Don't all three of those games have some sort of a romance feature?
They are also easily accessible in term of price and platform.
Don't all three of those games have some sort of a romance feature?
Do people need to be reminded again that this was going to be a popularity contest? Unless you want a top 10 list to be kept objective you would need to keep it to RPG experts.
yea, it's a pop contest. i'm sure most people in here haven't even finished 10 RPG.
awakening is no more than a good entry level srpg with flat maps. play the other FE and revote P3/4 are better, but try playing through the main series first and try the other spinoffs like digital devil saga and devil summoner. much better. they didn't have an anime to support them, that is their biggest downfall.
yea, it's a pop contest. i'm sure most people in here haven't even finished 10 RPG.
awakening is no more than a good entry level srpg with flat maps. play the other FE and revote P3/4 are better, but try playing through the main series first and try the other spinoffs like digital devil saga and devil summoner. much better. they didn't have an anime to support them, that is their biggest downfall.
oh, it is elitist. that's the conclusion i get while monitoring these listwars. no need to get upset at results, when it's clear the pop contest always comes out at the end. be cautious if you see a list full of new games. it's more fun to check individual lists anyway.
hint: i'm not upset. just trying to explain.
Maybe if those otherwise lovely banners in the OP didn't include the arrows for yearly change people would focus less on the ordering (who am I kidding, of course people would still focus on it).
Since I didn't vote I can't really complain but I find the total lack of Ultima 7 a bit disturbing.
Since I didn't vote I can't really complain but I find the total lack of Ultima 7 a bit disturbing.
How is Suikoden 2 not in the Top 25? Feels like I saw it in a crapload of people's top 10 lists.
I think it's fantastic that Poke'mon is getting the boot. Always found the games to be very mediocre.
It's disappointing that no mainline Megaten did. III and IV are both some of the best games the genre has to offer.
well as others have told me this is a console centric board and most are pretty young, so i assume no one really played that. ¯\_(ツ_/¯
we're at top 25 now and still no elder scrolls. not even skyrim. interesting.
How is Suikoden 2 not in the Top 25? Feels like I saw it in a crapload of people's top 10 lists.
The Suikoden series was never that popular and three great games (2, 3, 5) are competing for the same points.
I did.I don't think there is anyone who would place 3 or 5 above 2
I put 5 on my list, though it was really hard to decide between that and 2.I did.
I played through the original on PS2 in 2012, experiencing the entire second half of the game for the first time, and it's one of my honorable mentions. I think it still holds up really well.I'd claim it's because of (FFX's) HD remake. Nostalgia met with reality.
There are multiple people in this thread who did just that. I definitely saw at least one vote for 3 in a list that didn't even mention 2.I don't think there is anyone who would place (Suikoden) 3 or 5 above 2
I checked over your personal list of games, and it is full of many of my all time favourites. However, I can see why titles like Panzer Dragoon Saga, Lunar:SSSC, and Valkyrie Profile have trouble getting votes. 1) they are 15-20 years old, and 2) they aren't that easy to get a hold of. If you wanted to play Panzer Dragoon Saga, and could get past the really dated visuals, you are looking at a $175-200 investment or piracy.
I am hoping that Suikoden 2 starts to receive more love now that it is available on PSN.
I don't think there is anyone who would place 3 or 5 above 2
What I find concerning isn't just the overall ranking, it is the fact that it seems to be getting worse, not better.
Yeah, GAF is console-centric, and yeah, many people are younger, but these are only explanations for the result, they don't make it any better a list of "essential" RPGs.
What I find concerning isn't just the overall ranking, it is the fact that it seems to be getting worse, not better.
Yeah, GAF is console-centric, and yeah, many people are younger, but these are only explanations for the result, they don't make it any better a list of "essential" RPGs.
It isn't a matter of the list being right or wrong, it is more right for some than others. What is essential for you isn't necessarily essential for someone else. A list of essential RPGs made by someone who has played them for decades is not going to offer so much for an average gamer, or an average Gaffer.
A very simple example, just by looking in the top 20, is that we now have 2 Persona games and 2 Mass Effect games in there.I know you explained it before but do you mind letting me know how it's getting worse specifically?
A very simple example, just by looking in the top 20, is that we now have 2 Persona games and 2 Mass Effect games in there.
Regardless of what any of us thinks of their quality, having 2 times 2 representatives of extremely similar styles that close to the top clearly reduces the viability of the list as a representation of the entire RPG genre.
Look at the bright side. Young and naive gamers like us may get some exposure to CRPGs thanks to this thread. Seeing those games so highly rated despite GAF userbase has me interested. I'll probably check them when I get a PC this year.
A very simple example, just by looking in the top 20, is that we now have 2 Persona games and 2 Mass Effect games in there.
Regardless of what any of us thinks of their quality, having 2 times 2 representatives of extremely similar styles that close to the top clearly reduces the viability of the list as a representation of the entire RPG genre.
The problem is that then it becomes a popularity contest rather than an essential list. The essential list is a culmination of the RPG gamers on GAF who create a legacy of what they have played and acts somewhat as a recommendation to those who have not played it.
Regardless of what any of us thinks of their quality, having 2 times 2 representatives of extremely similar styles that close to the top clearly reduces the viability of the list as a representation of the entire RPG genre.
Also 2 Souls games.
I don't think it would increase the list's usefulness if those who are less into RPGs are supposed to just shut up while being told what they're supposed to like by 'experts'. Less experienced RPG gamers (read: most people on this forum) are not going to like the same stuff as the experienced ones.
This is not what I'm saying
A very simple example, just by looking in the top 20, is that we now have 2 Persona games and 2 Mass Effect games in there.
Regardless of what any of us thinks of their quality, having 2 times 2 representatives of extremely similar styles that close to the top clearly reduces the viability of the list as a representation of the entire RPG genre.
I think it's just the nature of this poll that there's going to be some weird churn from year to year and a significant bias toward recent games. And that's before we even take into account the voting population's bias toward consoles, which probably increased since 2012-2013. PST and BG2 both dropped four spots from the last vote. But I agree with you that like titles cluttering the top 25 can be frustrating if you're looking for a list that represents the diversity of the genre.
On the bright side, time may sometimes reveal which titles have enduring appeal and which were only popular for a time. I can think of at least one change this year that is likely to make hardcore RPG fans happy.
Just for fun, if we drop the all but the highest-ranked game from any series, the list (so far) looks like this:
1. Chrono Trigger
2. Persona 4
3. Dark Souls
4. Final Fantasy 6
5. Xenoblade
6. Mass Effect
7. Fire Emblem: Awakening
8. Planescape: Torment
9. Fallout: New Vegas
10. Baldur's Gate 2
11. Paper Mario: The Thousand Year Door
12. Earthbound
13. Final Fantasy Tactics (counting this as separate from mainline FF)
14. The Witcher 2
15. Shin Megami Tensei 3: Nocturne
16. Vampire: The Masquerade: Bloodlines
17. Divinity: Original Sin
18. Pokemon Gold/Silver