated regular season is forfeited as well.
enjoy your fake ass ring though son!
just to let u kno smokey a chip aint even up for grabs this year...the season is a wash, so i dont want to hear shit from u in 2k12 about what u did this season. That means that the undefeated regular season is forfeited as well.
enjoy your fake ass ring though son!
ecnal
Member
ph33nix said:
pretty sure 99% of the league doesn't give a fuck.
notice how excited and active people were pre-patch. then 2K sobered us up with the patch and reverted the gameplay back to 2K10.
i followed people's VIP tendencies throughout the entire season and, sure enough, the majority of people reverted back to the lame ass tactics of 2K10 after the patch -- VIP don't lie.
nothing changes year to year -- the game and the league (unfortunately) are stale.
WITNESS2K9
Member
how do you follow somebody else's VIP tendencies??
ecnal said:
tbh i don't even know what the lame tactics really are, it just felt like people weren't really playing basketball and instead were doing some crazy secret shit that would unlock "hit this bullshit jumpshot!" code or "make his defender have the IQ of hakim warrick!" or something like that
ecnal
Member
ph33nix said:
same shit as always my friend, 2K took us back to 2K10/9 gameplay logic.
when 2K11 first came out, people couldn't just waltz in and create very specific scenarios that stack multiple tendencies and categorical ratings together. this basically stopped a lot of annoying "2K-ness" because people would actually have to be skilled to get in to positions/situations where shots or certain AI logics would give the offensive player a ridiculous advantage (see: contested shots going in due to "stacking" tendencies and categorical ratings).
after patch, that body up animation -- occurs when a defender correctly anticipates the offensive player's next step -- no longer occurs if the offensive player has good handles and or speed (85+ rating in either category will give the offensive player the "im sliding past you even though you're in good position" animation).
it's why every single person whose VIP profile i was familiar with pre-patch had their isolation tendency sky rocket. it's why the best handful of players in this league have "quick iso" as their top play; because you can no longer stop isolation situations if the ball handler is rated high in the aforementioned categories.
league play right now is almost entirely "lets see you stop this near unstoppable play that im going to run 20+ times in a game" or "lets see you stop my isolation sets i'm using with a player that has 85+ speed/handle."
to you specific points
contested shots: stacked tendencies with ratings. e.g. player has 99 pick and roll from top of the key, the same player has a 90 pull up from mid-range, and the player's hot spot is mid range. you'll see that same scenario 20+ times in a game and those shots hit at an extremely high percentage.
defensive ai logic: just like it was in 2k10 -- specific points on the court just fuck up rotation logic. some plays will also fuck up logic 100% of the time. there are a number of plays that you call quick isolation out of that fuck up rotations/defensive ai as well.
WITNESS2K9
Member
oh you mean Chris Paul torching me in the first round on near perfect defense??:lol :lol
ecnal
Member
its not really cheese though. IMO cheese has always been about exploiting anomalies within the game logic -- e.g. the old LT tap you could do in 2k10/9 that would put you in a continuous loop'd animation.
"stacking" tendencies on top of categorical ratings is literally playing the game for what it is. there's nothing that can really be done about it because many of these things look legit and they're based on the core game logic.
even miniscule shit like running JJ redick off screens and giving him the ball at midrange stacks multiple tendencies (run off screens, catch and shoot, etc) on categorical ratings (mid-range, offensive awareness, hands, etc).
basically we've been playing the same game together for like 3-4 iterations so we're all aware of these aformentioned scenarios that result in an extremely successful offense. meaning the majority of players in this league have figured out the formula required to be successful -- the deliniating factor between the best and the rest being execution and/or a better understanding of how these situations can be created.
that's why i think the league has become stale; because, regardless of who anyone plays (excluding some rookies maybe), you'll see the same scenarios over and over: isolation situations with quick ball handlers in conjunction with plays that are either unstoppable or nearly unstoppable. this is particularly true when you look at the better players in the league.
i remember seeing a few dagger shots from CP3 in your vids. most of those looked like offensive clutch scenarios. i don't think smokey turned off offensive clutch this season.
"stacking" tendencies on top of categorical ratings is literally playing the game for what it is. there's nothing that can really be done about it because many of these things look legit and they're based on the core game logic.
even miniscule shit like running JJ redick off screens and giving him the ball at midrange stacks multiple tendencies (run off screens, catch and shoot, etc) on categorical ratings (mid-range, offensive awareness, hands, etc).
basically we've been playing the same game together for like 3-4 iterations so we're all aware of these aformentioned scenarios that result in an extremely successful offense. meaning the majority of players in this league have figured out the formula required to be successful -- the deliniating factor between the best and the rest being execution and/or a better understanding of how these situations can be created.
that's why i think the league has become stale; because, regardless of who anyone plays (excluding some rookies maybe), you'll see the same scenarios over and over: isolation situations with quick ball handlers in conjunction with plays that are either unstoppable or nearly unstoppable. this is particularly true when you look at the better players in the league.
WITNESS2K9 said:
i remember seeing a few dagger shots from CP3 in your vids. most of those looked like offensive clutch scenarios. i don't think smokey turned off offensive clutch this season.
WITNESS2K9
Member
guys like marcus thorton and marco bellinelli are basically ray allen in 2k...im fine with how the league is..I just want more people in the league who are serious about the league
Dark FaZe said:
Smokey is so into winning dude decides to press Westbrook at mid court as I was taking the ball up and forced me into a back court violation because I stuck in an animation. I see how it is now gonna have to unleash every cheesy attack I know to combat Smokey from here on out. It is a shame I don't have the years of training in this deadly art!
