Netanyahu: World has no "moral right" to stop Israel from attacking Iran
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Phantast2k
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You mean Syria though.
Heh, that's pretty cool. But I thought the Israelis are generally protesting vs. bad economy (rising prices etc.) or is it more focused on the current gov?
CIA also trained and financed the Taliban (although they weren't called that at the time). Every government has financed proxy groups to carry out attacks.
TacticalFox88
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Israel would likely get rapestomped without US support. Fighters can't even reach Iran without refueling.
PhoenixDark
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Obama refusing to greet Netanyahu during his upcoming US trip. Wow
http://www.haaretz.com/news/diploma...u-request-to-meet-with-obama.premium-1.464328
Phantast2k
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I am aware.
Also Germany hid Lenin and secretly smuggled him to Russia to instigate a revolution to get Russia out of the WW1.
shinobi602
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There is not real credible opposition in Israel at the moment, but a lot of the anger is directed toward Netnayahu and the finance minister (who also happens to be a giant fucking idiot).
And whenever there is any sort of unrest or bad economic news, you always start seeing people talking about Iran and the impending holocaust they're going to bring down on Israel.
I would've call it comical, but I'm not certain the current leaders in either side are smart enough to make sure it doesn't deteriorate into an all out war (though I still don't think Israel is going to attack).
JzeroT1437
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Israel just keeps consuming Palestine and baiting developed countries to attack it.
Given its founding, it's ironic how the country's politics have turned out.
Given its founding, it's ironic how the country's politics have turned out.
Freezie KO
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Discourse on GAF. Israel is a comic book villain.
CharlieDigital
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Citation?
I thought the only reason Israel hasn't already attacked already is that the only way they can attack without refueling (would require US involvement) is over SA, which won't let them.
NihonTiger90
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Campaign plus debate prep if it's end of the month. First debate is on Oct. 3, but I dunno what dates Netanyahu will be at the UN.
PhoenixDark
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Might have something to do with Bibi openly and blatantly attacking the US government today
He has no interest in going through Boehnor/Cantor all over again.
Hardly. Amount of FUD about Iran is overwhelming in media.
Reality is today Iran is better democracy than Israel now with people and minorities being more free. Most of anti-iran forces fear them because they are actively trying to be independent from mayor players like USA and Russia and since their new goverment overthrown dictatorship created by US-UK, most of mayor players can't believe they don't control their oil.
I i was in shoes of Iran i would actively seek creation of n bomb. It would be like big sign: Fuck off and it would be actually effective (look at Pakistan)
NullPointer
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Pretty much. I'm not about to listen to a lesson on morals from Israel's leadership.
We'd be greeted as liberators.
This too.
One post from one guy does not constitute a discourse.
shinobi602
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There were reports that they actually provided Israel with fuel for its jets during the 2006 Lebanon war. I don't see this as that far fetched. KSA and Israel have been dealing under the table for a while now.
I know. It's almost like Iran has made threating comments about the state of Israel and refuses to have normal relations with them too.
LegendofJoe
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Most of the people I know in the military expect Israel to attack Iran's nuclear facilities sometime in the near future (i.e. this year). There is nothing I want less in this world than another war in the Middle East, but there isn't anything I can do about it. When are people going to finally wise up?
djplaeskool
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He needs to cool down a bit.
He really assaulted the US verbally on this and just seems to be trying to bait the US into action it doesn't need to take at the moment.
bodyofanamerican
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CIA: Operation Ajax made me look at Iran in a whole new, tragic, unfortunate light. Ugh.
BrokenEchelon
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Attack them all you like.
Just don't waste American resources doing so.
Just don't waste American resources doing so.
chaostrophy
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Bibi is being a petulant child. It's for the best that the adults of the world give him a time out.
TacticalFox88
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They won't attack, because Israel knows they'd fail spectacularly without the US.
Neko Mimi Mode
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He has a right to be concerned. Sanctions and talks are doing nothing to halt Iran's onward march towards a nuclear weapon capability.
Or maybe as the Prime Minister of Israel he has grounds for legitimate concern beyond Obama getting reelected, just a thought.
Or maybe as the Prime Minister of Israel he has grounds for legitimate concern beyond Obama getting reelected, just a thought.
CharlieDigital
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I can't imagine that he can't meet with him for like, 1-2 hours.
Doesn't mean you don't talk to the other side.
