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Need for Speed won't have microtransactions (free DLC planned, no paid DLC for now)
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Neuromancer
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No cockpit view and only night racing doesn't help.
Now this is what makes me flip my shit, aside all the problems previously mentioned, just because you are the worst type of consumer ever that plays a game only if it is a couple of years old at best don't assume that everyone is a closed-minded fool like you and don't even try to use that kind of stupid ass reasoning as an excuse.
There's ton of people that play valid games sometime classics that are even multiple decades old and now because anti consumer practices and blind idiots as consumers people might not be able to do that anymore.
People that settle down to pay 60+$ to rent a game for a couple of years with the clause of never been able to play the game ever again are the true cancer of this industry, not the publishers that only try to maximize their business profit.
Oh and just as an addendum: Their claim was stupid because they declared that 30fps was "incredibly smooth" which is obviously not.
amnesia
Member
Are you serious? I hate racing at night.
VibratingDonkey
Member
Games have been evolving post-launch since patches became a thing in the late 90's. What is this game doing that makes it actually fundamentally not function without a constant internet connection?
Microsoft communicated and demonstrated Crackdown 3's destruction/physics calculations being offloaded, explaining both why a persistent connection is required for this to function, and how it helps improve the game. Meanwhile, EA's "Evolving changing ongoing experience" and "the benefits are nice" is a bunch of vague, meaningless fluff.
And
what the hell are you talking about?
EA's communication on this is frustrating garbage.
Me too, but this game does it differently.
Most night scenes in games are black with poor lighting.
This is bright due to city lights etc and looks very realistic.
https://help.ea.com/en/article/online-pass-has-been-discontinued/
Now I don't believe that they decided to do away with the Online Pass simply due to player feedback. I believe they crunched the numbers, took into effect the bad press from it, and being the worst company of all times decided it wasn't worth the little profit they gained. Perhaps it was their plan all along to get rid of it but instead make all their games have mandatory always-online bullshit.
Either way, they since they have said this themselves, they set precedent that feedback can affect their decisions. So it's important to keep letting them know that this always-online system is not gonna fly. I don't understand why they didn't learn from that Sim City debacle. Someone phone Peter Moore of EA and drop truth bombs on 'im. There is no good reason to not include an offline mode. Rent, buy second-hand, borrow the game, but don't support this practice or else it will infest all future games.
Now I don't believe that they decided to do away with the Online Pass simply due to player feedback. I believe they crunched the numbers, took into effect the bad press from it, and being the worst company of all times decided it wasn't worth the little profit they gained. Perhaps it was their plan all along to get rid of it but instead make all their games have mandatory always-online bullshit.
Either way, they since they have said this themselves, they set precedent that feedback can affect their decisions. So it's important to keep letting them know that this always-online system is not gonna fly. I don't understand why they didn't learn from that Sim City debacle. Someone phone Peter Moore of EA and drop truth bombs on 'im. There is no good reason to not include an offline mode. Rent, buy second-hand, borrow the game, but don't support this practice or else it will infest all future games.
Neuromancer
Member
Oh yeah that's another negative to add to the list. I am fairly sure there's no wheel support otherwise they would have mentioned it by now.
brotkasten
Member
Just because you're always online, it doesn't mean the game, EA's servers or the PSN/XBL servers are.
Servers overloaded at launch?
You can't play the game.
Servers under maintenance?
You can't play the game.
Servers getting attacked by script kiddies during the holidays?
You can't play the game.
Should the servers go down in the middle of your game session?
You most likely will get booted to the title screen.
And you really still don't see the issue?
Eh, as someone who has dealt with all of these issues in MMOs I can honestly say that they are incredibly minor issues to me. I just can't get that upset over having a few instances of not being able to play a specific game. I think Destiny is proof that a very large number of people have the same feel that I do. I agree that they need to do a better job of explaining why the game is always online, but the fact that it is just doesn't bother me at all.
brotkasten
Member
The games you mentioned are all online games and I suppose it's sort of expected that these things can happen there. Destiny doesn't offer a SP modus, either. When you say that EA needs to do a better job explaining always-online for this game, I can tell you that they can't. Why? Because there's not a single good reason why this game has to be always-online. This FAQ even mentions a single-player mode with AI drivers. So why would I have to deal with the server issues I mentioned with this particular game? There's absolutely no excuse for it on a $60 SP game. To me it would be like requiring an always-online connection for a movie, just so it can show you Twitter reactions after certain scenes during the movie (please excuse the terrible analogy, but this is the best I can come up with this morning).
