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Netanyahu Claims It Was the Palestinians Who Convinced Hitler to Exterminate Jews

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Chariot

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Zvonimir Boban said:
Except this viewpoint is founded on the idea that Muslim nations are:

A) Homogeneous

B) Bad/Not to be trusted

therefore we in the west should make friends with anyone in the region who isn't Muslim because they're the good guys by default.

Which is bullshit to anyone with half a brain.
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Yeah. That's not my viewpoint of Israel, that's my viewpoint on the viewpoint of the US on Israel. I mean, that's what it is, that's why the USA actively protects the currently villainous state of Israel.
 
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Sounds like Netanyahu is embracing Hitler like tactics for dealing with the Palestinians. You round them up, put them in their own neighborhoods. You slowly take more and more land from them, killing those who fight back. Then you create a narrative history of why the Palestinians are so evil to justify your own final solution. And the world stands by and watches.

Isreal does have the right to defend itself. But it does not have the right to create and apartheid state, while slowly taking away land that is not theirs in the name of "defense".
 
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zer0blivion said:
Yup.
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The UNHRC is a cesspool of bias and corruption. The same UNHRC that has 66 resolutions against Israel, but 55 against the entire world combined. The conflict is bad and Palestinians are suffering no doubt, but the disproportionate bias against Israel is at the expense of real human tragedies that are occurring daily in the world.

This is the same council that expressed "concern" about Sudan and won't even discuss Darfur.

Even Ban Ki-moon issued a statement that read: "The Secretary-General is disappointed at the council's decision to single out only one specific regional item given the range and scope of allegations of human rights violations throughout the world."

But since the Saudis now chair the department that appoints investigators, I'm sure it will be fair and balanced now.
 
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Jag said:
The UNHRC is a cesspool of bias and corruption. The same UNHRC that has 66 resolutions against Israel, but 55 against the entire world combined. The conflict is bad and Palestinians are suffering no doubt, but the disproportionate bias against Israel is at the expense of real human tragedies that are occurring daily in the world.
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Considering how often Israel likes to take the moral high ground and pretend it's a fair and democratic country unlike its neighbors it should be held up to more scrutiny.
 
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Corronchilejano

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Jag said:
The UNHRC is a cesspool of bias and corruption. The same UNHRC that has 66 resolutions against Israel, but 55 against the entire world combined. The conflict is bad and Palestinians are suffering no doubt, but the disproportionate bias against Israel is at the expense of real human tragedies that are occurring daily in the world.

This is the same council that expressed "concern" about Sudan and won't even discuss Darfur.

Even Ban Ki-moon issued a statement that read: "The Secretary-General is disappointed at the council's decision to single out only one specific regional item given the range and scope of allegations of human rights violations throughout the world."

But since the Saudis now chair the department that appoints investigators, I'm sure it will be fair and balanced now.
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I don't think there's another case of state sanctioned apartheid anywhere else in the planet right now.
 
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Jag said:
The UNHRC is a cesspool of bias and corruption. The same UNHRC that has 66 resolutions against Israel, but 55 against the entire world combined. The conflict is bad and Palestinians are suffering no doubt, but the disproportionate bias against Israel is at the expense of real human tragedies that are occurring daily in the world.

This is the same council that expressed "concern" about Sudan and won't even discuss Darfur.

Even Ban Ki-moon issued a statement that read: "The Secretary-General is disappointed at the council's decision to single out only one specific regional item given the range and scope of allegations of human rights violations throughout the world."

But since the Saudis now chair the department that appoints investigators, I'm sure it will be fair and balanced now.
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There are a lot of first world liberal democracies that voted yes to that motion(Estonia, France, Germany, Ireland, Japan, Netherlands, Portugal, Korea, UK) which gives credibility to the vote.

Claiming that the UNHRC is corrupt and biased is a common Israeli tactic to delegitimize the motion being voted on.
 
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Jag

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GSG Flash said:
Claiming that the UNHRC is corrupt and biased is a common Israeli tactic to delegitimize the motion being voted on.
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No, looking at the voting record of the UNHRC makes it abundantly clear it is being used as a political tool for nations to avoid having their own human rights records criticized. I'm sure Sudan, Iran and Saudi (all members), aren't going to have their issues brought up.

If you can honestly say that Israel is the absolute single worst violator of human rights in existence today by a large margin over any other country in the world, then maybe, maybe the UNHRC has some legitimacy.
 
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Jag said:
No, looking at the voting record of the UNHRC makes it abundantly clear it is being used as a political tool for nations to avoid having their own human rights records criticized. I'm sure Sudan, Iran and Saudi (all members), aren't going to have their issues brought up.