That assumes that war will halt that march when most analysis points to a delay by a period of 2-10 years. Unless the proposal is that we simply attack and then occupy Iran for a decade, plus.............
What pisses me off about the saber rattling with Iran is that it's not like North Korea where there's little or no opposition. The Green Movement showed the world that there is a huge progressive movement in Iran driven by the youth. It would be a shame to stop that momentum by giving them an actual enemy to fight against.
BrokenEchelon
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What are you talking about? The US-Israel alliance is one of mutual benefit and---
I'm sorry. I couldn't finish that without laughing my ass off.
I don't want to get into "who is worse" arguments, it's kinda pointless, but the point is that Iran doesn't really have an territorial dispute with Israel.
They're using Israel as a way to unite the country against a common enemy (which is why they talk much more than they actually do shit about it).
This has been throughout history a staple of regimes facing popular opposition, like Iran faced in the wake of the '09 elections.
No doubt.
And as someone who think that nuclear proliferation is a bad thing, it saddened me that we effectively created a system that incentivize nuclear development (fuck you neocons).
They won't attack because the only way Bibi loses an election is through a failed attack on Iran.
And that idiot only care about winning elections.
But since he campaigned on stopping the Iranian bomb, he has to at least talk like he's serious.
NullPointer
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Telephones exist.
PhoenixDark
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If there were no political consequences, nothing would please me more than having the US completely reject any aide to Israel with respect to Iran. If they want to attack and get shitcanned, let them.
astroturfing
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yeah ok how is it obvious? their most highest leader thinks nuclear weapons are evil... and just because us westerners have been subjected to a powerfully effective demonization of Iran, doesn't mean that they are crazies who just want to massacre Jews (after all they have their own Jewish minority, and a Jewish representative in their parliament).
what i think though is that Iran is developing nuclear technology to the point where nuclear weapons become an option, that they can quickly pursue if they feel the need. like i dunno, maybe if someone were to threaten to invade their country.
but anyway, even if Iran DID develop nuclear weapons, they aren't any more likely to actually use them than anyone else. even the US' Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff said Iran is a "rational actor". well, again, unless they feared their whole existance as a sovereign state was under threat.. then i guess using nukes might be something they'd do, as pretty much any nation would.
speculawyer
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Rampant anti-semitism? They are represented in government WAY OVER their population percentage. It is pro-semitism. Here is this little country that gets money from us for their military telling us what we can and cannot do.
Neko Mimi Mode
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Certainly, but sanctions are doing nothing and Iran simply aren't playing ball. That and there really is no equivalent arab spring going on. ayatollah khomeini isn't about to be dethroned in the name of free and equal democracy any time soon.
Here is this little 70% of the US population that supports Israel telling you what you can and can't do. That's how democracies work.
CharlieDigital
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Well, honestly, I feel that if Nety is reaching out to Obama, he is more likely seeking some sort of compromise or middle ground. Specifically:
The Article said:
It would seem to indicate that Nety is potentially looking for an exit from the brink.
If you agree that war will not stop the march to a nuclear arsenal, then why bother throwing billions of dollars into a war that would result in the deaths of who knows how many civilians and soldiers?
TacticalFox88
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It's also ironic that Iran has the largest Jewish population in the ME, with the sole exception, obviously, being Israel.
This about sums it up. Sure, Israel does some deplorable shit, but Iran with nuclear weapons is no good for anyone in the Western world (for the above reasons), period. Mutually assured destruction does nothing for anyone.
Uhh... not sure if serious? Try being a woman or homosexual in Iran then try it in Israel. I don't think anyone would disagree with your other points (especially control of oil) but to suggest that Iran is a better democracy than Israel... really???
NullPointer
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You have a far more optimistic view of Bibi's intentions than I do.
Neko Mimi Mode
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It would be a disaster to go to war with Iran;
1. Israel's (pretty healthy at +4% growth) economy would dive and take years to recover.
2. Loss of life from soldiers and civilians is inevitable.
3. Condemnation from Western nations, colder still relations with arab nations.
All of these things though aren't a patch on the possibilities of Iran getting nukes. Bottom line is that sanctions aren't working. What is Israel to do? Do you think the Saudis are going to let Iran get nukes? This shit has to stop.
LegendofJoe
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If Netanyahu truly thinks the US public would get behind anything more than a modest use of our resources in a miliary strike on Iran he needs new political advisors. This country would explode in revolt if we did anything more, and rightly so.
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