I wish injuries were on too because I would thug the shit out of Air Bud right now. It ain't right when he can stand 5 feet behind the 3 point arc on a screen and drain a 3! Off balance shots swish. Let us not talk about Yao either. Can't wait till that overrated monster is out of his grasp.
Future PhaZe
Member
WITNESS2K9 said:
I think the chances another season this year is unlikely...shit just got stale for whatever reason, and Ecnal pointed out some reasons why. I think that next year we should search for guys outside of GAF..hell we had players this year that not only didn't play but didn't post...why not have a variety of guys that are reall into the game be involved. Some of their reactions can be posted on GAF, and there is obviously the AIM/LiveVids/2kforum aspect as well that can be used for communication.
Another point about activity: League play should start almost immediately. If the game is in shitty shape then we just have to do our best to play through it. People are so hyped each year when it first launches, then we wait 2 months before we start league and by then its basically holidays/new years where nobody wants to do anything but spit game and smoke weed.
We'll see how the 2k12 product is.
MrBob said:
I d'd you up at half court and you backed across the line. I was pressuring you heavily at half court all game because that's what I do at times. You see me at the half court line and you run right into my guy and go back. So yes, I'm going to take that.
btw gg (game ), sorry about the pause as i mentioned fam just arrived and i went to help them with their luggage. i'm down to play tomorrow if you're around.
as far as what you all are saying i agree for the most part. i really haven't had a problem with the game post patch, but apparently most of you do. yeah the game was changed some, but after adjusting to it i was fine. we can sit and whine about the state of the game after the patch, or adapt and play. i chose the latter, but i can see why some of you can't/don't want to.
going forward i'll probably reduce the number of people involved. i always try and keep it as open as possible but it's apparent that some are way more active than others. i know who these people are and we'll see going forward.
what pisses me off are people refusing to play in the playoffs or just up and quit in the playoffs. if that's the case then you should've just sat on the sidelines all season long. to wait until the postseason starts to just bail is some bs imo.
anyway i will *sim the lakers/hornets series to the finals if they aren't going to play. bob and i are at game 4 of our series and should be done in the next couple of days.
ecnal
Member
ph33nix said:
true shooting % is probably the most frustrating experience in 2K.
if you think missing wide open shots and hitting contested ones is bad now, play a game with true shooting % on.
it works perfectly if you sim a franchise -- you get really accurate stats -- but it just doesn't really work as intended (at least how i would have assumed) when you play yourself or versus others.
it also wouldn't work well in leagues because stacked teams would always win -- players like kobe/wade/lbj will always shoot a higher percentage than lesser players, regardless if the lesser player is getting better looks.
however, i wouldn't mind running a test league with it on though and see how it plays out. could be a nice solution to a lot of dumb shit (in theory).
Smokey said:
difference of thought on the game, i guess.
it's really not an issue of adaptation because, if you followed VIP profiles throughout the season, it's pretty obvious that the majority of the league adjusted to the patch -- especially a handful of players (you, cb, phaze, dcx, chars, and myself).
my issue is the patch reverted back to the bad defensive ai logic of 2K10, which heavily favors isolation situations. couple that with the toned down body up animation and we might as well be playing 2K10 with updated rosters and playbooks.
perhaps worst of all, it has also created a scenario in which everyone copy-cats playbooks and play styles due to how ridiculously successful certain situations are. i wouldn't play a 30 game season just playing you, so why would i play 30 games versus a bunch of people all running variations of the same offense?
lol, after a while I didn't know what the fuck to do so I started running Magic/Pippen shit for LeBron and Jordan shit for Wade :lol
By the way I am convinced that my internet was shit. I'm in Texas now with my parents' Verizon Fios...fucking god damn. Haven't had any issues in any games. My connection in Brooklyn is just about as fast, but I'm beginning to think my router there was just fucking terrible. Hopefully I can get this shit sorted out.
Also, I want to play some god damn NBA Jam with you people.
By the way I am convinced that my internet was shit. I'm in Texas now with my parents' Verizon Fios...fucking god damn. Haven't had any issues in any games. My connection in Brooklyn is just about as fast, but I'm beginning to think my router there was just fucking terrible. Hopefully I can get this shit sorted out.
Also, I want to play some god damn NBA Jam with you people.
ecnal said:
Now this is one thing I have noticed. Most of the time I call a set play and only really use ISO when it's the end of a quarter (much like you see in the NBA).
Bob and I have finished our series, so if Nightz and CB aren't going to play...then I guess I'll sim it later on to the finals.
Smokey you are lucky my friend that I had to play you rusty off of a two week break! You know the ins and outs from years of training but I could have used the reps! Rox margin of victory in the 4 game sweep:
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10
1
Look at that number collapse. Getting back to normal form as the series was over. Got the Rockettes in my cross hairs now.
Now you are finally convinced? :lol Everyone has been telling you this all season!
45
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Look at that number collapse. Getting back to normal form as the series was over. Got the Rockettes in my cross hairs now.
ph33nix said:
Now you are finally convinced? :lol Everyone has been telling you this all season!
pistolpete2940
Member
When's season 2 start? I'm coppin this on 360 and I'd like to play if there's any space.