If you can honestly say that Israel is the absolute single worst violator of human rights in existence today by a large margin over any other country in the world, then maybe, maybe the UNHRC has some legitimacy.
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Your whole argument is nothing more than whataboutism which is a common Zionist tactic.
 
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Coriolanus

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That the UNHRC focuses more on Israel than on the rest doesn't mean that Israel doesn't deserve all the heat it gets. All it means is that the HRC should also focus on other issues as much, if not more, than it focuses on Israel.

Neither sez anything about the legitimacy of the council. The argument holds no value as a reason to dismiss it.
 
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Azih

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Plus Israel keeps constantly expanding settlements. Constant violations lead to frequent resolutions. The problem at the root is the constant violations (stop expanding settlements. Srsly).
 
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pgtl_10 said:
Your whole argument is nothing more than whataboutism which is a common Zionist tactic.
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And saying whataboutism is a common tactic anytime someone mentions a possible bias against Israel. And I'm not a Zionist, just someone who is willing to look at both sides of an argument.
 
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Coriolanus

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Jag said:
And saying whataboutism is a common tactic anytime someone mentions a possible bias against Israel. And I'm not a Zionist, just someone who is willing to look at both sides of an argument.
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Pointing out a logical fallacy is perfectly fair game. One does not get to complain simply because the other pointed out that your argument makes no sense when it, in fact, does not make any sense..
 
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Discoid said:
Can someone please explain this shit to me btw? I think I've asked on GAF before but don't remember being answered. I don't want to be biased on the topic just because I'm Arab and know a lot of Palestinians, but I'm seriously perplexed by it. WHY is America Israel's bitch all the time? What do they offer us?
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In addition to what has been said, I figured Israel's stance on general social issues plays a factor. Gay rights, freedom of expression/the press, etc. Even with the shitty apartheid going on, Israel still ranks higher on the democracy index than every other middle eastern nation, some by a long shot. As far as most values go, it's still very much a developed first world nation comparable to much of Europe and North America. America would rather have them as an ally than developing nations with values seen as incompatible.

But at the same time, there's Saudi Arabia, which is near the bottom of the democracy index, so I could be way off base here.
 
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ultratruman

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Excuse the bump. This is an interesting article challenging Ben Carson's and Benjamin Netanyahu's claims just written by esteemed holocaust historian, Christopher Browning:

In recent decades, public consciousness of the Holocaust has increased exponentially. One unfortunate by-product of this otherwise salutary development has been the increased temptation for politicians to exploit references to Hitler, Nazism, and the Holocaust to stigmatize their opponents. Political exploitation of the Holocaust says much about the people who do it and their agendas, but very little about historical reality.

In one recent case, brain surgeon-turned-Republican presidential candidate Ben Carson alleged that without the Nazi gun law of 1938, German Jews would have been able to offer meaningful resistance against the Holocaust. This ignored the simple fact that the well-armed Polish and French armies were unable to resist German power. But moreover, it is absurd to think that a few more pistols or hunting guns in the hands of German Jews — by then a population predominately old and female — would have changed their fate.

As of this week, Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu has undertaken an even more blatantly mendacious attempt to exploit the Holocaust politically. In a speech to the World Zionist Congress, Netanyahu claimed that at the time of the meeting between Hitler and Haj Amin al-Husseini, the grand mufti of Jerusalem, on Nov. 28, 1941, the former was still in favor of expelling Jews and the latter opposed this because the expelled Jews would come to Palestine. Instead, according to Netanyahu’s version of history, the mufti urged Hitler to “burn” them, thus becoming the prime instigator of the Final Solution. The Netanyahu account of this meeting is an historical fabrication, or more simply a lie.
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http://foreignpolicy.com/2015/10/22/a-lesson-for-netanyahu-from-a-real-holocaust-historian/
 
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emag said:
In related news, at the Aida camp in which Palestinians are concentrated, the Israeli army broadcast the following message over loudspeakers: "We are the occupation forces... we will hit you with gas until you all die. The children, the youth, the old people - you will all die. We won't leave any of you alive."

http://www.timesofisrael.com/border-cop-suspended-for-threatening-to-gas-palestinians/
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As much as I am opposed to the state of Israel, don't share half truths. According to the article it wasn't the Israeli Army, it was a some single border cop who was suspended for this bullshit.
 
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nampad

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They way Israel is dealing with the Palestinians is really bad. No surprise, with someone this stupid at their top.

But no one in the western world with some power dares to say anything because they will be called a antisemite right away.
 
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funkypie

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A few armed Jews against a professional army wouldn't have stood a chance and probably would have caused more support for the nazis if anything.

If these people believe an armed us population protects them for tyranny are living in a fantasy world. Us military would wipeout these rednecks in minutes.
 
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