And the reactions show that most people here are not okay with always-online, if there's no need for it.
Or Fabricated Avoiding Questions.
English isn't my mother tongue but "twice than" sounds awful to me. Is this proper language?
Laughing Banana
Weeping Pickle
Man the persistent necessity to be online kills this one for me :/
Too bad since the game looks so slick.
Too bad since the game looks so slick.
JumPeRJumPzZ
Banned
I hope the Beta is going to impress me... so far im not on board.
Gamezone
Gold Member
The game wouldn`t be a massive multiplayer online game without always online. That`s something everyone would expect. When you buy Need for Speed in order to play single player with AI, you don`t expect the game to require this garbage. Stop comparing those.
When did I compare them? I said that MMOs are where I have experienced the issues that come with always online, and that those issues really don't bother me. Like I said, EA does need a better explanation/reason of why online is required, but I don't have a problem with it either way personally.
It's 'twice the' (not 'twice than') which yes, is standard and not uncommon.
Maybe you will when you get older. Perhaps at some point you'll feel that revisiting the movies, music and games that were created when you were young or perhaps even before, would be something of value to you or perhaps your children. Of course by then it could be too late. The servers were killed years ago and maybe it's impossible to get the game working without them, assuming someone bothered to perserve it at all. Now with MMOs there's often a reason for games being online, but in this instance they haven't explained why it's needed, like you mention..
Stallion Dan
Member
No microtransactions on release, then patching them later is EA's new thing. That way they avoid the backlash, get sales, then try and milk it for all it is worth.
See PvZ:GW, BF4 etc
See PvZ:GW, BF4 etc
Yes, that's bad English. It should be "twice the amount as X", not "than".
Way too make baseless assumptions there. Apparently only youngsters are allowed to be okay with always online games. I wouldn't be surprised if I revisit older games more than most of the people in these NFS threads that complain about the servers being shut down.
Nostremitus
Member
Then you should know the importance of not tying something to an online server, unless it's absolutely necessary and yet you say you don't have a problem either way.
MMaRsu
Member
Good so you dont care at all about fellow gamers please move on
Gamezone
Gold Member
I don`t like Need for Speed that much, but if they manage to pull of always online this time, there is no stopping them from doing it in future single player games as well. Isn`t this their first attempt to implement always online in a single player game since Sim City?
MMaRsu
Member
Pretty much if this sells well its sets a very dangerous precedent. Sadly people either dont or wont care
scoobidoo112
Member
A game that isn't exclusively online should keep functioning regardless of what the servers are up to. Basically once EA takes the servers down, which they do very often and quickly for their games, your purchase is now worthless.
I will never support such practices. I hope EA changes it before the game's release.
I will never support such practices. I hope EA changes it before the game's release.
Bauer Action Hour
Member
Welcome to games as a service and say goodbye to ownership. Rent for 18-24 months then never have the ability to play it again once the servers are shut down.
Great deal, where do I sign up?
Great deal, where do I sign up?
Gamezone
Gold Member
You don`t.
yep got a lot of corrupted saves just because of "server maintnance", while playing fuc*ing vs AI races
Neuromancer
Member
First I've heard of this issue and that's ridiculous. Mostly I just ran into host migration timeouts, until I eventually did offline mode.
double jump
you haven't lived until a random little kid ask you "how do you make love".
How EA going to claim they listening to feedback but the reaction to always online has been negative since the beginning and it's still in the game ?
FOH EA.
FOH EA.
Methamatics101
Member
I still don't understand the reasoning behind this any of this. Just can't wrap my head around it. ''Committed to being a live service''? Umm, okay. Absolutely laughable. Just let me play it without having to worry about your shitty servers.
Gamezone
Gold Member
I still don't understand the reasoning behind this any of this. Just can't wrap my head around it. ''Committed to being a live service''? Umm, okay. Absolutely laughable. Just let me play it without having to worry about your shitty servers.
My bet: Always online DRM because they are releasing it on PC as well.
which sounds quite strange especially when on PC they use DRM combo of Origin and Denuvo - which takes the crackers months to take down. And its online-only on consoles aswell and neither of new consoles is hacked yet
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